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Jonathan
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:07 pm Posts: 14737 Location: The Present (Duh)
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makeshift wrote: I loved this movie.
I was completely floored by how meta it was, something I was not anticipating at all. It's funny, while I was watching that climactic scene between Briony, Cecilia and Robbie, I could feel that there was something off. Everything from the camera, to the character's behavior, to the performances were slightly off-kilter. So when it's revealed that it was imagined by Briony for her novel Atonement, it made perfect sense. She was reflecting her expectations of that situation, not the reality of it. That is a shining example of a filmmaker having masterful control over their work.
I loved the score and the way it became a part of the environment of the movie itself. Everything from the typewriter, to the plucking of piano strings, to the beating of an umbrella on the hood of a car either mesh into the score or signal the end of it. Incredible, and in viewed in context with the ending makes perfect sense.
I loved the exploration of different perspectives, how events change from person to person. The editing in particular during these scenes is fantastic.
I loved the dichotomy of the two halves, and how they apply to the characters and the events on screen. The first half is mesmerizing and taut, while the second half kind of wanders and languishes.
I loved the one-take, which was obviously brilliant for its technical prowess, but subtlety brilliant in the way it wasn't showy and served an actual purpose to the film. When the shot ends overlooking the beach from the rail next to the bar, it gives us a birds eye view of the carnage and anarchy we've just snaked our way through. It's a far greater "YOU ARE THERE" aesthetic than anything Spielberg put together in Private Ryan, and it's not as obvious.
I loved the raw, unkempt look the movie took on frequently. The hand held camera, the harsh and naturalistic lighting, the jump cuts. It was a nice balance to the painterly look the rest of the film had, and it was used appropriately, mostly during shifted perspective moments.
I didn't find it the be overly emotional, but I'm not sure that was entirely the point. I think this movie is far more about narrative structure and character perception than trying to craft an audience friendly tear-jerker. I really think it's one of the best novel adaptations I've ever seen because it does such a tremendous job of incorporating the feeling of a story being told. I think this just about sums up what I adored about this. Once it was over I found myself talking with the crying ladies in front of me just because I wanted to share my sheer love for what I just saw. Afterwards when I was in my car, I found myself randomly yelling "I fucking LOVE this movie!" just because it's so damn near perfect. If it weren't for my ever-growing love for NCFOM I would declare this my favorite film of the year. Between P&P and now this Joe Wright is a motherfucking GOD. I LOVE LOVE LOVE this movie. ****
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Alex Y.
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Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:47 pm Posts: 5824
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This is the best movie of 2007.
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Ripper
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:16 pm Posts: 7827 Location: please delete me
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I never bought that Briony actually felt any feel guilt. The actress playing her in the middle part just did not convey much to me.
Cee and Robbie were far more interesting characters, and 20 minutes of screen time does not Knightley lead. She and McVoy were both good, in fact they sold me more on the love story then the book (I read the first 120 pages).
It was a beautifully shot film, but it did not work for me.
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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That's weird, for me the whole guilt and atonement part of Briony's character worked much better than the believable, but not very engaging love sory of Robbie and Cecilia.
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In the book, they jsut tell you Robbie and Cee are in love, in the movie the characters have chemistry, so I could buy it more.
But Briony speech at the end, this is what I could give them, it came off as more, this is what I could give me, it gives them nothing, it all for her.
She came across the same as she did as a child, were it is all about writing her story, she still as self absorbed as she was at 13.
All sorts of things make no sense,why does she even confide in Lola? She wanted to kill that girl for ruining. And Lola's marriage (were did this come from), and the stupid oh now that they are married seh can't testify, ugh.
Briony in the middle looked bored not sad and upset over the lives she had ruined.
I never brought her desire to atone for lying. Beautifully shot, but hollow film for me.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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Goodness, what a soulless movie. Even the great technical achievements are lifeless (that one-shot scene on the beach was too obviously trying to impress the audience way too much).
The acting was ok. Kiera and James had no chemistry. My cats and I show each other more emotion. The young Briony is the only standout acting wise for me.
