i liked the episode a lot. I had no clue that this was ripped from the comics or not since i have never read comic books. for the majority of the people who watch the show they probably dont read comics and really enjoyed the episode.

wow

we're finally agreeing.

i think the whole comparisons to x3, jedi and all are stupid. these are common themes that exist and there is no way to avoid them if you go a certain direction.

2 story flaws

- peter has been with the mindreader. he should be able to read minds.
- the mindreader should have been able to read sylar. we have no evidence that sylar can stop his mind from getting read

I liked it, mainly because of the similarity to Days of Future Past, but I thought they squandered a lot of potential. I would have liked to see a Peter/Sylar fight and more 'dark heroes', and less of annoying Ando and Hiro.

I have to imagine their holding off on that till the season finale.

On an unrelated note, that thing about the middle schooler sucking out all the air is, like, the scarest power ever. Any chance it could be the girl who can "stop Sylar"?

Every time Peter is with the mind reader, the Hatian has been there, and the Hatian doesn't allow Peter to use his power ... which is to pick up others powers.

peter should be able to absorb the haitian's power.

and thats not true. the time the mindreader tried reading peter, peter started reading his back. so technically, peter has absorbed his powers already.

A very nifty episode, at least in the sense that it showed just how bad things would be if the bomb goes off and Linderman gets his way. It also was nessecary to explain future Hiro - and nice to know Hiro won't nessecarily be that stoic later on. I don't disagree that it's about time to move past this storyline, but Heroes is still a very entertaining show, if not a bit loopy story-wise at times.

That thought occurred to me a while ago. It seems like the producers are conveniently forgetting important powers Peter's encountered in the past.

Also, maybe I'm just being stupid, but... Claire was still alive in the future. Which means Sylar didn't have her regeneration powers when Hiro stabbed him. If her still being alive in the bad future was a result of Peter Petrelli saving her at the homecoming, then that means the bomb still goes off anyway... But then, Hiro said Sylar had Claire's regeneration powers.

I really hate time paradoxes. Especially when they're lazy ones.

That said, I still enjoyed the episode.

Hiro doesn't stab him. thats why he must go back to that specific moment in time and kill him.

the future hiro stabs him in the correct time line but claire was dead. so he went back and saved the cheerleader but the old hiro (which he haven't seen. we only know our hiro and the future hiro) never got the opportunity to stab sylar. so sylar got through.

i hate time paradoxes as well. technically speaking, any change in the past should reflect in the life of the new hiro and he should know exactly what his personal history is. he should have not only remembered that he didn't stab him but also that the cheerleader was saved.

Peter can't absorb the Haitian's power because the Haitian can keep people from using their powers around him, including Peter's automatic abosrb other powers power.

As to the time travel parodox and Claire, there is no paradox, there is just something they haven't explained yet: how Sylar blew up NY. In the future they thought Sylar had killed Claire, taken her power and blew himself and part of NY up but as we see from both Sylar and Claire being alive, that they were wrong about that. So what really happened? We don't know yet unless I missed something. Hopefully they'll explain it.

sylar never blew up the place. peter did

Neither one of them did in the alternate future timeline, since they were both alive. Back in the present, Peter thought he was going to be the one to do it. In the future they kept showing Sylar's face on the news as if they blamed him. But both were alive. Unless I missed something but that's how it looked to me.

The most effective way to prevent the whole incident is to stop Sylar from getting to radiation man, isn't it? Isn't that the power that gives the ability to explode like that?

Peter says to Nikki that he was the one who blew up New York. What I can't understand is that if so many of the Heroes were in New York engaging in a one-on-one with Sylar, how more of them weren't killed in the explosion. And if the final battle where Hiro stabs Sylar doesn't occur in New York, does that mean we won't get to see the definitive Peter/Sylar face off? If so, I'll be pretty pissed.

Future Hiro outright said that he stabbed Sylar and the wound healed because he'd taken Claire's powers. Yet in the same future, Claire's alive and well and so is Sylar. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Also, Nathan Petrelli allegedly blamed Sylar to protect his brother and to unite the world in hatred and fear. I assume he did this prior to being taken out and replaced by a Candace-powered Sylar.

