wow

After 3 somewhat underwhelming 2 hour finales from ABC, they FINALLY delivered.

More happened in this episode than the entire series thus far.

I won't list all the stuff again because it would be repeating what everyone has already posted. And instead I'll post something you guys haven't discussed...

For the first time now we have ventured into a real-(island)-time plotline outside the island. Possibly two! How are they going to incorporate Penny's search or at least even minimally follow up on thsi cliff-hanger. Her stpryline now doesn't relate to anything on the island and is not a flashback anymore. That's going to be quite interesting. Michael and Walt are the second potential storyline to veer away from the island. But I'm hearing what I like about them not being regulars next season (I don't even think they were regulars this season).

Is it just me or did anyone else for a split second think Penny was played by Ellen Pompeo when they showed first showed her at that stadium place?

Not only was the finale awesome, I think in retrospect, it improved the progression of the season. What we thought was just on-end pushing buttons and non-important flare ups, espcially with John, had a huge pay-off in store all along.

Can't wait for Season 3. I think, more than anything, why this finale was so good was because it set up ALOT of great story for season 3. I think next season's format will be amazing. I hope they give us a mini-cliffhanger for the 13 week break!

What did you guys make of the silent communication between Kate and Jack near the end just before the hoods were put on them? On other forums, some took it as a signal of affection and her acknowledging it and Sawyer being sort of "WTH are you two doing". Others took it as some sort of signal for a preplanned escape idea they had agreed on. I lean towards the first idea but not really sure.

The timeline for Lost is up on Wikipedia with correct dates. Being that numbers and such play in so much of the show.

http://tviv.org/Lost/Timeline_2

Live Together, Die Alone must have taken place on 11/28/2004.

November 28th is the 333rd day of the leap year calendar (2004 was a leap year), there are 33 days left in the year from that point. Just pointing out that 33:00 was on the clock, and is also of religious significance.

September 22nd... "In ancient Greece, the ninth and final day of the Eleusinian Mysteries, when the initiates made offerings to the dead."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries

Numbers are fun.

In regards to the Kate/jack look, i thought it was an escape related look and not romantic (though it was probably romantic). I was also hoping that Sayid, Jin, and Sun were going to show up on the boat to save Sawyer, Kate, and jack. I guess they still could next season. Sawyer just keeps getting removed from the group in the season finales, which i think sucks cause i like his interaction with everyone.

Overall i thought that this finale was better than last year's, as S1's didn't actually answer and questions at all. We got a few answers in regards to things this season, though lots more questions also.

I am glad that Charlie and Claire finally got to kiss, and that Sayid did not die as rumored. It would be nice if Sayid got to actually do something next season, just saying.

Also, i don't think that Locke, Eko, or Desmond is dead. I would buy into Desmond being dead but that would mean that Locke and Eko were dead too and there is no way that they killed Locke and Eko. No way.

I don't get what JJ Abrams was basing his "it's the best season finale for one of my shows ever" comments were about, as i can think of a couple of Alias finales that were better (S1 and S2, and i don't count S5's as it was a series finale, not season).

Back to Lost though, it has given me some hope to keep watching next season, so good for that.

The biggest "WTF" moment was the statue. Immediately I though of The Colossus of Rhodes (http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/wonders/colossus.html) another Greek connection maybe.

But the "4" toes.

Sayid was sharp in this episode.

I agree... more questions!!! What was that ststue? I have a feeling we will see other bits and pieces of it in coming seasons possibly by different characters. There's no way that was a random moment in the finale. I actually think it might play into the large end-game or core msytery of the island/show. But it's such a miniscule clue that we can make absolutely nothing of it yet.

That was monumental. Awesome.

It's just a shame that we had to wait so long for another really good episode. Doesn't really redeem the season for me, I don't think.

I also find it creepy that they are sailing around on a boat named after Libby.

I can see the Lost producers killing off Ana Lucia because... well... M.R. is in jail now. I don't think it was anything against her, but she was technically going to be made "unavailable" by her court troubles.

But I think the finale lends creedance to the idea that Libby was probably not going to live to see the boat wind up on the beach.

That has got to be among the sharpest observations yet.

I'm loving it!!!!!

I think overall no one will counter-argue that Season 1 was better. But to be honest, despite the so many so-so episodes in Season 2, the very beginning and the very end have made me the Lost fan I am today, so I hold this season in just as high value as the first even if only because of 5-7 stand out hours.

I will argue it


Personally, I thought Season 2 was better overall than Season 1. Season 1 started off brilliantly but kind of came and went but got REALLY strong near the end (but come on... Born to Run was a much worse lead in to Exodus than Three Minutes to Live Together, Die Alone).

