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BKB_The_Man wrote:
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Looks rubbish if that is him


Yeah well, that's him.. :-k Bottom line on the 5th installment of BATMAN for me is keeping it real and keeping my expectations low, that way, maybe I'll enjoy this more than what I've seen of this movie in terms of Pics.. :wink:


No it isnt him. and it looks poor.

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The Hulk opened to over 60 Million so it's pretty clear that bad WOM killed this movie not the 100% CGI Hulk.


It opened to 60 Million and died because no one had seen what the HULK actually looked like, people outside the internet world that is, that didn't even know a HULK movie was coming out and when they found out, they thought it was Lou Ferrigno as the title character, NOT A CGI CREATION and as a result, they didn't embrace it or anything this character did in the movie like Jumping for Miles, running fast, etc.. That folks is why this movie didn't do well and dropped as fast as it did... 90% of the audience that seen this opening weekend only recognize Lou Ferrigno as the HULK and they wouldn't have it any other way.. The average moviegoer once again as I have to explain this for the umpteenth time, didn't read HULK comics and didn't know this character was able to do the things he did and ONLY recognized Ferrigno as the title character from the TV series.. 90% of the audience that seen this movie opening weekend were fucking Baby Boomers who grew up on that show and they thought they were getting a total recreation of the show, not a comicbook adaptation and a CGI Creation.. That's it in a nutshell, PERIOD.. :roll:


Personally, I don't know ANYONE who thought Ferrigno is going to be The Hulk in the movie...

Well but hey, I won't be able to change your opinion no matter what I say, right? :lol:


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Theres a good chance the real scarecrow will never be seen in the trailers. Johnathan Crane, till the very end of the movie, does not become the scarecrow though he does have a sort of a mask throughout the movie.


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Riggs27 wrote:
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The Hulk opened to over 60 Million so it's pretty clear that bad WOM killed this movie not the 100% CGI Hulk.


It opened to 60 Million and died because no one had seen what the HULK actually looked like, people outside the internet world that is, that didn't even know a HULK movie was coming out and when they found out, they thought it was Lou Ferrigno as the title character, NOT A CGI CREATION and as a result, they didn't embrace it or anything this character did in the movie like Jumping for Miles, running fast, etc.. That folks is why this movie didn't do well and dropped as fast as it did... 90% of the audience that seen this opening weekend only recognize Lou Ferrigno as the HULK and they wouldn't have it any other way.. The average moviegoer once again as I have to explain this for the umpteenth time, didn't read HULK comics and didn't know this character was able to do the things he did and ONLY recognized Ferrigno as the title character from the TV series.. 90% of the audience that seen this movie opening weekend were fucking Baby Boomers who grew up on that show and they thought they were getting a total recreation of the show, not a comicbook adaptation and a CGI Creation.. That's it in a nutshell, PERIOD.. :roll:


Personally, I don't know ANYONE who thought Ferrigno is going to be The Hulk in the movie...

Well but hey, I won't be able to change your opinion no matter what I say, right? :lol:

If my english is good enough you just gave him right in that people were aware that Hulk will be CGI. :lol:

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BKB_The_Man wrote:
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The Hulk opened to over 60 Million so it's pretty clear that bad WOM killed this movie not the 100% CGI Hulk.


It opened to 60 Million and died because no one had seen what the HULK actually looked like, people outside the internet world that is, that didn't even know a HULK movie was coming out and when they found out, they thought it was Lou Ferrigno as the title character, NOT A CGI CREATION and as a result, they didn't embrace it or anything this character did in the movie like Jumping for Miles, running fast, etc.. That folks is why this movie didn't do well and dropped as fast as it did... 90% of the audience that seen this opening weekend only recognize Lou Ferrigno as the HULK and they wouldn't have it any other way.. [b]The average moviegoer once again as I have to explain this for the umpteenth time, didn't read HULK comics and didn't know this character was able to do the things he did and ONLY recognized Ferrigno as the title character from the TV series.. 90% of the audience that seen this movie opening weekend were fucking Baby Boomers who grew up on that show and they thought they were getting a total recreation of the show, not a comicbook adaptation and a CGI Creation.. That's it in a nutshell, PERIOD.. :roll: [/b]


