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BJ
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Gamaur wrote: Fuck it... 61 million weekend 
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BJ
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avatars line looks almost exactly the same as titanic's 
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Predict Avatanic's Wednesday
Enki - 19.5m +7% BJs Prediction: 18.05m -1% Flava'd - 17.9m -2% Jmovies - 17.6m -3% Mark66 - 17,559,003m -4% Revatar - 17.26m -5% Chip Munkington - 17.0m -7% Mesjarch 17.0m -7% DIB2 - 17.0m -7% Gamaur - 16.9m -7% LadiesMan217 - 16.8m -8% Keyser Soze - 16.7m -8% Telemachos - 16.65m -8% The Dark Shape - 16.5m -9% MikeQ 16.4m -10%
Average: 17.25m -5%
you have until 10pm eastern, post your prediction for a chance at one day of predicting glory.
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BJ
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Gamaur wrote: It's trajectory is 700-800 million at the moment. 
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Predict Avatanic's 3rd Wknd
EnKi - 81.5m +7% BJs Prediction: 70.90m -6% Jmovies - 70.17m -7% Xiayun - 64.5m -15% DIB2 - 64.5m -15% LadiesMan217 - 64.2m -15% Keyser Soze - 62m -18% Flava'd - 62m -18% 2001 - 61m -19% Gamaur - 61m -19% Mesjarch - 60.5m -19% Solas - 60.5m -19% Lotan - 60.0m -20% Revatar - 58.67m -22% Telemachos - 57m -24% Chip Munkington - 56.8m -24%
Average: 63.32m -16%
you have until Friday, 10pm eastern, get em in eh
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Nazgul9
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Gamaur wrote: It's trajectory is 700-800 million at the moment. If holidays would extend for another month maybe... 
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Enki
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Just like Titanic, increasing the slope after the first week instead of decreasing like TDK did. How many blockbusters do that? in December? I am telling you, this is an outlier... and it is heading to $1b... domestic! 
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Keyser Söze
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i see quite a few 3d sellouts at nyc, amc loews at boston commons and others. slightly better than yesterday.
bumping my wednesday to 18m.
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Shack
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Avatar should be at 340 mil after 17 days. TDK of course made 400 mil in 17 days.
Avatar will only be 60 mil behind TDK after this weekend! TDK made 50 mil in its 4th week as a whole (from 18th day-24th day). Avatar SHOULD make 90 at the least.
Its a practical lock to catch TDK at this point. Avatar vs Titanic is the real debate
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Enki
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Shack wrote: Avatar should be at 340 mil after 17 days. TDK of course made 400 mil in 17 days.
Avatar will only be 60 mil behind TDK after this weekend! TDK made 50 mil in its 4th week as a whole (from 18th day-24th day). Avatar SHOULD make 90 at the least.
Its a practical lock to catch TDK at this point. Avatar vs Titanic is the real debate  Between day 20 and 24 Avatar will pass ROTK's $1.119b gross sales WorldWide, to own the second most successful box office WW ever, only after Titanic. In my opinion, that's what really counts. Domestic sales are just a good indicator, but WW is where the money is.
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BJ
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Shack wrote: Avatar should be at 340 mil after 17 days. TDK of course made 400 mil in 17 days.
Avatar will only be 60 mil behind TDK after this weekend! TDK made 50 mil in its 4th week as a whole (from 18th day-24th day). Avatar SHOULD make 90 at the least.
Its a practical lock to catch TDK at this point. Avatar vs Titanic is the real debate 350m after 17 days 
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Keyser Söze
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Shack wrote: Avatar should be at 340 mil after 17 days. TDK of course made 400 mil in 17 days.
Avatar will only be 60 mil behind TDK after this weekend! TDK made 50 mil in its 4th week as a whole (from 18th day-24th day). Avatar SHOULD make 90 at the least.
Its a practical lock to catch TDK at this point. Avatar vs Titanic is the real debate i concur it has excellent chance of beating tdk, how on earth would avatar make 90m next week( 18-24). its past new year when week days would be weak plus its weekend hold wont be that insane considering new year weekend is inflated.