Thematically, it was all over the place. I get what the interview at the end was all about, but it still was just an awkward way to tell us (the movie goer) that the whole movie was her account of events. The "war is horrible" commentary was horrobly done.
Can't believe Globes just gave it an award. NCFOM and TWBB must have split votes.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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loyalfromlondon wrote: C+ Just didn't move me. Pretty sets, pretty cinematography, pretty cast, and a pretty dull story. Am I broken?  ha. Is this the first movie we agree on?? Yay!
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MadGez
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Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23385 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Good to see a few more people who didnt really dig it. The Golden Globe win is just silly. But I bet this is the type of film the Academy will award too. 
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billybobwashere
He didn't look busy?!
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:59 pm Posts: 4308
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hey, Babel was even more weakly received than this from the film crowd, and it was ignored at the Oscars. Considering we aren't even sure if this'll get nominated, I'd say its chances at a win are pretty small right now.
I do wanna see this, though.
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billybobwashere
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I can't think of anything to complain about with this film. The actors did their jobs well (especially Vanessa Redgrave in her short performance), the film was visually stunning, and Joe Wright's direction was just magnifique, but I'm not sure this ever could have been a "masterpiece" or an "extraordinary film." The story's good, but it definitely isn't good enough to constitute a great piece of cinema. I didn't like the fact that they made it seem like not a moment went by in any of their lives after the event occurred when they weren't thinking about it...I mean, really, the fact that James McAvoy seemed to do nothing but sit around and think about Keira Knightley and vice versa even though they only had a little thing going on for a couple of days just didn't work for me. But really, everything that Joe Wright did was wonderful. I think he deserves an Oscar nom for his work. That ten minute tracking scene was fantastic, every image was beautifully constructed, and the film had some damn good editing and pacing. It just wasn't supported by a strong enough story to be a truly great film.
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Shack
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Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40592
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I pretty much agree billy.
It's a good film, but I just never got estatic about it. The Robbie and Cecilia romance itself felt pretty overdone... I didn't think they had tremendous chemistry and as much as they talked about loving each other, I didn't really buy into it. Knightley and MacAvoy are fine and all, but they still kind of felt like 21st century characters in the period piece setting. I think that was one of my bigger problems, in Pride and Prejudice Wright absolutely nailed the time period, charm, and AURA of that time period... the people in that movie belonged there. I never felt anything close to that in Atonement. In terms of feeling like a real family, the Bennetts blow the Tallis family out the water, there's really no competition at all actually.
I think all 3 Briony's are excellent(including Romola Garai, who has been severly overlooked in the buzz over Ronan and Redgrave), and I liked the original idea of her obviously lusting for romance or love and by not getting it herself, she lives it through Cecilia and Robbie. However I wasn't as emotionally impacted with the final speech and overall guilt of Briony in the last half of the film as I wanted to be. I wasn't shedding tears.
Technically it's one of the year's finest. Beautiful cinematography, editing, set and costume work. There's definitley flashes of brilliance here from Wright, obviously the Dunkirk scene is the most mentioned example, but I also loved Robbie saving Briony in that river, Robbie's final resting place, the movie theatre, and the underwater Keira bit, among others. I think he has a bright future, this isn't his masterpiece or anything, but it's a solid entry for a young director.
