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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:48 pm Posts: 11019
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 Re: Atonement
thompsoncory wrote: makeshift wrote: I loved this movie.
I was completely floored by how meta it was, something I was not anticipating at all. It's funny, while I was watching that climactic scene between Briony, Cecilia and Robbie, I could feel that there was something off. Everything from the camera, to the character's behavior, to the performances were slightly off-kilter. So when it's revealed that it was imagined by Briony for her novel Atonement, it made perfect sense. She was reflecting her expectations of that situation, not the reality of it. That is a shining example of a filmmaker having masterful control over their work.
I loved the score and the way it became a part of the environment of the movie itself. Everything from the typewriter, to the plucking of piano strings, to the beating of an umbrella on the hood of a car either mesh into the score or signal the end of it. Incredible, and in viewed in context with the ending makes perfect sense.
I loved the exploration of different perspectives, how events change from person to person. The editing in particular during these scenes is fantastic.
I loved the dichotomy of the two halves, and how they apply to the characters and the events on screen. The first half is mesmerizing and taut, while the second half kind of wanders and languishes.
I loved the one-take, which was obviously brilliant for its technical prowess, but subtlety brilliant in the way it wasn't showy and served an actual purpose to the film. When the shot ends overlooking the beach from the rail next to the bar, it gives us a birds eye view of the carnage and anarchy we've just snaked our way through. It's a far greater "YOU ARE THERE" aesthetic than anything Spielberg put together in Private Ryan, and it's not as obvious.
I loved the raw, unkempt look the movie took on frequently. The hand held camera, the harsh and naturalistic lighting, the jump cuts. It was a nice balance to the painterly look the rest of the film had, and it was used appropriately, mostly during shifted perspective moments.
I didn't find it the be overly emotional, but I'm not sure that was entirely the point. I think this movie is far more about narrative structure and character perception than trying to craft an audience friendly tear-jerker. I really think it's one of the best novel adaptations I've ever seen because it does such a tremendous job of incorporating the feeling of a story being told.  Welcome to the " Atonement is amazing" fan club makeshift. We're glad to have you  I'd say that's an appropriate punishment.
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makeshift
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
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yoshue wrote: I'd say that's an appropriate punishment. What's that supposed to mean?
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:48 pm Posts: 11019
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makeshift wrote: yoshue wrote: I'd say that's an appropriate punishment. What's that supposed to mean? Whatever you think it might mean, that's what it means. You know, when I saw your name, I got all tingly and excited. I thought, now makeshift, there's a good guy. Stand up bloke, head on straight, not like the others. He no doubt gave the movie an eloquent, dismissive slap to the face. Instead I get eloquence, but not in the manner deserved. Damnit. I guess I forgot about your affinity for DePalma and other similarly meta crap. Lemme guess...Femme Fatale...that a winner, makeshift? 
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torrino
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yoshue wrote: Oh, goddamnit, makeshift.  You got owned, bud. I still don't get it. Why did you dig this the first time, and somehow add it to the "shittiest movies of the year" pile the second time around? I just realized, too...when you argued the other day that a good screenplay involves more than dialogue, well, you're right. Especially if it's an adaptation. In which case, you, once again, cannot blame Atonement's screenwriters, because the mere fact that you even followed this movie's plot speaks volumes about the screenplay's quality. Read another McEwan book and tell me if you have any ideas for translating it to the film. McEwan isn't John Grisham, Agatha Christie, Nora Roberts, or even Nick Hornby (one of my favorite current authors). On top of that, this is nearly 100% faithful to the book. Which I encourage you to read. Glad you liked it, makeshift. I'm getting sick of the negativity here - it's clear to me that some people's reviews here are affected by what the review above says, and whether they respect that poster or not.
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torrino
College Boy T
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yoshue wrote: Femme Fatale First time I ever played hooky in HS, I went to see Femme Fatale. Bad, bad call.
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:48 pm Posts: 11019
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I think you misunderstood my first post, torri, and perhaps that was my fault. I didn't like it the first time, I disliked it. I then rewatched it to see what I missed, only to find it more confounding the second time around.
You know, I don't hate the entire movie, although I do hate that endless first third. The whole enterprise just makes me shrug...I don't get it.
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
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I will neither confirm nor deny my love for Femme Fatale.
