The 'Lost' Thread (Season 3)
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Jedi Master Carr
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Okay, now I finally caught up with you, folks and gotta say that the last two episodes were fantastic. First the face-off between Sawyer and Anthony Cooper - intense and well played-out and the whole Ben episode. The flashbacks were sadly not AS informative as I had hoped, but I really expect more to come on Hanzo and Dharma.
Now Jacob..I really don't know what to think about him. It seems like the show has crossed over from sci-fi to Twin Peaks-style bona fide mystery. Really no idea what to think about Jacob, but as some have said, I do see a connection to the Monster.
And like Archie has said, Locke is quite certainly not dead. They would have shown that clearly if he had died. I mean, Ben did not shoot him again, despite the theats and the healing powers of the island that already helped Locke once will kick in again probably. Next episode, someone's likely gonna die, though (probably Charlie).
And yeah, the never-aging Richard creeps me out. I am just wondering if that was deliberate or whether their make-up department simply sucks.
In any case, the last episode was pretty much as good as ever and qualifies as the best episode of the season. Bring on the finale!
I think it is very likely that Locke will survive but at the same time I think Ben figured he was dead. I think he didn't shoot him again because he thought there was no way he survive and wanted him to die that way, instead of shooting him again.
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Mister Ecks
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So, what did Loyal think of the episode?
I would think that invisible man and ageless dude would equal disappointment from Loyal.
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Fri May 11, 2007 2:23 pm |
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MGKC
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andaroo.temp wrote: MG Casey wrote: andaroo.temp wrote: Didn't he just get grazed. HE GOT SHOT. HE ALMOST DIED. No. He just got grazed.  Go watch DVD 
My point was Locke will survive everything.
Getting grazed by a bullet = serious business.
Making out of an exploding hatch without losing clothes or limbs = serious mystery
Avoids dynamite explosion narrowly = lets Artz take the blow
Almost getting sucked down Monster Chain Hole = shoulda died there.
Crushed by giant Hatch doors = is able to walk a week later
Fell out a 10-story window = fun stuff
Survived attempted murder by Boone = knife to throat ain't fun
Avoided death bees with Charlie = NO STINGS
Gets stabbed in leg by Innovative Hatch Breaking Machine = easily could have been face
SURVIVED PLANE CRASH = and came out with BETTER health and cool scar
This bullet will be like swallowing a pill for Locke. Maybe he'll pull it out Sawyer-style.
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Fri May 11, 2007 3:13 pm |
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roo
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Some of those are way overdramatic.
He had a gun pointed at him with Shannon but he wasn't really injured.
Same with the Boone incident.
While it was dangerous to carry the dynamite, Arzt exploding didn't endanger Locke, he was watching from about 15 feet away if not more.
He said he wanted to get sucked down the hole, he believed he wasn't going to die, there's no evidence to suggest he would have.
We don't know if he got stung, he never says.
The healing is explained by the island.
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Fri May 11, 2007 8:38 pm |
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MGKC
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dude I'm only joking
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Sat May 12, 2007 2:21 am |
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roo
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MG Casey wrote: dude I'm only joking
I can't tell!
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Mister Ecks
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andaroo.temp wrote: MG Casey wrote: dude I'm only joking I can't tell!
Is that your secret? You can't tell when people are joking?
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Sat May 12, 2007 7:46 pm |
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A. G.
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Yeah ditto to the above post, about the backstory and Jack.
What's the title of the season finale episode if it's known yet?
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Mon May 14, 2007 1:50 pm |
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trixster
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Archie Gates wrote: Yeah ditto to the above post, about the backstory and Jack.
What's the title of the season finale episode if it's known yet?
"Through the Looking Glass"
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Mon May 14, 2007 2:17 pm |
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A. G.
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What's the non-spoilery take on the spoilers - good, bad, about what you expected?
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Mon May 14, 2007 3:46 pm |
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Snrub
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Archie Gates wrote: What's the non-spoilery take on the spoilers - good, bad, about what you expected?