3/5
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Jmart
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Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:47 am Posts: 21230 Location: Massachusetts
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Well, for someone who wasn't expecting much going in, I have to say that I'm very impressed that it was able to keep my attention throughout the entire film. As a matter of fact, I really, really enjoyed the film. I think it's the second best film of the year in terms of a technical aspect (NCFOM beats it). The lighting, sound, camera shot selection, and musical score are all masterful. A couple of things keep it from being a truly great film though. It all started with a cunt? What?  That was the tipping point that created the lust and love between Robbie and Cecilia? I mean I buy into the fact that their relationship had been building up to that time, but Cecilia is kind of kinky. I guess my problem is that there's just not much of a setup there. McAvoy and Knightley ultimately convinced me that their characters were truly in love, but we're just kind of thrown into it. It's a small complaint with me though. Then there's Romola Garai as the middle Briony. She's okay, but she's not really interesting. She didn't seem to have much of an ability to emote real well. As I said, she's passable, but someone else probably could've been found. Then again, it might have been her character and not her. Once again, it's another small complaint. The last 15 minutes though are what bring this film out of the "good film" territory, into the almost "great film" territory. The ending works perfectly, and although I picked up on what might be going on, sometime during the middle of the film (I think when Robbie sees his mother), it still worked for me. Actually, this is where the musical score provides a big clue for the film's reveal. I liked that. And when all the light seemed to disappear around her during her confession, exactly like when it did when she was supposed to be 13 when she made her first "confession" - perfect. What can I say? I didn't expect to like it, but when all was said and done, I really enjoyed it. And now it finds a spot in my top ten, something I did not expect at all. ***½
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Shack
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Yeah, I was surprised when "cunt" came up too. I didn't even know they used that word a sixty years ago. Oh and I forgot to mention the score... one of the best of this year for sure, the typewriter was great but I think I liked the regular melody even more.
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Alex Y.
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It just hit me, the main musical theme of Atonement sounds very similar the beginning of Muse's "Take a Bow". Anyone else notice the resemblance?
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insomniacdude
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Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:00 pm Posts: 5868
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Hm. I think I'm in the "gorgeous and technically brilliant, but overall meh" camp. The score was really good, and I loved how it meshed in with the environment on-screen. The cinematography was...just stunning. The shot on the beach is one of the most interesting shots I've seen in a long time. However, I wasn't THAT impressed with the acting (it was all good, but nothing award-worthy). The movie takes a long time to get going with an EXCRUCIATING first act. It took me three tries to finally get past it (yeah, I downloaded it  ). However, I did enjoy the ending. A lot. It makes a lot of the things that I didn't like earlier in the movie cast a different light in my mind. I might need to rewatch this to see if the knowledge of the ending might change my opinion, but I have lots of movies to watch and not a whole lot of time to do it so that might take a while. Until then, the movie gets a B.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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This actually sounds like a movie I'd really like as I am a sap for visual art in movies and period pieces.
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insomniacdude
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Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:00 pm Posts: 5868
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: This actually sounds like a movie I'd really like as I am a sap for visual art in movies and period pieces. Definitely. I think everyone should see it regardless of how I feel. There is some really great stuff here, and one person might be able to connect with it on a level where I did not. And it's not like it's a bad movie either. Just a bit overhyped by the "Atonies".
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bABA
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I've been told not to give this movie an F so i'm giving it a D.
Bored out of my mind. While watching this, this clip came to my mind.
[youtube2]http://youtube.com/watch?v=TjC3R6jOtUo[/youtube2]
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Squee
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I don't really know what grade to give this movie. It was disjointed and I never got into it, barring one 15 minute stretch in the middle.
For that one 15 minute stretch (starting with the beach): ********** stars
For the rest of it... **
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Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:26 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Squee wrote: I don't really know what grade to give this movie. It was disjointed and I never got into it, barring one 15 minute stretch in the middle.
For that one 15 minute stretch (starting with the beach): ********** stars
For the rest of it... ** 10 stars and 2 stars... which averages out to 6 stars. Wow, Squee gave this film 6 stars! It must be REALLY good! Thanks Squee, I'm going to see it now! Peace, Mike
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Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:36 pm |
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Squee
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The 2 stars is weighted.
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Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:53 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Squee wrote: The 2 stars is weighted. And once again my humour fails... Peace, Mike
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Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:17 pm |
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Squee
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:01 pm Posts: 13270 Location: Yuppieville
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MikeQ. wrote: Squee wrote: The 2 stars is weighted. And once again my humour fails... Peace, Mike Or does mine? 
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Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:21 pm |
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insomniacdude
I just lost the game
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Squee wrote: For that one 15 minute stretch (starting with the beach): ********** stars That single scene on the beach is well worthy of 10 stars alone.
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Dr. Lecter
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It is probably visually the most appealing film of 2007, well, maabe the 2nd-most appealing (behind Jesse James).
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