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torrino
College Boy T
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:52 pm Posts: 16020
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I mean, it wasn't as bad as that random Lucy Liu/Antonio Banderas joint that came out in '02.
But it was farrrrrrrr from good.
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:48 pm Posts: 11019
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da torri wrote: yoshue wrote: Femme Fatale First time I ever played hooky in HS, I went to see Femme Fatale. Bad, bad call. Ouch. The first part in Cannes aside, that's enough to make anyone love Calculus. makeshift wrote: I will neither confirm nor deny my love for Femme Fatale. 
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torrino
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:52 pm Posts: 16020
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We bought a ticket for The Santa Clause 2, intending to sneak into 8 Mile.
Unfortunately, we couldn't even sneak into 8 Mile - that's how crazy that movie was opening weekend in my town. My predominately white, yuppie town.
So we saw Femme Fatale instead.
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android
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Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:44 am Posts: 2913 Location: Portugal
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Femme Fatale is brilliant. Brilliant.
I'm still kinda surprised makeshift is in the "Atonies" gang. In a good way. I expected yoshue to love this more than makeshift honestly.
As for the overly emotional aspect, it wasn't exactly your typical tear-jerker, but I hope I wasn't the only one to cry in the last few moments...like, I haven't cried in a movie since The Fountain, I think - at least this much. That's what's so fascinating about this (and the novel I presume): it works both as a study on how art and narrative can change reality, and as a love story destroyed by one small lie, or how can words change the rest of your life. But those who focus solely on the love story, well... it's a shame. Unfortunately, the "this might be too cerebral for the Academy who expected just The English Patient Part 2" argument might be just right. (Nothing against The English Patient - it's also among my favorite films. ) I mean, the movie suddenly cuts from 1940 to 1999, where we have the character in the final minutes saying that most of what you've seen, didn't really happen or didn't happen EXACTLY as it was seen. Because we can argue that only the main facts on that day remain intact, but everything was more "embelished". That's not exactly your usual oscar winner, maybe a screenplay winner.
And the "come back to me" lines are sooo novelistic. Eheh.
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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If Atonement gets almost completely snubbed at the Oscars like I'm predicting, I will be pretty sad.
I love this film and want to see it again.
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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makeshift wrote: I loved the score and the way it became a part of the environment of the movie itself. Everything from the typewriter, to the plucking of piano strings, to the beating of an umbrella on the hood of a car either mesh into the score or signal the end of it.
That was definitely excellent.
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MadGez
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Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23385 Location: Melbourne Australia
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I doubt this will win more than 2 oscars - probably costume design and score. It should win cinematography but wont. But no wins in the major cats.
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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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Libs wrote: If Atonement gets almost completely snubbed at the Oscars like I'm predicting, I will be pretty sad.
I love this film and want to see it again. I feel the same way.
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Jonathan
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:07 pm Posts: 14737 Location: The Present (Duh)
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makeshift wrote: I loved this movie.
I was completely floored by how meta it was, something I was not anticipating at all. It's funny, while I was watching that climactic scene between Briony, Cecilia and Robbie, I could feel that there was something off. Everything from the camera, to the character's behavior, to the performances were slightly off-kilter. So when it's revealed that it was imagined by Briony for her novel Atonement, it made perfect sense. She was reflecting her expectations of that situation, not the reality of it. That is a shining example of a filmmaker having masterful control over their work.
I loved the score and the way it became a part of the environment of the movie itself. Everything from the typewriter, to the plucking of piano strings, to the beating of an umbrella on the hood of a car either mesh into the score or signal the end of it. Incredible, and in viewed in context with the ending makes perfect sense.
I loved the exploration of different perspectives, how events change from person to person. The editing in particular during these scenes is fantastic.
I loved the dichotomy of the two halves, and how they apply to the characters and the events on screen. The first half is mesmerizing and taut, while the second half kind of wanders and languishes.
I loved the one-take, which was obviously brilliant for its technical prowess, but subtlety brilliant in the way it wasn't showy and served an actual purpose to the film. When the shot ends overlooking the beach from the rail next to the bar, it gives us a birds eye view of the carnage and anarchy we've just snaked our way through. It's a far greater "YOU ARE THERE" aesthetic than anything Spielberg put together in Private Ryan, and it's not as obvious.
