Most successful Oscar hopeful this year?
Most successful Oscar hopeful this year?
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Harry Warden
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andaroo wrote: BJ, the Rent advertising is using critical reviews from web sites. There are no quotes from Time or Ebert and the like. There are some bad reviews floating around, Eugene Levy, David Poland, etc.. It's not getting early reviews from big names, etc.
That's usually a sign of trouble, at least critically.
Jeffrey Wells raved about it, for what that's worth
Match Point should benefit from buzz once it gets closer to release as the critics seem to love it, as should The New World.
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BJ
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DP07 wrote: Probably Munich, Geisha or WTL with 70m-110m. Rent will bomb badly with less then 30m.
bleh, Rent has a much better chance of breaking out than the outher two.
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Maverikk
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Walk the Line.
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Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:22 pm |
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jb007
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Munich by a wide margin.
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zingy
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I_Was_Your_Sam wrote: Munich is NOT gonna be successful. Are you people on crack?!?!
...why?
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Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:07 pm |
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Mr. Reynolds
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you guys follow this stuff religiously. i am your average movie watcher. so
1. i just saw a trailer for Munich and it doesn't appeal to me at all
2. when is it coming out?
3. what is it about?
4. just because it's spielberg does not mean it will be big.
no one knows or cares about this movie.
there are too many high profile movies coming out.
the producers has a huge following. it will totally do better than munich.
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Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:08 pm |
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DP07
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I agree Munich doesn't have that much BO potential as much as I want to see it. However buzz alone should give it a minimum of 50m.
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Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:10 pm |
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Shack
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The Producers had an ugly ass trailer though. Its no flashy Chicago broadway musical. Most of the scenes of the performances are on a crappy grey stage, in a crappy theatre. And Uma Thurman just bumbles around yelling swedish like an idiot, same goes for Will Ferrell meaning he plays dumb.
I don't know. I could see this one bombing.
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Dr. Lecter
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I_Was_Your_Sam wrote: you guys follow this stuff religiously. i am your average movie watcher. so
1. i just saw a trailer for Munich and it doesn't appeal to me at all 2. when is it coming out? 3. what is it about? 4. just because it's spielberg does not mean it will be big.
no one knows or cares about this movie.
there are too many high profile movies coming out.
the producers has a huge following. it will totally do better than munich.
Not a single Spielberg movie since Amistad made less than $70 million. That does say something. And considering Munich is going to get award buzz, I don'z see how it could get less than $80-90 million either.
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Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:52 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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With the bad reviews, Geisha is now unlikely to come even close to $100 million. Which leaves Walk the Line as #2 on my list and Kunich still at #1.
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Goldie
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 Re: Most successful Oscar hopeful this year?
Dr. Lecter wrote: We are in the middle of November and the award season just starts to pick up with Walk the Line's release. Each year there are movies that make quite a good box-office simply thanks to the award buzz surrounding them. Last year, the awards carried The Aviator and Million Dollar Baby just beyond the $100 million mark and helped a small flick like Sideways to actually pass $70 million. As it has become obvious, especially the Best Picture nominees benefit from the awards immensly as well as movies that are surrounded by huge buzz, even though they don't end up nominated (see Cold Mountain as an example). This year seems not so predictable when it comes to possible Oscar contenders and their box-office
The same question has been asked last year around this time and I ask it once again. Which of the potential Oscar hopefuls do you think will be the biggest box-office hit this year? I obviously didn't include movies like Narnia or King Kong, as those would be pretty obvious.
Here is my compiled list of potential Oscar hopefuls this winter:
Syriana Walk the Line Brokeback Mountain Memoirs of a Geisha Munich Match Point The Producers Rent Good Night, and Good Luck The New World The Libertine Capote Pride & Prejudice Mrs. Henderson Presents
Certainly, not all of them will turn out as much of the contenders as we predict them right now to be. Last year at this point many of us predicted Alexander and The Phantom of the Opera to be huge contenders. We all know how it ended. Nonetheless, from the very beginning they did have some buzz surrounding them and this is the criteria I went by for my selection as well.
As of now I predict that either Munich or Memoirs of a Geisha will end up with the biggest box-office of them, unless The Producers pulls a big surprise and garners many noms.
Right now, I'd give a slight edge to Memoirs of a Geisha.
