The 'Lost' Thread (Season 3)
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roo
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Snrub wrote: Oh, and finally, after three long years of Dharma this and Dharma that, we find out that the Dharma initiative's got nothing to do with the Others and were all killed long ago after having seemingly achieved nothing, rendering all those mysterious Hanzo websites useless. Hooray!
As far as I can see, the mysteries here did not hurt the Hanzo stuff at all.
In the Hanzo videos, it is well known that Dharma, as an entity, "failed" in what it needed to do. What form it exists in right now we don't know, but obviously Ben/Hostiles have access to bring new researchers to the island, to perhaps study things not origionally intended for by Dharma.
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Thu May 10, 2007 9:39 am |
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roo
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Archie Gates wrote: Who is the next episode about? Hopefully one of the core ones I find interesting: Claire, Sawyer, Kate, Desmond, Sun. But they've already had episodes.
Charlie.
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Thu May 10, 2007 9:40 am |
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roo
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What is everybody's thoughts on the remaining 4 deaths this season?
One is pretty much confirmed: Charlie
So that leaves three.
We know the following people survive into Season 4:
Jack Sawyer Juliet Hurley Rousseau Rose (she's back starting next week producers said previously that if they offed her they would be hanged)
and likely...
Kate Sun Claire Alex Aaron
I'm assuming that 2 of these will be misc. Others...
It could be (at this point)...
Tom Ben Niaomi
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Thu May 10, 2007 9:49 am |
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Raffiki
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andaroo.temp wrote: Snrub wrote: Oh, and finally, after three long years of Dharma this and Dharma that, we find out that the Dharma initiative's got nothing to do with the Others and were all killed long ago after having seemingly achieved nothing, rendering all those mysterious Hanzo websites useless. Hooray! As far as I can see, the mysteries here did not hurt the Hanzo stuff at all. In the Hanzo videos, it is well known that Dharma, as an entity, "failed" in what it needed to do. What form it exists in right now we don't know, but obviously Ben/Hostiles have access to bring new researchers to the island, to perhaps study things not origionally intended for by Dharma.
Well... the killing off of the Dharma people could not have been more than just 5 or so years ago. Ben looks almost exactly the same as he did in that last flashback.
Plus, the Dharma people are still parachuting in food supplies and what not so they must think the initiative is still live and kicking. There's still alot more to Dharma than we've been shows in my opinion.
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Thu May 10, 2007 2:05 pm |
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Bodrul
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: Unless the island heals him or Jacob. So who is Jacob? That part I didn't get at all. I almost wanted to think it was the Monster. Also I don't see how Ben could be over Richard when Richard seemed to be his Boss before. I would like to know if Richard is immortal, a time traveler or what?
I would guess that Richard knew Ben had a connection with the island straight away by seeing his dead mother, thus Ben being the leader. In the same way Locke is now being seen as the one as he has the same sort of "abilities" and it seems Ben's connection fading so to speak - getting cancer and not being able to hear Jacob speak. It almost seemed as if Ben has Jacob imprisoned in that shack, in that little shot of jacob it looks like he is tied up in that chair or something, and explains him telling Locke to help him. 
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Thu May 10, 2007 7:40 pm |
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A. G.
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I'm leaning towards Richard and his buddies being the survivors of the Black Rock ship when it ran aground. The only problem with that is he looks like a modern Hollywood agent type and not someone from another era. But it's all I got at the moment without spoilers. It will probably be more clear after the finale where they are from.
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Thu May 10, 2007 7:47 pm |
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Snrub
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andaroo.temp wrote: What is everybody's thoughts on the remaining 4 deaths this season?
One is pretty much confirmed: Charlie
So that leaves three.
We know the following people survive into Season 4:
Jack Sawyer Juliet Hurley Rousseau Rose (she's back starting next week producers said previously that if they offed her they would be hanged)
and likely...
Kate Sun Claire Alex Aaron
I'm assuming that 2 of these will be misc. Others...
It could be (at this point)...
Tom Ben Niaomi
Of course, the biggest mystery about the remaining episodes of Lost isn't who'll die, but rather exactly what andaroo's secret is...
I believe it was supposed to be answered here:
http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=899976#899976
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Thu May 10, 2007 7:51 pm |
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Amer
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Another Picture of Jacob:
Also, I think that Locke is not dead, because there i read that.. in the finale, jack and locke have a heated battle..High light
Also, I really believe when ben was talking to Jacob, it was an act, because Ben was so shocked that Locke heard something. Also, why did Jacob say Help me? Is someone controlling him? And, I think Ben has taken other people to visit Jacob before, cause Alex was like, "oh well here's a gun", so maybe something in the past has happened. Just some thoughts I have.
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Thu May 10, 2007 8:17 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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I think Lost has a history of killing people off just like that, but they wouldn't kill off a HUGE character like Locke without making sure we know he's dead. If he didn't die this week at the end of the episode, he won't die. You don't drag out someone's death to the next episode. Something will happen.
I recorded Lost and watched the scene with Jacob, and he is in major plain sight. Real easy to spot him, if you know exactly where to look. It's no more than half a second, but it's clear when you see it.
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Thu May 10, 2007 8:23 pm |
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roo
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Raffiki wrote: andaroo.temp wrote: Snrub wrote: Oh, and finally, after three long years of Dharma this and Dharma that, we find out that the Dharma initiative's got nothing to do with the Others and were all killed long ago after having seemingly achieved nothing, rendering all those mysterious Hanzo websites useless. Hooray! As far as I can see, the mysteries here did not hurt the Hanzo stuff at all. In the Hanzo videos, it is well known that Dharma, as an entity, "failed" in what it needed to do. What form it exists in right now we don't know, but obviously Ben/Hostiles have access to bring new researchers to the island, to perhaps study things not origionally intended for by Dharma. Well... the killing off of the Dharma people could not have been more than just 5 or so years ago. Ben looks almost exactly the same as he did in that last flashback.