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BJ
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Keyser Söze wrote: i see quite a few 3d sellouts at nyc, amc loews at boston commons and others. slightly better than yesterday.
bumping my wednesday to 18m. ya its doing slightly better here as well 
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BJ
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Predict Avatanic's Wednesday
Enki - 19.5m +7% BJs Prediction: 18.05m -1% Keyser Soze - 18.0m -1% Flava'd - 17.9m -2% Jmovies - 17.6m -3% Mark66 - 17,559,003m -4% Revatar - 17.26m -5% Chip Munkington - 17.0m -7% Mesjarch 17.0m -7% DIB2 - 17.0m -7% Gamaur - 16.9m -7% LadiesMan217 - 16.8m -8% Telemachos - 16.65m -8% The Dark Shape - 16.5m -9% MikeQ 16.4m -10%
Average: 17.34m -4%
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:11 pm |
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mdana
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Shack wrote: Avatar should be at 340 mil after 17 days. TDK of course made 400 mil in 17 days.
Avatar will only be 60 mil behind TDK after this weekend! TDK made 50 mil in its 4th week as a whole (from 18th day-24th day). Avatar SHOULD make 90 at the least.
Its a practical lock to catch TDK at this point. Avatar vs Titanic is the real debate Huh? You really think coming off an inflated week of "non"-holidays that Avatar will only drop from $127m to $90m, a 29% drop? I don't think so: 3rd Week to 4th Week drop ROTK $68.14/$21.91m -67.8% FOTR $49.65m/$22.81m -54.1% Titanic $69.04m/40.41 -41.4% The Prince of Egypt $26.29m/$8.51m -67.6% You've Got Mail $30.5m/$12.6m -58.7% FOTR really shouldn't be on this list because its 3rd week already included weekdays after Jan. 1. Some of the week day 60-70% drops were already part of its third week, so it didn't drop as hard. However, I just wanted to show that even under the most optimistic conditions for a 3rd to 4th week drop, anything under 50% is practically impossible. Avatar is starting to fall behind the pace of TPOE and YGM in week day gross as percentage of overall gross. They have had comparable runs off their OW, but Avatar has given up that lead from last week as well. I threw in Titanic to show how it has quickly fallen behind it as well. OW multiplier for 1st 5 days gross Avatar 1.42 Titanic 1.40 TPOE 1.36 YGM 1.31 5th day as % of total gross through 5 days Titanic 14.9% Avatar 14.7% TPOE 14.5% YGM 13% OW multiplier for 1st 12 days gross Titanic 3.64 TPOE 3.31 Avatar 3.25 YGM 2.99 12th day as % of total gross through 12 days TPOE 8.5% Titanic 7.7% Avatar 7.3% YGM 7.2% Avatar's 3D screens have reached functional capacity. Finally, supply is overtaking demand at this point. Avatar had the worst drop in the top 10 outside of SH yesterday. It hit the iceberg yesterday. I wrote this last week on BOM: mdana1 wrote: Let's compare Avatar to Prince of Egypt from 1998. Prince of Egypt made 58.2% of its seven day total over its first weekend. Avatar made 56.1% which is slightly better. Prince of Egypt dropped 1.9% its second Friday. Avatar depending on what the final for Friday ends up being will be drop around 10%. For the weekend Prince of Egypt increased 4.1% and Avatar looks to drop 5-10%. Prince of Egypt was able to make four times more what it made its first week. If Avatar did the same thing it would end up at $558m, but I think that is the absolute best case scenario and you are comparing a movie that increased its second weekend vs. a movie that dropped slightly. Also, TPOE increase almost 50% during its second weekdays. I don't see Avatar having $20m+ Mon-Thur.
If it does that then Titanic talk may commence immediately.
I don't see WOM of this movie better than The Departed, ROTK, TDK, or first POTC. Lastly, it is SF and that will limit its accessibility compared to a movie like Titanic. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/forums/vie ... t=#2499271It has not met the necessary conditions needed to get it past $550m, and is falling off even that pace. TPOE made almost 50% of its total by day 12. If Avatar does the same thing and remember it has fallen behind in terms of OW multiplier and current daily gross %, it would finish at $528.6m. Barring unforeseen holds in its 4th weekend which I doubt, but can't rule out, Titanic is just a mirage. For me, the question is still if it can overtake TDK.