Here is what I see them making roughly:
Memoirs of a Geisha - $110 million Munich - $95-100 million The Producers - $85-95 million Walk the Line - $75 million Rent - $70-75 million Syriana - $55-60 million The New World - $50-55 million Good Night, and Good Luck - $35-40 million Brokeback Mountain - $30 million Pride & Prejudice - $25-30 million Match Point - $20 million Capote - $12-15 million
I really have no clue about Mrs. Henderson Presents and The Libertine, though...
Lecter, I don't think this was a good time to bump up this as your BO picks that for the movies that came out haven't been too good.
This alone might kill your chances in Poster Awards for the Best BO Predictor. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Here is what I see them making roughly:
Memoirs of a Geisha - $110 million > ??????????????
Munich - $95-100 million
The Producers - $85-95 million
Walk the Line - $75 million > ?????????
Rent - $70-75 million > ???????????????
Syriana - $55-60 million
The New World - $50-55 million
Good Night, and Good Luck - $35-40 million
Brokeback Mountain - $30 million
Pride & Prejudice - $25-30 million
Match Point - $20 million
Capote - $12-15 million
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:43 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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And I do care....?
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:45 am |
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zingy
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That's why they're called predictions, Goldie.
I didn't see any from you in this thread.
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:49 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Well, I, for one, remember very well Goldie predicting Christmas with the Kranks to easily outdo The Polar Express and Hitch not to outgross 50 First Dates 
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:58 am |
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Goldie
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Dr. Lecter wrote: And I do care....?
Lecter, well if you want to save a chance to try to win the following KJ poster award you have to stop bringing up these bad BO predictions. Remember things are different since you were running these awards.
and Z, I was just trying to be a nice guy and point out that Lecter isn't helping himself by doing that. I say balls to the walls, in honor to Lecter's Haaselhoff avatar, and the hell with everything else > just vote Lecter - as Goldie throws his support behind Lecter.
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Shack
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Mwhaha...
I guess we weren't expecting King Kong to take that leap into the Oscar fray. Its probable 300 mil+ gross should obliterate the 100 mil range of Munich and Walk the Line and such.
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:39 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Shack wrote: Mwhaha...
I guess we weren't expecting King Kong to take that leap into the Oscar fray. Its probable 300 mil+ gross should obliterate the 100 mil range of Munich and Walk the Line and such.
Shack, you need to read my first post more carefully!
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Goldie
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Shack wrote: Mwhaha...
I guess we weren't expecting King Kong to take that leap into the Oscar fray. Its probable 300 mil+ gross should obliterate the 100 mil range of Munich and Walk the Line and such. Shack, you need to read my first post more carefully!
Yes Shack you have to read it very cafefully as Lecter wasn't very clear.
and even the poll re-inforces your misconception
Which possible Oscar contender will be the biggest at the box-office?
Memoirs of a Geisha
Walk the Line
Munich
Syriana
The Producers
Good Night, and Good Luck
The New World
Match Point
Brokeback Mountain
Other (please specify!)
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:26 am |
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_axiom
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Well Munich isn't looking all that good. It's currently at 67% on RT ( see here). There are only 6 reviews, but almost every film starts with higher RT score than it finishes with.
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:58 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Well two of potential contenders (even though one of them is already out of the race) are out now in limited release:
Memoirs of a Geisha and Brokeback Mountain occupied the 14th and the 16th spot at the box-office respectively.
Memoirs of a Geisha opened to $647,000 in 8 theatres for a PTA of 84,250. Its PTA is the 3rd biggest ever for a live-action movie and the biggest ever for any film released in over 6 theatres. Next weekend it expands to 50 theatres and then goes wider in its third weekend.
Brokeback Mountain opened to $545,000 in 5 theatres for a PTA of $109,000. This is the 9th biggest opening PTA ever and the biggest opening PTA ever for a live-action movie as well as the 2nd biggest opening PTA for a movie playing in 5 theatres or more (behind Pocahontas). It expands to 60 theatres next weekend and gradually expands throughout December and January. As of now it is slowly becoming the frontrunner in this year's Oscar race.
Next weekend:
The Producers (initially a contender, now with mediocre reviews pretty much out of the race for major noms) opens in 6 theatres. I think a PTA of around 35,000-40,000 can be expected...
