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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36949
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
Libs wrote: I feel like counting the number of tweets for Salt will be a totally pointless endeavor. It's called Salt, for goodness' sake. Totally agree and you can easily fudge the numbers by whatever you like to and prove your point (like he did there). I think we should stick to RS and MTC tracking this week for any indicators
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:08 pm |
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devon28flick
SO FETCH!
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:35 pm Posts: 309 Location: Sunnyside Daycare
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
Salt-47.3 Inception- 34.6 Despicable Me- 22.3 Ramona and Beezus- 14.4 The Sorcerer's Apprentice-9.3 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse-8.1 Toy Story 3-7.6 Grown Ups-6.7 The Last Airbender-4.5 Predators-3.0
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:09 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
Keyser Söze wrote: Libs wrote: I feel like counting the number of tweets for Salt will be a totally pointless endeavor. It's called Salt, for goodness' sake. even the generic string salt had 9000 tweets. alex looked at 200 of them and found only 16% referring to the movie. That is not scientific enough. still no doubt inception is crushing salt's buzz. I agree on this as well  Inception should be killing its buzz and with such great WOM I think Salt could be hurt very badly
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:09 pm |
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Bryan_smith
Cream of the Crop
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:13 pm Posts: 2120
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
Libs wrote: I feel like counting the number of tweets for Salt will be a totally pointless endeavor. It's called Salt, for goodness' sake. I completely agree. While twitter tracking was more on target last week than MTC, when it comes to a generic titled movie such as Salt, all bets are off. He himself said in his weekend write up that he isn't including searches for just "salt" meaning that anyone was says "I want to see salt this weekend" or "salt looks cool", all of their tweets are going uncounted. Sure, he might have done a sample of 200 tweets to see if he's be missing much from not including just "salt" searches in his search, however 200 is hardly a large sample when we are dealing in the thousands of tweets DAILY! I'm all for the twitter analysis adding an extra level of pre release tracking and awareness, but I think this week it just won't work...
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:14 pm |
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TrekFan1
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Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:23 am Posts: 287 Location: Virginia
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
Agreed with the above regarding tweet counts. That said, it's clear that Inception's buzz is vastly overshadowing that of Salt. The results are likely to be similar at the box office, especially considering Inception's outstanding Sunday and Monday decreases. Just a heads up, you know, for those who may be predicting Salt to take the weekend. Not saying it won't happen, just that it doesn't seem very likely.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:27 pm |
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Proud Ryu
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Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:36 pm Posts: 5322 Location: The Interstice
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Since twitter might be less helpful for Salt this weekend, here are some IMDB movie meters pre-open for you:
Salt: 17 Wanted: 8 Mr/Mrs Smith: 10 Bourne Id: 17 Bourne Sup: 10 Bourne Ult: 19 Inception: 4
Note sequels tend to rank worse relative to box office.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:41 pm |
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Gopher
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Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:25 pm Posts: 995
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I think we could see a photo finish between Salt and Inception this weekend. I think Salt is going to play really well with older folks, who didn't exactly come out in droves for Inception and, according to Cinemascore, didn't really care for the movie.
40m+ is on the table for both, but I'd like to see Inception's Tuesday hold before saying it's probable.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:21 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Salt will make about $37 mil.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:29 pm |
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Horlicks
Angels & Demons
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:37 am Posts: 240 Location: Toronto
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
The whole 200 tweet exercise is merely to show that the search string I am using on Twitter is working well (salt movie OR angelina OR jolie OR poster OR trailer OR screening OR film OR flick OR watch OR see). The 1,354 tweets that were counted was from this search string not the estimate. Over 50% of all movies I've tracked have not had a unique enough name to just search for the title alone. Much of the data the model is built on is using search filters just like the above.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:58 pm |
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conch22
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Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:57 am Posts: 330
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Thanks, Horlicks. Your tracking is awesome.  Do you think that SALT will open around the same as The A-TEAM?
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:55 pm |
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mdana
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Tony Stark wrote: INCEPTION: 37 Million 2nd weekend Um....that's a reasonable prediction. What's up? Yeah, WTF?