i didnt know anyone that thought Lou Ferrigno was the title character. :roll: It hasn't got anything to do with reading the comic book, it just wasn't a good movie. I have never read a spiderman or x-men comic but i liked these movies, they were widely liked, the Hulk wasn't.
And, im pretty sure 90% of the audience weren't the type who grew up on the 70's show. More like young kids; 8-15year olds.

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Hulk rocked power hard.


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hans wrote:
i didnt know anyone that thought Lou Ferrigno was the title character. :roll: It hasn't got anything to do with reading the comic book, it just wasn't a good movie. I have never read a spiderman or x-men comic but i liked these movies, they were widely liked, the Hulk wasn't.
And, im pretty sure 90% of the audience weren't the type who grew up on the 70's show. More like young kids; 8-15year olds.

Yeah, the majority of the public just didn't like that much what they saw, it's as easy as that.

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BKB is truly full of shit. ](*,)

He keeps saying no one outside of net nerds even know that Batman Begins is being released. Yet, every time Liam and Morgan were interviewed last weekend, that was the next question they were asked about following Kinsey and Million Dollar Baby. It's all about Batman Begins.


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Nazgul9 wrote:
Riggs27 wrote:
BKB_The_Man wrote:
Riggs27 wrote:
The Hulk opened to over 60 Million so it's pretty clear that bad WOM killed this movie not the 100% CGI Hulk.


It opened to 60 Million and died because no one had seen what the HULK actually looked like, people outside the internet world that is, that didn't even know a HULK movie was coming out and when they found out, they thought it was Lou Ferrigno as the title character, NOT A CGI CREATION and as a result, they didn't embrace it or anything this character did in the movie like Jumping for Miles, running fast, etc.. That folks is why this movie didn't do well and dropped as fast as it did... 90% of the audience that seen this opening weekend only recognize Lou Ferrigno as the HULK and they wouldn't have it any other way.. The average moviegoer once again as I have to explain this for the umpteenth time, didn't read HULK comics and didn't know this character was able to do the things he did and ONLY recognized Ferrigno as the title character from the TV series.. 90% of the audience that seen this movie opening weekend were fucking Baby Boomers who grew up on that show and they thought they were getting a total recreation of the show, not a comicbook adaptation and a CGI Creation.. That's it in a nutshell, PERIOD.. :roll:


Personally, I don't know ANYONE who thought Ferrigno is going to be The Hulk in the movie...

Well but hey, I won't be able to change your opinion no matter what I say, right? :lol:

If my english is good enough you just gave him right in that people were aware that Hulk will be CGI. :lol:


Really? #-o :-$


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Riggs27 wrote:
Really? #-o :-$

Did he not? :oops:

He said "I don't know ANYONE who thought Ferrigno is going to be The Hulk in the movie", not " I don't know ANYONE who thought Ferrigno isn't going to be The Hulk in the movie".

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loyalfromlondon wrote:
BKB is truly full of shit. ](*,)

He keeps saying no one outside of net nerds even know that Batman Begins is being released. Yet, every time Liam and Morgan were interviewed last weekend, that was the next question they were asked about following Kinsey and Million Dollar Baby. It's all about Batman Begins.


Thats what I say. BKB you seem to be skimming through our points that Batman HAS awareness outside the net like Loyallondon has said. Its trailer has been shown a few times during The Village and O12's screenings, they all seem to get good reaction. As Loyal has mentioned, there are a few times when Liam and Morgan has been questioned about Batman and not to mention I have seen the Batman Begins costume on the cover of a few magazines while shopping. As far as the Batman sequels being a failure, when has your opinion of a movie ever qualifies Batman Forever as a bomb? I didnt like the movie either but it did make alot of money. For your information, I always thought that when Michael Keaton was cast as Batman, he was too old to be playing him (he was 37 when he was cast), he also had this child molester look about him. I agree about Clooney being miscast but Val Kilmer fit the Batman personal perfectly. I still loved the original Batman more


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More news.