A couple issues here...
1. Richard is clearly shown not to have aged very much.
2. It's TV, and sometimes that's all make-up can do all.
If part of the island is life-elongation, then I see no reason why this purge wouldn't have happened back in oh... say the 1980s.
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Thu May 10, 2007 8:24 pm |
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A. G.
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Mr. X wrote: I think Lost has a history of killing people off just like that, but they wouldn't kill off a HUGE character like Locke without making sure we know he's dead. If he didn't die this week at the end of the episode, he won't die. You don't drag out someone's death to the next episode. Something will happen.
I recorded Lost and watched the scene with Jacob, and he is in major plain sight. Real easy to spot him, if you know exactly where to look. It's no more than half a second, but it's clear when you see it. It would at least be during a Locke flashback episode. Like one where he misplaces another kidney or something.
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Thu May 10, 2007 8:28 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Archie Gates wrote: Mr. X wrote: I think Lost has a history of killing people off just like that, but they wouldn't kill off a HUGE character like Locke without making sure we know he's dead. If he didn't die this week at the end of the episode, he won't die. You don't drag out someone's death to the next episode. Something will happen.
I recorded Lost and watched the scene with Jacob, and he is in major plain sight. Real easy to spot him, if you know exactly where to look. It's no more than half a second, but it's clear when you see it. It would at least be during a Locke flashback episode. Like one where he misplaces another kidney or something.
 Indeed.
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Thu May 10, 2007 8:37 pm |
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Chris
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What an amazing episode. I am so pissed this isn't getting better ratings (I haven't seen what it got last night yet though). I'm gonna be so pissed if they don't address Locke at all in the coming episodes. He can't be dead...no way can Locke die like that.
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Thu May 10, 2007 8:48 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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I think if he is dead, Jack and the rest will find his body in the Finale. Otherwise I think he would repear alive in the Finale.
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Thu May 10, 2007 9:44 pm |
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MGKC
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I think we all forgot that Locke DID get shot less than a month ago by our friendly neighborhood Shannon.
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Thu May 10, 2007 9:44 pm |
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roo
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Didn't he just get grazed.
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Thu May 10, 2007 9:55 pm |
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trixster
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MG Casey wrote: I think we all forgot that Locke DID get shot less than a month ago by our friendly neighborhood Shannon.
That was like two seasons ago, which is at least two months in Lost-time. And, yes, he just got grazed.
Whether Locke is dead or not, it'll probably play into the finale in some way. Either they find his body or he shows up and kills Ben.
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Thu May 10, 2007 10:10 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Okay, now I finally caught up with you, folks and gotta say that the last two episodes were fantastic. First the face-off between Sawyer and Anthony Cooper - intense and well played-out and the whole Ben episode. The flashbacks were sadly not AS informative as I had hoped, but I really expect more to come on Hanzo and Dharma.
Now Jacob..I really don't know what to think about him. It seems like the show has crossed over from sci-fi to Twin Peaks-style bona fide mystery. Really no idea what to think about Jacob, but as some have said, I do see a connection to the Monster.
And like Archie has said, Locke is quite certainly not dead. They would have shown that clearly if he had died. I mean, Ben did not shoot him again, despite the theats and the healing powers of the island that already helped Locke once will kick in again probably. Next episode, someone's likely gonna die, though (probably Charlie).
And yeah, the never-aging Richard creeps me out. I am just wondering if that was deliberate or whether their make-up department simply sucks.
In any case, the last episode was pretty much as good as ever and qualifies as the best episode of the season. Bring on the finale!
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Thu May 10, 2007 10:49 pm |
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MGKC
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andaroo.temp wrote: Didn't he just get grazed.
HE GOT SHOT. HE ALMOST DIED.
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Thu May 10, 2007 11:17 pm |
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A. G.
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Yeah I think Shannon only grazed him. That happened around a third of the way into season 2.
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Thu May 10, 2007 11:20 pm |
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Chris
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So one more episode and then the finale?
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Thu May 10, 2007 11:47 pm |
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roo
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MG Casey wrote: andaroo.temp wrote: Didn't he just get grazed. HE GOT SHOT. HE ALMOST DIED.
No. He just got grazed.
Go watch DVD 
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Thu May 10, 2007 11:50 pm |
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roo
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Had a wacky theory tonight... it is in the "it's pretty obvious we would have though of it eventually" file.
The "Hostiles"? Survivors of the Black Rock.
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Fri May 11, 2007 1:09 am |
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Raffiki
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Archie Gates wrote: Yeah I think Shannon only grazed him. That happened around a third of the way into season 2.
Why do I suddenly have a loss of memory. What was the storyline for that event?
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Fri May 11, 2007 1:26 am |
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A. G.
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Raffiki wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Yeah I think Shannon only grazed him. That happened around a third of the way into season 2. Why do I suddenly have a loss of memory. What was the storyline for that event? It was season 1 after all.
"The Greater Good"
Part of a recap from it I found on a website:
Sayid runs through the jungle followed by Kate and Jack. Jack stumbles and Kate helps him up. Sayid comes upon Locke, on his knees. Shannon has the gun pointed at him.
Sayid tries to calm Shannon down, but she is convinced that Locke killed Boone. Sayid points out that she has never shot a gun before and she points the gun at the ground between Sayid and Locke and pulls the trigger.
Sayid continues to talk to her and then tackles her, just as she fires. Locke falls straight backwards.
"Don't," Shannon says. "Get away." And she walks away from Sayid. Kate goes after her. Locke sits up. The bullet had grazed his head.
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