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:50 pm |
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mdana
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Libs wrote: JMorphin wrote: MTC tracking: SALT 36 million RAMONA AND BEEZUS 7 million
INCEPTION (-47%) Good tracking for Salt. About what I expected. Also encouraging for MTC to be predicting a decline of less than 50% for Inception, although considering they were so off on the film to begin with, not sure how much stock I'd place in it. They predicted 45% for Eclipse and it ended up at 51%, so mildly worrisome they predict a higher drop for Inception. This is something that will be interesting to watch and see, if it has much accuracy or is just an educated guess.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:05 pm |
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mdana
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Proud Ryu wrote: Since twitter might be less helpful for Salt this weekend, here are some IMDB movie meters pre-open for you:
Salt: 17 Wanted: 8 Mr/Mrs Smith: 10 Bourne Id: 17 Bourne Sup: 10 Bourne Ult: 19 Inception: 4
Note sequels tend to rank worse relative to box office. Can you send a link?
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:12 pm |
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bl1222
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This is off-topic but there is a comparison and it's about the inception 47% drop prediction. 5 years ago, I remember that MTC predicted a drop in the 40s for wedding crashers but it ended up dropping in the 20s like Charlie was predicted to drop 62% but that ended up dropping less than 50%. Here is the proof: Quote: xiayun wrote: Reel Source tracking (thanks to notfabio from HSX):
Accuracy last weekend Reel Source had a 58 million CFACT vs 56 actual Major Theatre Chain had 62 million vs 56 actual
Reel Source had a 28 million WEDCR vs 33 actual Major Theatre Chain had 29 million vs 33 actual
This weekend:
Reel Source Tracking ISLAND: 31 million BAD NEWS BEARS: 25 million HUSTLE AND FLOW: 4 million DEVILS REJECTS: 3 million
Major Us Theatre Chain BAD NEWS BEARS: 19 million ISLAND: 16 million HUSTLE AND FLOW: 9 million DEVILS REJECTS: 7 million
P.S. Predicted a 22 million weekend 2 (yes down 60%) for Charlie but only a 40% drop for Wedding
Again, the numbers here are just as unreliable as any other pre-release trackings. Just pass along the information. Here is the link about Charlie and Wedding: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=10662&start=50
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:17 pm |
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mdana
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
Mike wrote: Magception wrote: TrekFan1 wrote: I'll wait for Monday's grosses before predicting Inception, but I'm anticipating a less-than-43% drop. Star Trek dropped 42.8% following a $75m OW, I'm assuming Inception can drop a bit less given the smaller OW and the similar WOM. A. Add in the previews to Star Trek and it would have dropped over 45% B. May openings vs. July opening VERY different. A 45% drop in July is GREAT while only good in May. Not to say that Inception won't drop under 45% (I think it will), but ST isn't the best comparison. wrongturn687 wrote: Hmm what are the chances Inception can increase on it's opening weekend or atleast not drop below $50M ?  0% chance for both. Absolute best possible case would be 25% drop which is what WC got, which would lead to a 45m weekend. And that's like literally THE MAX. If it does more than that, I will eat my own shit and put it on YouTube. If it did that you could send me some of your shit and I'D eat it and put it on YouTube  . Don't do it! I think it might be a trick. I am not sure eating musty shit is a good thing, otherwise why would people state, "That's some stale shit." I always thought it sounded like it was bad. I don't think shit is like wine, where it gets better with age.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:25 pm |
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Chippy
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_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:41 pm |
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mdana
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wrongturn687 wrote: Also I just realized that this weekend could turn out alot like when Avatar went up against Sherlock Holmes in it's second week. Both movies had around the same demo, but Avatar still had that AMAZING WOM fueling it and was still able to coexist with SH. Except Avatar made most of its money from 3D and SH all from 2D. Avatar dropped 25% in 2D, compared to under 10% in 3D. If a movie opened in $40-45m (in SH's place) maybe it would have only dropped in the 15-20% range. Remember this movie Avatar had pretty good wom, too. They did not have to compete head to head as much. If Inception holds extremely, well that will cut into Salt some. If Salt opens well, that will cut into Inception's hold some. They can co-exist to some degree, but not the happy medium AV and SH had due to the 2D/3D split.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:56 pm |
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bl1222
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Magception wrote: Also remember that Avatar/SH was during the holiday season. Lot easier for films to co-exist. Agreed 
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:06 pm |
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bl1222
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I'm predicting Inception $37.5m and Salt at $36.2m.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:13 pm |
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Bryan_smith