Almost all major theatres (and i've been to 4 cities now) have the batman preview posters up. and almost exclusively without other posters being around it ... much like Ep3


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I don't see how this is a fake.


Looks kinda real to me.


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mansonmyers wrote:
I don't see how this is a fake.


Looks kinda real to me.




Th picture is a manip of an actual scarecrow concept someone made (which was pretty good). the person in question added a hat and a couple of touches and put this into the image.


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BKB_The_Man wrote:
It opened to 60 Million and died because no one had seen what the HULK actually looked like, people outside the internet world that is, that didn't even know a HULK movie was coming out and when they found out, they thought it was Lou Ferrigno as the title character, NOT A CGI CREATION and as a result, they didn't embrace it or anything this character did in the movie like Jumping for Miles, running fast, etc.. That folks is why this movie didn't do well and dropped as fast as it did... 90% of the audience that seen this opening weekend only recognize Lou Ferrigno as the HULK and they wouldn't have it any other way.. The average moviegoer once again as I have to explain this for the umpteenth time, didn't read HULK comics and didn't know this character was able to do the things he did and ONLY recognized Ferrigno as the title character from the TV series.. 90% of the audience that seen this movie opening weekend were fucking Baby Boomers who grew up on that show and they thought they were getting a total recreation of the show, not a comicbook adaptation and a CGI Creation.. That's it in a nutshell, PERIOD..


What about the audience who embraced the 1989 Batman despite it being completely different from the 60's TV show?

What do you think happened? Large groups of people walked out of the movie saying "Wow, that was one great film! Entertaining, dramatic, thrilling, filled with terrific CG and daring performances. It's just a shame I can't embrace it because it's so markedly different from an earlier television incarnation of the same character..." Audiences would have embraced it regardless of how different it turned out to be from their expectations if it was actually any good.

And if Hulk is as perfect an adaptation of the comic book as you say it is, then that's got to be one boring, overlong, up itself comic book.


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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Batman Begins looks quite "meh" right now. I think this is appealing to internet users shall we say, way way more than public audiences. Its relying too much on anticipation for a film series that has been notoriously mashed to peices and needs to pull out all the stops, and be critically praised [although knowing internet fanboyism, the netcritic segment is practically sold right now anyway] to avoid bad box office figures. But i do have the feeling it will be frontloaded as hell. Batman films, while ive enjoyed some of them, have never really been a big deal for me. I guess its because the closest thing im a fanboy to is J.G.


It seems to be going the way of darkness - and look at Elektra, The Punisher et all, mainstream dark movies rarely if ever do well, because they try to take themselves too seriously - an error a blockbuster should never make.
Look at Pirates of the Caribbean, one of the biggest hits in history and it was all because it was entertaining, well acted and writen and at its core it was a spoof of pirate films, just layered up as a pirate film in its own right.

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Nah, a film

SHOULDN'T


have to send itself up to appeal to the average joe



THE ONE AHMED JOHNSON IS SCREAMINGLY DELIGHTED


That hallowed tales like LOTR, Spiderman X-men (and now it appears, Batman too)



ARE BEING TREATED WITH THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE


No knowing winks to the audience etc =D>

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BKB_The_Man wrote:
Riggs27 wrote:
The Hulk opened to over 60 Million so it's pretty clear that bad WOM killed this movie not the 100% CGI Hulk.