Well, Herc's spoilers barely reveal anything, but I've just heard that...
(beware... potentially HUGE spoiler)
Everyone gets off the island.
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Mon May 14, 2007 3:50 pm |
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Snrub
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Snrub wrote: Archie Gates wrote: What's the non-spoilery take on the spoilers - good, bad, about what you expected? Well, Herc's spoilers barely reveal anything, but I've just heard that... (beware... potentially HUGE spoiler) Everyone gets off the island.I wish I didnt just highlight that.
It would certainly tie in with Herc's assertion that after the finale... (highlight)
fans will be left scratching their heads as to how the show can continue next season.
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Mon May 14, 2007 3:56 pm |
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Snrub
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loyalfromlondon wrote: maybe its a scooby doo episode where you run from room to room and end up in the same hallway.
That would piss me off something rotten... Another thing said spoiler would tie into would be Herc's claim that "We’ll be meeting new characters, not all of them in flashbacks." My guess is that they're the rescuers.
Either way, how the fuck can the show continue if they get off the island? For all its other mysteries, the biggest has always been whether they'd ever get off. If they do, what the fuck else is there?
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Mon May 14, 2007 4:12 pm |
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Shack
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I wouldn't be a fan of getting off the island... The show IS the island, come on.
But if they did, I think something will start happening to the Lostaways in the real world. Like, they'll start disappearing or some crazy shit like that.
Or, maybe the roles will be reversed. Real time is in real world, flashbacks will be of them on the island. Still crappy, but it would be nifty.
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Mon May 14, 2007 6:21 pm |
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Shack
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Oh, and I'm pretty sure:
* A long-absent regular returns. And that regular is not listed among ABC’s cast list.
Means the return of Michael or Walt. Probably not both.
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Mon May 14, 2007 6:23 pm |
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trixster
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Shack Your Booty, Love wrote: Oh, and I'm pretty sure:
* A long-absent regular returns. And that regular is not listed among ABC’s cast list.
Means the return of Michael or Walt. Probably not both.
I heard Harold Perrineau (Michael) didn't want to come back, so it's probably Walt. Aged quite a bit.
As for that ending... I don't know. I don't think they'll get off the island. What would the show be then?
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Mon May 14, 2007 7:44 pm |
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roo
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They aren't...
...getting off the island... not yet.
But a rescue boat may show up with Walt on it. Walt is the person who's back (confirmed awhile back).
Tom is one of the people who dies.
There is a gigantic rumor...
that Jack killed his own father in Australia
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Mon May 14, 2007 7:58 pm |
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roo
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BTW, the producers confirmed through podcasts that Jacob is not the center of the mystery of the remaining 2 episodes. His is a question to be dealt with in Season 4.
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Mon May 14, 2007 8:12 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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What about the four-toed statue? Will that be dealt with next season as well?
