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Barrabás
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Rev wrote: zwackerm wrote: However, Mackie may have been the wrong choice. Why? Because he's ugly and has the charisma of a rubber duck. A billion dollar franchise requires you to appeal to everybody, and most people have a very specific kind of actor they are going to want to watch in these kinds of dumb 'hero' roles: classically handsome, with swagger, a cool hot guy that guys want to be and women want to be with. Anthony Mackie is not that, he is a sidekick actor. Not franchise-leading main guy. Just look at him next to Chris Evans. It has nothing to do with race btw. There are leading man black actors, like Denzel Washington or Jamie Fox. And there are white sidekick actors, like Sebastian Stan. Some people just don't have the vibe and facial structure to be action franchise leading men. We shall see if the box office proves me right or wrong.
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Algren
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I could not have put it better.
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Thegun
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Ah racism at its finest. I can’t even deny Mackie is good looking and has probably the most charismatic African actor since will smith. He kills it on press tours every time.
His biggest problem the show was shit and after poignant ending in endgame he just gave up Captain America. The series was pointless.except to set up this and thunderbolts. Ford helps as has the first trailer. So if this can do Winter Soldier numbers I think it'll be fine
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Algren
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It's not racism, it's based on years of proof. Mackie has been around for two decades and he's still not a star in his own right able to carry a movie, let alone a big franchise movie like this with an iconic character.
Calling it racism is a pathetic and weak way to try and nullify any opposing view you dislike.
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Barrabás
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Thegun wrote: Ah racism at its finest. I can’t even deny Mackie is good looking and has probably the most charismatic African actor since will smith. He kills it on press tours every time.
His biggest problem the show was shit and after poignant ending in endgame he just gave up Captain America. The series was pointless.except to set up this and thunderbolts. Ford helps as has the first trailer. So if this can do Winter Soldier numbers I think it'll be fine Lol please be serious. "The most charismatic African actor since Will Smith" is insane. Also lol at 'African'. He is not African he is a black American. If you are going to accuse me of racism try not to do it yourself lol.
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Shack
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They always push handsome black actors and they bleed together. Where’s this generation’s Forest Whitaker.
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Keyser Söze
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Chadwick Boseman was the most charismatic of them. He sadly passed away. Michael Jordan is very good as well.
Outside young actors, Denzel still rocks and Morgan Freeman/Samuel Jackson/Jamie Foxx are all great.
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Flava'd vs The World
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John Boyega obviously made bank from the sequel trilogy but Im surprised he never became much of anything else. Was so good in Attack The Block.
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Algren
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: John Boyega obviously made bank from the sequel trilogy but Im surprised he never became much of anything else. Was so good in Attack The Block. He's ugly as fuck, though.
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zwackerm
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Reported 350m budget!!!!!
Can’t wait to see what Snow White cost.
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I've read the budget is as high as $400M. It's had at least 3 massive reshoots.
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zwackerm
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O wrote: I've read the budget is as high as $400M. It's had at least 3 massive reshoots. What a waste. Why spend so much on reshoots when it basically is impossible for it to break even.
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MadGez
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zwackerm wrote: O wrote: I've read the budget is as high as $400M. It's had at least 3 massive reshoots. What a waste. Why spend so much on reshoots when it basically is impossible for it to break even. Most likely to save face and not further damage the MCU reputation and thus the box office of subsequent films.
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zwackerm
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MadGez wrote: zwackerm wrote: O wrote: I've read the budget is as high as $400M. It's had at least 3 massive reshoots. What a waste. Why spend so much on reshoots when it basically is impossible for it to break even. Most likely to save face and not further damage the MCU reputation and thus the box office of subsequent films. Seems like a huge gamble as reportedly the reshoots haven’t helped much.
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Keyser Söze
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Presales are starting next week(17th according to Charlie). We will know once that happens if its a breakout or another Marvels.
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Barrabás
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Not a $400M budget for a film no one wanted in the first place
I feel like Marvel Studios is money laundering at this point. Don't they have Israeli arms investors or something? Someone should look into it.
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Shack
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I'm assuming they want him established for the Avengers but they've got to draw a line at 300 million.
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zwackerm
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Let us know how the presales are!
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Keyser Söze
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Presales have just started at 6AM PST and it has started well. Definitely not Marvels. No comps for now. End of day I would know.
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Keyser Söze
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Thinking around 10m ish previews and high 60s OW for now based on OD presales. Solid but not great. Doing well in NYC. Sales are skewing very big coastal cities and of course Disney Springs in Orlando.
OW could go higher if they can up the ante in marketing and let the social media reactions drive presales. But if the movie sucks then it could go lower.
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Shack
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If it had a worse release date it could have bombed but with January being pretty dead surely people have to go to something resembling an event film.
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Flava'd vs The World
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They've basically just switched the marketing to build up the fight with Red Hulk ... and its not the worst idea. At least people know theres something worth travelling to the cinema for even if they don't care about the character of Sam Wilson.
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MadGez
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$90m 4-day, $200m finish. Pending quality.
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Thegun
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Are they going to market during the Super Bowl? Coming out right after might tip it from solid to big.
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Keyser Söze
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Presales are good. I think even 100m over 4 day weekend is in play unless it has Antman 3 level of reviews.
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