It opened to 60 Million and died because no one had seen what the HULK actually looked like, people outside the internet world that is, that didn't even know a HULK movie was coming out and when they found out, they thought it was Lou Ferrigno as the title character, NOT A CGI CREATION and as a result, they didn't embrace it or anything this character did in the movie like Jumping for Miles, running fast, etc.. That folks is why this movie didn't do well and dropped as fast as it did... 90% of the audience that seen this opening weekend only recognize Lou Ferrigno as the HULK and they wouldn't have it any other way.. The average moviegoer once again as I have to explain this for the umpteenth time, didn't read HULK comics and didn't know this character was able to do the things he did and ONLY recognized Ferrigno as the title character from the TV series.. 90% of the audience that seen this movie opening weekend were fucking Baby Boomers who grew up on that show and they thought they were getting a total recreation of the show, not a comicbook adaptation and a CGI Creation.. That's it in a nutshell, PERIOD.. :roll:


You need to get off the Pipe, thats the stupidest thing i've ever read on these forums yet.

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BKB I've never seen a 70s' episode of The Hulk and I still knew the movie blew ass.


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I think no one right now can really tell what the normal public thinks ... the main marketing has been focussed over the internet ... and in the past 2 months only has the main push towards the average audience. ...


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loyalfromlondon wrote:
BKB is truly full of shit. ](*,)

He keeps saying no one outside of net nerds even know that Batman Begins is being released. Yet, every time Liam and Morgan were interviewed last weekend, that was the next question they were asked about following Kinsey and Million Dollar Baby. It's all about Batman Begins.

I dunno. I don't think the awareness is super-high that there is a new Batman film yet. I think if you watch Entertainment Tonight or E! regularly then you probably know, but I don't expect the general public to start caring about Batman until after the Superbowl.


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Naturalflux7 wrote:
Batman Begins looks quite "meh" right now. I think this is appealing to internet users shall we say, way way more than public audiences. Its relying too much on anticipation for a film series that has been notoriously mashed to peices and needs to pull out all the stops, and be critically praised [although knowing internet fanboyism, the netcritic segment is practically sold right now anyway] to avoid bad box office figures. But i do have the feeling it will be frontloaded as hell. Batman films, while ive enjoyed some of them, have never really been a big deal for me. I guess its because the closest thing im a fanboy to is J.G.


It seems to be going the way of darkness - and look at Elektra, The Punisher et all, mainstream dark movies rarely if ever do well, because they try to take themselves too seriously - an error a blockbuster should never make.
Look at Pirates of the Caribbean, one of the biggest hits in history and it was all because it was entertaining, well acted and writen and at its core it was a spoof of pirate films, just layered up as a pirate film in its own right.


Thank You.. EXACTLY and it is the Internet World that's overhyping the hell out of this, not the general public.. As for all this HULK Brouhaha?? Blow it out your asses.. In the end, regardless if what I said was the truth(and it was), then your obviously not going to believe that, but only what you folks want to believe.. Like it or not, YES, The audience for the HULK was alot of Baby Boomers and YES, most people thought Ferrigno was gonna be the title character and NOT fucking CGI.. The End.. ](*,) =D>

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Its just that everyones getting super excited over quite a mediocre logo/poster and a few short teasers that make Batman look like a drama movie rather than an action one. Audiences that will be targeted here aren't looking for gut wrenching drama, they want cool special effects, a good enough storyline, some decent acting and a bit of light humour here and there.

They could have comprimised without going campy in the way of previous Batman films.

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Naturalflux7 wrote:
Its just that everyones getting super excited over quite a mediocre logo/poster and a few short teasers that make Batman look like a drama movie rather than an action one. Audiences that will be targeted here aren't looking for gut wrenching drama, they want cool special effects, a good enough storyline, some decent acting and a bit of light humour here and there.

They could have comprimised without going campy in the way of previous Batman films.


I predict Roger Ebert to give BATMAN BEGINS Thumbs Down citing that it had to borrow from LOTR and 7 Years in Tibet with the Sword fighting and treking through the Mountains to put a potentially dying franchise back on the Map when they should've just stopped with the 1989 BATMAN which is the only true BATMAN film and Michael Keaton being the true essence of Bruce Wayne/Batman.. =D>

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