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jb007 wrote: Box, what do you think MTF might do internationally?
I used to think $175 mil. Maybe $250 mil. is more realistic.
It will certainly make more than $200 million overseas. The launch in Australia is nothing short of impressive. The movie has the entire international marketplace pretty much for its own in the upcoming weeks considering that the biggies (Ocean's Twelve, National Treasure, The Incredibles) have opened in most markets already. The US gross is a bit too huge to overcome, but I see around $250 million internationally at least for Meet the Fockers giving it around $520 million worldwide. It might be somewhat more, but I don't see it crossing $550 million WW.
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FULL INTERNATIONAL WEEKEND REPORT!
The Incredibles recorded a $23.195 million weekend from 6,809 screens for an impressive $286.788 million total. Having no opening nations didn't hurt the movie at all. Buena Vista International has been giving this movie as well as National Treasure lots of theaters and kept them for weeks and sometimes months, which has led to a very long and rich run at the box office. National Treasure added a few smaller markets over the weekend for a $16.569m million weekend take for a $79.652 million total. National Treasure will almost assuredly pass $200 million with $300 million looking more and more possible. Jerry Bruckheimer has yet to fail at the international box office with maybe the only exception being Kangaroo Jack, which only managed $22 million. The producer is coming off from King Arthur's huge success overseas taking $149.9 million and counting as well as Pirates of the Caribbean's $348.5 million.
Ocean's Twelve had another fantastic session at the international box office last weekend, grossing $20.9 million from 4,900 prints in 49 countries. Its total reached $107.3 million with Japan and the U.K. still ahead.
The sequel had two openings over the weekend including its first place start in South Africa where it grossed $526,700 from 69 prints. The debut was 5% ahead of Ocean's Eleven in terms of local currency and 115% better in US$. It had to settle for second place in Taiwan, behind record-breaking Kung Fu Hustle. Twelve still grossed an excellent $1.069 million from 104 screens. It was on par in US$, but 9% bellow in local currency.
Twelve's European holdovers contributed most of its weekend gross. In its third weekend in France the star-studded sequel grossed a stunning $3.5 million from 789 prints, off just 16% to rank second. That pushed its already impressive total to $19.2 million. In Germany it actually improved by 8% to $2.8 million from 827 prints. Its first place finish helped improve its three-weekend total to $15.2 million. Italy supplied $2.7 million from 480 prints, off just 9% for a fourth place finish and a $10.9 million total. Spain was off 27% to $1.758 million from 428 prints, but remained in pole position and pushed its total to $10.1 million. In the Netherlands Ocean's Twelve fell just 10% to $785,800 from 135 prints for a $4.3 million total and a first place finish. Neighboring Belgium contributed $735,600 from 70 prints over the weekend for a first place finish, just a 19% drop, and a two-weekend total of $2.3 million.
In its fourth week in Australia the Steven Soderberg-helmed production grossed $837,000 from 245 prints, which was up 25% from the previous week. Its fourth place rank moved its total to $10.068 million. It also grossed $1 million from 550 prints in its second weekend in Mexico for a $4.8 million total.
Ocean's Twelve has proved that Ocean's Eleven was an enormous hit. It seems Eleven's openings were about as saturated (in attendance) as a crime caper can be. With mostly dialogue and no action, Eleven grossed about as high as a film of that nature could get. Twelve has just about matched all of Eleven's openings and fallen at about the same rate.
The Polar Express had extraordinary holds in Europe and Japan over the weekend, which led to an $8.3 million gross from 4,800 prints in 59 countries. That lifted its total past the century mark to $101.65 million.
In its fifth weekend in France it increased 2% to $1.523 million from 670 prints. Thanks to staying above the $1 million mark every weekend The Polar Express has grossed a superb $10.8 million. The Tom Hanks headliner was off 16% in its fourth weekend in the U.K., grossing $1.124 million from 452 sites. That pushed its total there to $15.9 million. Japan grew by 25% in its sixth weekend for a $728,000 weekend haul and a $9.8 million total. Spain was off only 15% to $560,000 from 326 prints for a $6.8 million total while Germany fell 22% to $437,000 from 720 prints for a $9.156 million total. In its fifth weekend in Italy The Polar Express was off just 2% for a $302,000 total from 300 prints and a $5.5 million total.
Express' staggering print counts have kept the money rolling. Warner Brothers has done an excellent job generating screens especially since it opened disappointingly in the U.S. It seems, however, that only word-of-mouth is keeping this film alive, which means WB's advertising could have generated more business in its openings across the globe. Nonetheless The Polar Express is becoming a blockbuster overseas however slow.