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Chippy
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King Kong

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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:23 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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ChipMunky wrote: King Kong 
I made it pretty clear in the first post that I mean all the contenders EXCEPT for Narnia and Kong.
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Chippy
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Dr. Lecter wrote: ChipMunky wrote: King Kong  I made it pretty clear in the first post that I mean all the contenders... ESPECIALLY Narnia and Kong.
King Kong

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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:27 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Contenders Tracking:
Memoirs of a Geisha:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col]PTA[col]Total gross[row]Dec 9-11[col]$682,504[col]NEW[col]8[col]$85,313[col]$682,504[row]Dec 16-18[col]$1,302,331[col]+90.8%[col]52[col]$25,044[col]$2,274,320[/table]
Brokeback Mountain:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col][b]PTA[/b][col]Total gross[row]Dec 9-11[col]$547,425[col]NEW[col]5[col]$109,485[col]$547,425[row]Dec 16-18[col]$2,508,494[col]+358%[col]69[col]$36,354[col]$3,474,311[/table]
The Producers:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col]PTA[col]Total gross[row]Dec 16-18[col]$154,590[col]NEW[col]5[col]$25,765[col]$154,590[/table]
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A rather unimpressive start for The Producers.
Next Week:
- Memoirs of a Geisha expands to 1,400+ theatres.
- The Producers expands to 1,000+ theatres on Sunday
- Brokeback Mountain expands to 120+ theatres
- Munich opens in est. 525 theatres
- Mrs. Henderson Presents expands to 56 theatres on Sunday
- Transamerica expands to 23 theatres
- The New World opens in 3 theatres
Stay tuned.
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Dr. Lecter
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Contenders Tracking:
Memoirs of a Geisha:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col]PTA[col]Total gross[row]Dec 9-11[col]$682,504[col]NEW[col]8[col]$85,313[col]$682,504[row]Dec 16-18[col]$1,302,331[col]+90.8%[col]52[col]$25,044[col]$2,274,320[row]Dec 23-25[col]$6,751,729[col]+418%[col]1,547[col]$4,364[col]$9,841,364[/table]
Brokeback Mountain:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col][b]PTA[/b][col]Total gross[row]Dec 9-11[col]$547,425[col]NEW[col]5[col]$109,485[col]$547,425[row]Dec 16-18[col]$2,508,494[col]+358%[col]69[col]$36,354[col]$3,474,311[row]Dec 23-25[col]$1,910,310[col]-23.8%[col]217[col]$8,803[col]$6,847,551[/table]
The Producers:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col]PTA[col]Total gross[row]Dec 16-18[col]$154,590[col]NEW[col]5[col]$25,765[col]$154,590[row]Dec 23-25[col]$1,616,791*[col]+946%[col]975[col]$1,618[col]$1,860,042[/table]
Munich:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col]PTA[col]Total gross[row]Dec 23-25[col]$4,152,260[col]NEW[col]532[col]$7,805[col]$4,152,260[/table]
Syriana:
[table][row]Weekend[col]Weekend Gross[col]% Change[col]Theatres[col]PTA[col]Total gross[row]Nov 25-27[col]$374,502[col]NEW[col]5[col]$74,900[col]$553,530[row]Dec 2-4[col]$521,420[col]+39.2%[col]9[col]$57,935[col]$1,271,259[row]Dec 9-11[col]$11,737,143[col]+2,151%[col]1,752[col]$6,699[col]$13,236,572[row]Dec 16-18[col]$5,605,167[col]-52.2%[col]1,775[col]$3,317[col]$22,462,362[row]Dec 23-25[col]$3,190,000[col]-43.1%[col]1,725[col]$1,849[col]$28,830,000[/table]
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* The Producers expanded to 975 on Sunday, so it's basically the one day gross from wide release and the two-day gross from 6 theatres.
- Memoirs of a Geisha did very well in expansion and should be on track to $55+ million now
- Munich's opening is slightly disappointing, but I still see a $80+ million total
- I added Syriana which is really struggling for the kind of a contender and well-reviewd movie that it is because of bad WoM. Should finish somewhere with $40-45 million
Next weekend:
- Brokeback Mountain expands to 250 theatres
- Match Point opens in 8 theatres on Wednesday
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