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Tue May 15, 2007 4:32 am |
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Bodrul
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big spoilers. huge if true
EP 321 CHARLIE'S FLASHBACKS Basically, this is another show where they make you think that Charlie's going to die, but then it doesn't happen. Desmond tells Charlie that he's seen a vision of Charlie's death and that this time it HAS to happen because it's going to cause another of his visions to come true -- one of Claire and her baby being rescued from the island by a helicopter. He tells Charlie that he's going to drown after turning a switch next to a yellow light in a new underwater hatch. At the same time, Sayid tells Jack that he can't get a rescue signal out on Naomi's phone because Rousseau's old distress call is blocking the signal. He tells Jack that they need to go to a radio tower to turn it off. Juliet, though, tells them that still won't get the signal out because Ben has been blocking all transmissions from the island by a jamming device on an underwater hatch called THE LOOKING GLASS. They know from Sayid's maps that the hatch is flooded. Charlie volunteers for the suicide missions to swim down there and turn off the signal. After what Desmond's told him, he now knows that this is his destiny. He swims down to the udnerwater hatch -- but it isn't flooded! He comes up in a pressurized chamber. He's overjoyed that he doesn't have to die....but discovers that there's TWO CHICKS down there (probably Others) pointing guns at him. The FLASHBACKS are the five greatest moments in Charlie's life. He saves a stranger being beaten on the street (the stranger is Nadia, Sayid's long-lost love), he shows his Dad he can swim when he's a young kid, he hears YOU ALL EVERYBODY on the radio for the first time, and his brother Liam gives him the DS ring. But his greatest moment is when he met Claire on the beach the first night after the plane crashed on the island. (He writes down these five memories and asks Desmond to give them to Claire after he's gone). The episode is just okay. Not as good as the last two, it's basically setting things up for the finale. It woudl've been better if they'd have killed Charlie in it. Now onto the finale... episode 322 FINALE "THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS" The finale is full of action, a few deaths -- and that huge twist I mentioned earlier. First, the deaths. A bunch of Others get killed when they try to raid the camp. This includes Friendly, who Sawyer shoots in cold blood -- and also the other new tough guy Other (I think his name is Price) who gets run over by Hurley in the van. And Charlie FINALLY dies. Thank god. I've always thought he was one of the weaker characters and his death has been threated in so many episodes its about time it finally happened. He unblocks the jamming signal in the underwater station but drowns when Mikhail uses a grenade to blow it up, killing them both. It's a cool death for Charlie. Maybe cooler than he deserves. Another big moment is when an old favorite of the show returns. Locke is just about to kill himself in the Dharma grave pit that he fell into after Ben shot him when he hears a voice telling him not to. He looks up to see...WALT!! Walt helps him out of the pit and then disappears. No sign of Michael, and there's no explanation about where Walt has been or what happened to him or Michael. Locke then makes it to the Radio Tower -- and gets there in time to kill Naomi just before she makes the rescue call. He throws a knife straight into her back. Jack can't understand what Locke is doing and tells him that he'll have to shoot him to stop him from making the call himself. Locke threatens to kill Jack, but then backs down. Jack makes the rescue call -- and someone on the other end answers. The story on the island ends with help on the way. Or maybe not. Ben has told Jack that Naomi and her people aren't who they say they are -- and just before he dies, Charlie sees a transmission in the underwater hatch from Desmond's Penny -- who, contrary to what Naomi has said, denies that she knows Naomi at all!! But the HUGE TWIST of the episode -- in fact, probably the huge twist of the entire series -- happens in the flashback. They start by showing that Jack is totally ****ed up. He's popping pills and suicidal. The first flashback shows him about to kill himself by jumping off a bridge -- only a car accident nearby causes him to stop, and instead of killing himself he fins himself helping the accident victims. But he keeps spiraling. He sees his ex-wife at the hospital -- she's pregnant with another man's child. He goes to a funeral of a person that we never discover, but whoever it is, his (or her) death rocks Jack hard. He steals drugs from the hospital and is caught by the new doctor in charge. And all the time, he's constantly on the phone desperately trying to contact somebody. And the last scene shows us who...he goes to meet the mystery person, and it's the last person on earth we would think...it's KATE! And it's now that we realize that for the first time in Lost history, we haven't been watching a flashback. We've been watching a FLASH-FORWARD! Yep, that's right. THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THAT JACK AND KATE MAKE IT OFF THE ISLAND. For some reason, this has been the cause of Jack's spiral. He tells Kate they have to go back to the island. She refuses and drives away. The show finishes with Jack screaming "We have to go back!!"
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Tue May 15, 2007 9:04 am |
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Renton
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Don't tease me with all these spoiler warnings  I want to read it but at the same time I really don't. I can wait another week(repeated to self at all times).