I loved the raw, unkempt look the movie took on frequently. The hand held camera, the harsh and naturalistic lighting, the jump cuts. It was a nice balance to the painterly look the rest of the film had, and it was used appropriately, mostly during shifted perspective moments.
I didn't find it the be overly emotional, but I'm not sure that was entirely the point. I think this movie is far more about narrative structure and character perception than trying to craft an audience friendly tear-jerker. I really think it's one of the best novel adaptations I've ever seen because it does such a tremendous job of incorporating the feeling of a story being told. I think this just about sums up what I adored about this. Once it was over I found myself talking with the crying ladies in front of me just because I wanted to share my sheer love for what I just saw. Afterwards when I was in my car, I found myself randomly yelling "I fucking LOVE this movie!" just because it's so damn near perfect. If it weren't for my ever-growing love for NCFOM I would declare this my favorite film of the year. Between P&P and now this Joe Wright is a motherfucking GOD. I LOVE LOVE LOVE this movie. ****
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Alex Y.
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This is the best movie of 2007.
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Ripper
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I never bought that Briony actually felt any feel guilt. The actress playing her in the middle part just did not convey much to me.
Cee and Robbie were far more interesting characters, and 20 minutes of screen time does not Knightley lead. She and McVoy were both good, in fact they sold me more on the love story then the book (I read the first 120 pages).
It was a beautifully shot film, but it did not work for me.
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Dr. Lecter
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That's weird, for me the whole guilt and atonement part of Briony's character worked much better than the believable, but not very engaging love sory of Robbie and Cecilia.
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In the book, they jsut tell you Robbie and Cee are in love, in the movie the characters have chemistry, so I could buy it more.
But Briony speech at the end, this is what I could give them, it came off as more, this is what I could give me, it gives them nothing, it all for her.
She came across the same as she did as a child, were it is all about writing her story, she still as self absorbed as she was at 13.
All sorts of things make no sense,why does she even confide in Lola? She wanted to kill that girl for ruining. And Lola's marriage (were did this come from), and the stupid oh now that they are married seh can't testify, ugh.
Briony in the middle looked bored not sad and upset over the lives she had ruined.
I never brought her desire to atone for lying. Beautifully shot, but hollow film for me.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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Goodness, what a soulless movie. Even the great technical achievements are lifeless (that one-shot scene on the beach was too obviously trying to impress the audience way too much).
The acting was ok. Kiera and James had no chemistry. My cats and I show each other more emotion. The young Briony is the only standout acting wise for me.
Thematically, it was all over the place. I get what the interview at the end was all about, but it still was just an awkward way to tell us (the movie goer) that the whole movie was her account of events. The "war is horrible" commentary was horrobly done.
Can't believe Globes just gave it an award. NCFOM and TWBB must have split votes.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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loyalfromlondon wrote: C+ Just didn't move me. Pretty sets, pretty cinematography, pretty cast, and a pretty dull story. Am I broken?  ha. Is this the first movie we agree on?? Yay!
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23385 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Good to see a few more people who didnt really dig it. The Golden Globe win is just silly. But I bet this is the type of film the Academy will award too. 
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billybobwashere
He didn't look busy?!
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:59 pm Posts: 4308
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hey, Babel was even more weakly received than this from the film crowd, and it was ignored at the Oscars. Considering we aren't even sure if this'll get nominated, I'd say its chances at a win are pretty small right now.
I do wanna see this, though.
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billybobwashere
He didn't look busy?!
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I can't think of anything to complain about with this film. The actors did their jobs well (especially Vanessa Redgrave in her short performance), the film was visually stunning, and Joe Wright's direction was just magnifique, but I'm not sure this ever could have been a "masterpiece" or an "extraordinary film." The story's good, but it definitely isn't good enough to constitute a great piece of cinema. I didn't like the fact that they made it seem like not a moment went by in any of their lives after the event occurred when they weren't thinking about it...I mean, really, the fact that James McAvoy seemed to do nothing but sit around and think about Keira Knightley and vice versa even though they only had a little thing going on for a couple of days just didn't work for me. But really, everything that Joe Wright did was wonderful. I think he deserves an Oscar nom for his work. That ten minute tracking scene was fantastic, every image was beautifully constructed, and the film had some damn good editing and pacing. It just wasn't supported by a strong enough story to be a truly great film.
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