I thought the island happenings were more interesting, I thought it was more tense and more creepy overall, and I really liked the new characters. Henry Gale's involvment, Maternity Leave, etc. The flashbacks, which don't usually bother me, were better. But overall, I love the characters as much as the plot. In the end, I thought the season was different enough so that I don't feel like Lost is overly repeating itself, which many shows tend to do. I thought the mystery of The Others would be killed when we actually saw them, but their weird, off-puting ways make me feel even more uneasy about them.

The only weak episodes I thought were Adrift - Abandoned, The Whole Truth and a little bit of Three Minutes.

There are different animals though. I appreciate the ways in which this show coninuously alters itself. For example, I really like how they answer questions with larger plot pieces and the answers almost always make sense within the context of the show and the fact that there was two or three big "what the fuck" moments in the show tonight.

I started Season 1 right before (and somewhat during) the first four weeks of Season 2. To me they meld together perfectly. I'm interested to see what I make of Season 3 as it's really the first large "break" I've had. In my obersvation, I haven't seen a big quality drop and could not pick out the different writers if you told me to. Sure, not every episode is fantastic, but there is just as much weakness in Season 1.

My only recommendation for Season 3 is I'd like to see at least 2 episodes for Sawyer, Sayid, Kate, Jack, Locke and at least 1 episode for the rest of them (including Bernard/Rose, Desmond, etc.). I think a little more Sayid involvment and a little more Sawyer vs. Jack tension and a little bit more Kate would have brought a little bit more of that Season 1 feel back to some of the people who didn't find as much in this season they liked.

What were the splotches on Michael near the end? Has he caught the often talked about mysterious island disease?

Go to http://www.thehansofoundation.org

Click on 'Executive Bios'. The click on 'Board of Directors'. There you will see a person named "Liddy Wales" with a question mark instead of the photograph. Liddy sounds like Libby. As it happens, Libby is the only Lostie whose last name we don't know (check IMDB).

And here's the Widmore family

Oh boy, that's far from reality. The shitty finale only added credence that season 2 has been completely off the mark. Somehow the WTF moment from last night was misconstrued here and turned into some sort of KJ lovefest.

According to reports, they (the producers) were doing major pick ups and reshoots as late as last week. They constantly add and change and evolve the show because it has no direction. Who fucking cares about Penny and Desmond?

I'll respectfully disagree. I love all these twists, I just hope Lost the series doesn't get buried under them. As for season 2, I do feel that it would've been much better if Michael and Walt were killed on the raft.

Funny you say that, I half expected some sort of explosion. But that would be too clear cut, too sensible of a narrative for Lost.

You and your naysaying about every fucking topic is getting tiring and is one of the major reasons I no longer really participate at WOKJ.

The show has always shown major signs of direction and always has a tight shooting schedule. There is a level of flexibility built into the show but you have no evidence that they went in and structurally changed the major narrative to points in the story.

Loyal, your posts smack of a disappointment that the show is not going in the way you want it to. You really should just stop watching.

*I care about Desmond*.

BRAVO!!!

Sometimes I wonder if everyone who watches tv need a map with color coded lines and circles overlayed about every minute detail to understand it. People act incensed that a tv show would actually leave you to think on your own devices some times. It's ridiculous.

How temp is temp? At what point will it become andaroo.perm?

Well... these folks always have 24. Because god-knows the mystery can't last beyond one season.

If it were up to people like Loyal and Baba, every single question would have been answered in the series finale and this show would turn into something like Twin Peaks after they revealed who killed Laura Palmer.

Never at this rate.

Funny, sometimes I wonder if everyone who watches tv can't tell the difference between shitty and quality storytelling.

If I can expedite the process, let me know. Please let me know.

The thing I wonder about is why people I thought were logical in the past can't wrap their mind around the relatively simple ideas and concepts that this show employs to push the story forward. It's not like its brain surgery. I actually wonder if you post the things you post lately because you are getting some sort of weird Felicity-like-piss out of seeing people's reactions.

I just think you are in a place where you are not enjoying it for whatever reason and have chosen to amplify every blemish (and every show has them) beyond proportion. Maybe it's fair that the opposite is said of me, that maybe I'm too forgiving. But I don't really think so? I can be critical when the show really deserves it in my vew.

But damn you for saying that I can't tell the difference between quality storytelling and not. It works for me, I enjoy it, it's tense and I love the characters. Which is more than I can say of any other television show at the moment except for one (Battlestar).