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Tue May 15, 2007 10:21 am |
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bABA
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andaroo wrote: Raffiki wrote: andaroo.temp wrote: Snrub wrote: Oh, and finally, after three long years of Dharma this and Dharma that, we find out that the Dharma initiative's got nothing to do with the Others and were all killed long ago after having seemingly achieved nothing, rendering all those mysterious Hanzo websites useless. Hooray! As far as I can see, the mysteries here did not hurt the Hanzo stuff at all. In the Hanzo videos, it is well known that Dharma, as an entity, "failed" in what it needed to do. What form it exists in right now we don't know, but obviously Ben/Hostiles have access to bring new researchers to the island, to perhaps study things not origionally intended for by Dharma. Well... the killing off of the Dharma people could not have been more than just 5 or so years ago. Ben looks almost exactly the same as he did in that last flashback. A couple issues here... 1. Richard is clearly shown not to have aged very much. 2. It's TV, and sometimes that's all make-up can do all. If part of the island is life-elongation, then I see no reason why this purge wouldn't have happened back in oh... say the 1980s.
the life elongation doesn't make sense because
a) Ben aged perfectly through adulthood (one may argue now that once you reach a level of maturity, you stop)
b) Ben's father aged as well (which dismisses the above theory)
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Tue May 15, 2007 1:20 pm |
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A. G.
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cake wrote: andaroo wrote: Raffiki wrote: andaroo.temp wrote: Snrub wrote: Oh, and finally, after three long years of Dharma this and Dharma that, we find out that the Dharma initiative's got nothing to do with the Others and were all killed long ago after having seemingly achieved nothing, rendering all those mysterious Hanzo websites useless. Hooray! As far as I can see, the mysteries here did not hurt the Hanzo stuff at all. In the Hanzo videos, it is well known that Dharma, as an entity, "failed" in what it needed to do. What form it exists in right now we don't know, but obviously Ben/Hostiles have access to bring new researchers to the island, to perhaps study things not origionally intended for by Dharma. Well... the killing off of the Dharma people could not have been more than just 5 or so years ago. Ben looks almost exactly the same as he did in that last flashback. A couple issues here... 1. Richard is clearly shown not to have aged very much. 2. It's TV, and sometimes that's all make-up can do all. If part of the island is life-elongation, then I see no reason why this purge wouldn't have happened back in oh... say the 1980s. the life elongation doesn't make sense because a) Ben aged perfectly through adulthood (one may argue now that once you reach a level of maturity, you stop) b) Ben's father aged as well (which dismisses the above theory) Yeah but it makes sense in that the island wasn't healing Ben's back as fast as it should either. I think Ben thought he'd get the benefits of the island's healing and life elongation and isn't, or not much, but Locke is and it's frustrating Ben which is a reason he shot Locke, he's envious.
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Tue May 15, 2007 1:24 pm |
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bABA
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i never said otherwise.
the one thing that they have established is that the island heals shit.
and i'm sort of glad yet disturbed at the same time that
a) season 1 was all sci fi
b) season 2 dismissed all sci fi elements and tried to make sense out of everything
c) season 3 is trying to go back to the sci fi stuff. yet its fucking confused now.
the show needs to choose a direction now. either its sci fi, or its all man made or hell, even a combination of both. but decide.
Season 3 is a million times better though, than season 2.