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That is an interesting analysis above, but I think you are fogetting to take into consideration when comparing with the Dark Knight, which as you said made $400 million in it's first 17 days, is that it didn't have 2 months of awards buzz to ride on, which Avatar might. If it gets nominated for a lot of Oscars, or somehow manages to win Best Picture at either the Globes or Oscars, it could stretch it's run out until late March. With 3D inflated prices, this could continue to have nice grosses week after week for months to come. So even with only 340 million going into January, 550 million isn't out of the question. In fact, with the holiday weekend (MLK) in January to boost it, I am pretty certain it will make it there.
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600m+ mdana underestimates the asscar potential
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Bryan_smith wrote: That is an interesting analysis above, but I think you are fogetting to take into consideration when comparing with the Dark Knight, which as you said made $400 million in it's first 17 days, is that it didn't have 2 months of awards buzz to ride on, which Avatar might. If it gets nominated for a lot of Oscars, or somehow manages to win Best Picture at either the Globes or Oscars, it could stretch it's run out until late March. With 3D inflated prices, this could continue to have nice grosses week after week for months to come. So even with only 340 million going into January, 550 million isn't out of the question. In fact, with the holiday weekend (MLK) in January to boost it, I am pretty certain it will make it there. I specifically stated it wasn't out of the question, just becoming less and less likely. I could see Best Picture since there are 10 noms now, but what else? It won't get director, script or any acting awards, which are the ones needed to help legs, significantly.
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Oh come on, its still breaking records every day and you think it's over?
Just compare the previous 2nd Tuesday record held by LOTR with $10m broken by AVATAR with $18m - I don't see any slowing down...
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mdana wrote: Bryan_smith wrote: That is an interesting analysis above, but I think you are fogetting to take into consideration when comparing with the Dark Knight, which as you said made $400 million in it's first 17 days, is that it didn't have 2 months of awards buzz to ride on, which Avatar might. If it gets nominated for a lot of Oscars, or somehow manages to win Best Picture at either the Globes or Oscars, it could stretch it's run out until late March. With 3D inflated prices, this could continue to have nice grosses week after week for months to come. So even with only 340 million going into January, 550 million isn't out of the question. In fact, with the holiday weekend (MLK) in January to boost it, I am pretty certain it will make it there. I specifically stated it wasn't out of the question, just becoming less and less likely. I could see Best Picture since there are 10 noms now, but what else? It won't get director, script or any acting awards, which are the ones needed to help legs, significantly. 
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BJ wrote: Predict Avatanic's Wednesday
Enki - 19.5m +7% BJs Prediction: 18.05m -1% Flava'd - 17.9m -2% Jmovies - 17.6m -3% Mark66 - 17,559,003m -4% Revatar - 17.26m -5% Chip Munkington - 17.0m -7% Mesjarch 17.0m -7% DIB2 - 17.0m -7% Gamaur - 16.9m -7% LadiesMan217 - 16.8m -8% Keyser Soze - 16.7m -8% Telemachos - 16.65m -8% The Dark Shape - 16.5m -9% MikeQ 16.4m -10%
Average: 17.25m -5%
you have until 10pm eastern, post your prediction for a chance at one day of predicting glory. $16.3m
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:59 pm |
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BJ wrote: mdana wrote: Bryan_smith wrote: That is an interesting analysis above, but I think you are fogetting to take into consideration when comparing with the Dark Knight, which as you said made $400 million in it's first 17 days, is that it didn't have 2 months of awards buzz to ride on, which Avatar might. If it gets nominated for a lot of Oscars, or somehow manages to win Best Picture at either the Globes or Oscars, it could stretch it's run out until late March. With 3D inflated prices, this could continue to have nice grosses week after week for months to come. So even with only 340 million going into January, 550 million isn't out of the question. In fact, with the holiday weekend (MLK) in January to boost it, I am pretty certain it will make it there. I specifically stated it wasn't out of the question, just becoming less and less likely. I could see Best Picture since there are 10 noms now, but what else? It won't get director, script or any acting awards, which are the ones needed to help legs, significantly.  If it is still 5 nominations for Best Director, I think it is more likely than not he does not get nominated. However, he probably has a better chance than I wrote. He has never been nominated outside of Titanic. They might give him a nom. for paving the way with 3D.