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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:13 pm Posts: 2120
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 Re: July 23-25 Predictions
Horlicks wrote: The whole 200 tweet exercise is merely to show that the search string I am using on Twitter is working well (salt movie OR angelina OR jolie OR poster OR trailer OR screening OR film OR flick OR watch OR see). The 1,354 tweets that were counted was from this search string not the estimate. Over 50% of all movies I've tracked have not had a unique enough name to just search for the title alone. Much of the data the model is built on is using search filters just like the above. i totally understand what you were doing with the exercise and why, and it makes sense. But I don't personally think it's a large enough sample to determine if posts are being made such as "Salt on Friday" or "can't wait for Salt", which could be skewing results one way or another, and I was just pointing out that you said so yourself on you Sunday post. Anyways, having said that I did not realise that you post on this board! That's awesome! As I also said in my posting, your analysis for Inception was better than even MTC last week. I do enjoy reading your updates, but I do have reservations on the accuracy of the tweet count when it comes to titles which are so generic such as salt. It just makes it much harder to narrow down.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:39 pm |
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Horlicks
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Bryan_smith wrote: Horlicks wrote: The whole 200 tweet exercise is merely to show that the search string I am using on Twitter is working well (salt movie OR angelina OR jolie OR poster OR trailer OR screening OR film OR flick OR watch OR see). The 1,354 tweets that were counted was from this search string not the estimate. Over 50% of all movies I've tracked have not had a unique enough name to just search for the title alone. Much of the data the model is built on is using search filters just like the above. i totally understand what you were doing with the exercise and why, and it makes sense. But I don't personally think it's a large enough sample to determine if posts are being made such as "Salt on Friday" or "can't wait for Salt", which could be skewing results one way or another, and I was just pointing out that you said so yourself on you Sunday post. Anyways, having said that I did not realise that you post on this board! That's awesome! As I also said in my posting, your analysis for Inception was better than even MTC last week. I do enjoy reading your updates, but I do have reservations on the accuracy of the tweet count when it comes to titles which are so generic such as salt. It just makes it much harder to narrow down. For sure man. I hear you, gives me grief also. Its a work in progress  We all have our good weeks and bad weeks. Trick is to string many together in a row.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:45 pm |
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MadGez
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What shits me is that Salt should have opened a week later, better for both films.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:59 pm |
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Libs
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MadGez wrote: What shits me is that Salt should have opened a week later, better for both films. Yeah, it would've really made more sense to have moved Salt to next week and kept Dinner for Schmucks on this date. But I guess Sony didn't want to release two movies on back-to-back weekends.
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Bryan_smith
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Libs wrote: MadGez wrote: What shits me is that Salt should have opened a week later, better for both films. Yeah, it would've really made more sense to have moved Salt to next week and kept Dinner for Schmucks on this date. But I guess Sony didn't want to release two movies on back-to-back weekends. Back to Back to Back... they have Eat, Pray, Love the weekend after The Other Guys...
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Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:20 am |
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Jack Sparrow
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mdana wrote: wrongturn687 wrote: Also I just realized that this weekend could turn out alot like when Avatar went up against Sherlock Holmes in it's second week. Both movies had around the same demo, but Avatar still had that AMAZING WOM fueling it and was still able to coexist with SH. Except Avatar made most of its money from 3D and SH all from 2D. Avatar dropped 25% in 2D, compared to under 10% in 3D. If a movie opened in $40-45m (in SH's place) maybe it would have only dropped in the 15-20% range. Remember this movie Avatar had pretty good wom, too. They did not have to compete head to head as much. If Inception holds extremely, well that will cut into Salt some. If Salt opens well, that will cut into Inception's hold some. They can co-exist to some degree, but not the happy medium AV and SH had due to the 2D/3D split. Excellent point and I completely agree with the 2D and 3D difference, I remember we had similar discussions on SH's OW as well. Even then I still think that both of them were having holiday weekend and then were operating on a much bigger scale. I mean both of them could be equal to or less than Avatar's second weekend unless Salt breakouts or Inception has a godly hold. In case of Inception and Salt I think both can have 35m and will be competing for the weekend crown 
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