Candy-powered Sylar - doesn't sound too menacing. One way for them to get out of it might be if future Sylar with his newly acquired powers somehow goes back to the past, but that's not likely since one Hiro is gone and the other Hiro is dead.

Well, theoretically, that future should've ceased to exist the moment Hiro returned back to the present. Assuming he does actually manage to stop the bomb and kill Sylar.

in the future timeline, peter exploded.

they kept showing slyar's face because the world thought sylar did it. Sylar, posing as nathan hid what peter did and blamed it on himself so that the world would think that sylar is dead. peter survived the explosion cause he could heal. sylar survived cause he never blew up.

May I have a moment of your time?

Peter aborbs their powers, but has to think of the heroes in order to use them. Maybe he just forgot about Parkman. I know I get bored everytime I see him on screen. I can see how Peter would forget about him.

for all those that are confused by the time.

Lets start off from the beginning.

Sylar is taking over the world and the heroes are trying to stop it from happening. Peter may blow up.
Sylar kills claire
hiro stabs sylar
sylar regenerates back
explosion happens one way or the other (sylar or peter, we're not clear) or sylar takes over the world
hiro not happy about this
so future hiro trains and masters his skills
future hiro tracks timeline and figures out he fucked up because sylar regenerated. the key was to save the cheerleader
he goes back and saves the cheerleader by informing peter
peter saves the cheerleader
sylar does not learn to regenerate
atomic dude comes in contact with peter
hiro for some reason DOESN"T stab sylar due to the altered story line
slyar kills nathan and the chick that can metamorph
peter blows up but survives
hiro fucks up again and matches timelines to figure out where he went wrong.
sylar becomes nathan and protects peter (peter can beat him as he can regerate while sylar can't) and keeps up the facade
sylar starts eliminating competition
peter goes into hiding due to guilt
hiro figures out where he went wrong
present day hiro arrives and is explained what must be done
sylar kills claire, can now regenerate
peter and sylar face off
future hiro dies
old hiro returns back, knowing how he can kill sylar and maybe prevent the explosion (we still don't know what causes it)

Which is all bloody stupid. never introduce a time traveller. the time line can be changed by a time traveller going back much further in history and just killing sylar as a baby. or just killing him himself instead of sending the old hiro.

and as he can freeze time as well, he can just kill sylar by freezing time. actually, so can peter as he has hiro's powers.

and potentially, being scred of the haitian is stupid. hes been in the vicinity of the haitian yet got away so technically, he may have his powers already. and even if he doesnt, haitian is still an average human being. once again, stop time when the haitian doesn't know you're about, take him out.

i hate time travel

Basically, last night's episode made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Sylar had Claire's powers after killing her, hence why Hiro's blade had no effect in the big battle, but evidently Claire's alive and well in the future. As far as I know, Sylar's shown no regenerational abilities thus far, so how he managed to get them without offing Claire in the process (her brain being disconnected from her body would almost certainly kill her) to survive Hiro's blade to the chest is anybody's guess.

snrub

you're not understanding. they explained that already

hiro disrupted it the time line. when he disrupted the timeline, he ended up causing a fuck up that allowed claire to survive but let sylar avoid getting stabbed by hiro. they said it clearly in the episode. which is why present day hiro needs to go back and rectify that final mishap.

read the time line i stated above.

Wow, Squee said something of importance.

And that's also why he doesn't have the Haitian's powers, since he's never actually encountered him, let alone know his power.

Speaking of which, Invisible Man needs to return ASAP. His character kicked ass.

As for this week's eppy, I thought it was alright, but kinda eh.

But, but... future Hiro says that he stabbed Sylar and Sylar regenerated. If changing time to save Claire affected the future we saw in this episode (in that she's now a part of it), then Hiro should've killed Sylar and the future should've been very different. The fact future hiro remembers stabbing Sylar and Sylar regenerating means the logic's all fucked up.

actually, peter and the haitian have met. but i won't argue about this too much. it could very well be that peter only absorbs powers when someone uses them. that ofcourse opens up tonnes of other questions but lets not get into it

the invisible man is indeed, the best