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Tue May 15, 2007 1:29 pm |
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Shack
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Bodrul wrote: big spoilers. huge if true
EP 321 CHARLIE'S FLASHBACKS Basically, this is another show where they make you think that Charlie's going to die, but then it doesn't happen. Desmond tells Charlie that he's seen a vision of Charlie's death and that this time it HAS to happen because it's going to cause another of his visions to come true -- one of Claire and her baby being rescued from the island by a helicopter. He tells Charlie that he's going to drown after turning a switch next to a yellow light in a new underwater hatch. At the same time, Sayid tells Jack that he can't get a rescue signal out on Naomi's phone because Rousseau's old distress call is blocking the signal. He tells Jack that they need to go to a radio tower to turn it off. Juliet, though, tells them that still won't get the signal out because Ben has been blocking all transmissions from the island by a jamming device on an underwater hatch called THE LOOKING GLASS. They know from Sayid's maps that the hatch is flooded. Charlie volunteers for the suicide missions to swim down there and turn off the signal. After what Desmond's told him, he now knows that this is his destiny. He swims down to the udnerwater hatch -- but it isn't flooded! He comes up in a pressurized chamber. He's overjoyed that he doesn't have to die....but discovers that there's TWO CHICKS down there (probably Others) pointing guns at him. The FLASHBACKS are the five greatest moments in Charlie's life. He saves a stranger being beaten on the street (the stranger is Nadia, Sayid's long-lost love), he shows his Dad he can swim when he's a young kid, he hears YOU ALL EVERYBODY on the radio for the first time, and his brother Liam gives him the DS ring. But his greatest moment is when he met Claire on the beach the first night after the plane crashed on the island. (He writes down these five memories and asks Desmond to give them to Claire after he's gone). The episode is just okay. Not as good as the last two, it's basically setting things up for the finale. It woudl've been better if they'd have killed Charlie in it. Now onto the finale... episode 322 FINALE "THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS" The finale is full of action, a few deaths -- and that huge twist I mentioned earlier. First, the deaths. A bunch of Others get killed when they try to raid the camp. This includes Friendly, who Sawyer shoots in cold blood -- and also the other new tough guy Other (I think his name is Price) who gets run over by Hurley in the van. And Charlie FINALLY dies. Thank god. I've always thought he was one of the weaker characters and his death has been threated in so many episodes its about time it finally happened. He unblocks the jamming signal in the underwater station but drowns when Mikhail uses a grenade to blow it up, killing them both. It's a cool death for Charlie. Maybe cooler than he deserves. Another big moment is when an old favorite of the show returns. Locke is just about to kill himself in the Dharma grave pit that he fell into after Ben shot him when he hears a voice telling him not to. He looks up to see...WALT!! Walt helps him out of the pit and then disappears. No sign of Michael, and there's no explanation about where Walt has been or what happened to him or Michael. Locke then makes it to the Radio Tower -- and gets there in time to kill Naomi just before she makes the rescue call. He throws a knife straight into her back. Jack can't understand what Locke is doing and tells him that he'll have to shoot him to stop him from making the call himself. Locke threatens to kill Jack, but then backs down. Jack makes the rescue call -- and someone on the other end answers. The story on the island ends with help on the way. Or maybe not. Ben has told Jack that Naomi and her people aren't who they say they are -- and just before he dies, Charlie sees a transmission in the underwater hatch from Desmond's Penny -- who, contrary to what Naomi has said, denies that she knows Naomi at all!! But the HUGE TWIST of the episode -- in fact, probably the huge twist of the entire series -- happens in the flashback. They start by showing that Jack is totally ****ed up. He's popping pills and suicidal. The first flashback shows him about to kill himself by jumping off a bridge -- only a car accident nearby causes him to stop, and instead of killing himself he fins himself helping the accident victims. But he keeps spiraling. He sees his ex-wife at the hospital -- she's pregnant with another man's child. He goes to a funeral of a person that we never discover, but whoever it is, his (or her) death rocks Jack hard. He steals drugs from the hospital and is caught by the new doctor in charge. And all the time, he's constantly on the phone desperately trying to contact somebody. And the last scene shows us who...he goes to meet the mystery person, and it's the last person on earth we would think...it's KATE! And it's now that we realize that for the first time in Lost history, we haven't been watching a flashback. We've been watching a FLASH-FORWARD! Yep, that's right. THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THAT JACK AND KATE MAKE IT OFF THE ISLAND. For some reason, this has been the cause of Jack's spiral. He tells Kate they have to go back to the island. She refuses and drives away. The show finishes with Jack screaming "We have to go back!!"
Damn I wish I didn't read that... I can never resist these things
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