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Predict Avatanic's Wednesday
Enki - 19.5m +7% BJs Prediction: 18.05m -1% Keyser Soze - 18.0m -1% Flava'd - 17.9m -2% Jmovies - 17.6m -3% Mark66 - 17,559,003m -4% Revatar - 17.26m -5% Chip Munkington - 17.0m -7% Mesjarch 17.0m -7% DIB2 - 17.0m -7% Gamaur - 16.9m -7% LadiesMan217 - 16.8m -8% Telemachos - 16.65m -8% The Dark Shape - 16.5m -9% MikeQ - 16.4m -10% Mdana - 16.3m -11%
Average: 17.28m -4%
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Predict Avatanic's 3rd Wknd
EnKi - 81.5m +7% BJs Prediction: 70.90m -6% Jmovies - 70.17m -7% Xiayun - 64.5m -15% DIB2 - 64.5m -15% LadiesMan217 - 64.2m -15% Keyser Soze - 62m -18% Flava'd - 62m -18% 2001 - 61m -19% Gamaur - 61m -19% Mesjarch - 60.5m -19% Solas - 60.5m -19% Lotan - 60.0m -20% Revatar - 58.67m -22% Telemachos - 57m -24% Chip Munkington - 56.8m -24%
Average: 63.32m -16%
you have until Friday, 10pm eastern, get em in eh bump
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BJ wrote: Domestic Total:
Mr. Blue - 120m | multiplier - 4.80
LadiesMan - 160m | multiplier - 4.57 Excel - 200m | multiplier - 4.44 Kris K - 210m | multiplier - 3.00 Nebs - 228.1m | multiplier - 3.84 Zingy - 234m | multiplier - 3.60
BK - 235m | multiplier - 3.61 MG Casey - 235m | multiplier - 5.00
Archangel - 240m | multiplier - 3.69 Tuukka - 240m | multiplier - 4.00
2001 - 250m | multiplier - 4.55 Madgez - 260m | multiplier - 4.56 したい - 265m | multiplier - 4.82 Neo_Wolf - 270m | multiplier - 4.35 Mr. Lobotomy - 274.25m | multiplier - 4.27 KC - 275m | multiplier - 4.44 billybobwashere - 285m | multiplier - 5.18 Jon - 295.5m | multiplier - 5.54 Dr. Lecter - 303m | multiplier - 4.97 Magnus - 300m | multiplier - 5.00 The Dark Shape - 310m | multiplier - 4.77
Proud Ryu - 320m | multiplier - 4.06 O - 327.6m | multiplier - 5.60
Telemachos - 340m | multiplier - 4.20
Nazgul - 350m | multiplier - -
Xiayun - 350m | multiplier - 4.61 Justice - 377m | multiplier - 4.08
Chip Munkington - 415m | multiplier - 5.53 Flava'd - 420m | multiplier - 5.45 SolC9 - 459m | multiplier - 4.88 Keyser Soze - 475m | multiplier - 5.28 BennyBlanco - 501m | multiplier - 5.51 Gamaur - 510m | multiplier - 5.74 Rev - 600m | multiplier - 3.53 Mark66 - 625m | multiplier - 8.34 DIB2 - 670m | multiplier - 7.28 BJ - 811m | multiplier - 7.62
Average Domestic Total Prediction: 331.36m
Average Multiplyer: 4.82
only 8 of the first round predictors made it in without having to update in the 2nd round, congrats don't forget to get your predictions in, especially if you're past prediction was in the red. Those wit a strike through there name have predicted in round 2 BJ wrote: Predict Avatanic's Domestic Total: round 2 update #5
Proud Ryu - 450m SolC9 - 459m 2001 - 470m Archangel - 500m BennyBlanco - 501m Nazgul - 504m Telemachos - 510m BK - 525m Keyser Soze - 525m Tyler - 530m The Dark Shape 540m Eventine - 541.2m Xiayun - 550m LadiesMan217 - 565m Gamaur - 575m Chip Munkington - 601m Jmovies - 612m Revatar - 612.5m Mesjarch - 620m Mark66 - 625m DIB2 - 720m Lotan - 770m BJ - 811m EnKi - 1.025b
Average Domestic Total Prediction: 589.20m
newly submitted are in bold, have fun all. round 2 so far, you have till sunday, post em eh. bump
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