Chinese action/comedy Kung Fu Hustle generated another impressive opening over the weekend. After record-breaking debuts in five markets last weekend, the Stephen Chow-directed picture grossed a spectacular $3,195,947 from 368 screens in its two-day opening in Japan. That was one of the ten best openings ever for an Asian picture (excluding Japanese films).
Hustle remained No. 1 in local China, grossing a stunning $3,733,462 from 492 screens, falling 42% from its record-breaking debut for a $14,240,234 total. The picture also stayed on top in Hong Kong, grossing $1,496,589 from 91 screens, off 54%, for a $6,179,622 total. Kung Fu Hustle also remained No. 1 in its three other markets; Malaysia - $534,373 from 52 for a $1,858,985 total, Singapore - $580,014 from 46 for a $2,168,956 total, and Taiwan - $689,932 from 45 for a $7,442,045 total.
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events continued to play well across the board last weekend with strong holds in all eight markets for a $6,468,825 weekend take from 1,584 screens for an early $32,558,337 total. Most notable was France's 6% increase from last weekend, which led to a $1,450,811 gross from 446 screens and a $3,548,254 total. Spain improved by 4% to $1,193,086 from 231 screens for a $2,810,837 total. In the U.K. Lemony jolted up 66% because of theater closures the previous week, but nonetheless grossed $2,430,129 from 459 screens for an $18,507,617 total.
With over 3/4 of the world yet to open in the Jim Carrey family feature looks to cross the century mark and possibly match Snicket's eventual domestic total.
Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason grossed $3,806,697 at 2,115 dates in 21 territories last weekend lifting its international total to $176,242,375.
Bridget maintained top 10 places in two major markets over the weekend. It was No. 8 in the U.K. improving its 52-day total to $65,696,482. In its fifth week in Germany it was No. 6 with a 32-day total of $14,914,660.
The Edge of Reason still has 11 more territories to open including Italy on Jan. 7.
Mimicking its performance in the U.S. Meet the Fockers had a phenomenal week at the Australian box office. Opening on Boxing Day, the day after Christmas, Fockers has already grossed a stunning $11,766,307. It was off only 35% over the weekend with a $1,283,195 gross from 257 screens. Fockers also opened in two Asian markets last weekend including a surprising start in Singapore where the picture grossed $460,600 from 25 screens. It also opened Malaysia, grossing $102,510 from 22 screens.
Shrek 2 reclaimed pole position back from Christmas in Love in Italy, grossing a staggering $4,473,575 from 315 screens in its third week. After 18 days of release Shrek 2 has grossed $21,483,753 there. Italy has helped push Shrek 2's international total to $470,272,271, which means it is the eleventh highest grossing picture ever overseas. It has little hope of reaching the top 10, however, as Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace's $493.4 million is out-of-reach.
Alexander had a fantastic debut in South Korea, grossing $4m from just 270 screens for a first place finish. The start was just below Troy's $4.6 million. Overall the Oliver Stone epic grossed $7.5 million from 1,400 screens in 29 territories for a $43.5 million total.
The Phantom of the Opera opened in sixth place in New Zealand over the weekend, grossing $127,086 at 48 dates. In Australia, Phantom finished its first week with a gross of $1,658,026 for an 8-day cume is $1,808,522.
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/weekend/2004/53.htm
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Dr. Lecter wrote: jb007 wrote: Box, what do you think MTF might do internationally?
I used to think $175 mil. Maybe $250 mil. is more realistic. It will certainly make more than $200 million overseas. The launch in Australia is nothing short of impressive. The movie has the entire international marketplace pretty much for its own in the upcoming weeks considering that the biggies (Ocean's Twelve, National Treasure, The Incredibles) have opened in most markets already. The US gross is a bit too huge to overcome, but I see around $250 million internationally at least for Meet the Fockers giving it around $520 million worldwide. It might be somewhat more, but I don't see it crossing $550 million WW.
That would be great if it gets $500 mil. WW 
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jb007 wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: jb007 wrote: Box, what do you think MTF might do internationally?
I used to think $175 mil. Maybe $250 mil. is more realistic. It will certainly make more than $200 million overseas. The launch in Australia is nothing short of impressive. The movie has the entire international marketplace pretty much for its own in the upcoming weeks considering that the biggies (Ocean's Twelve, National Treasure, The Incredibles) have opened in most markets already. The US gross is a bit too huge to overcome, but I see around $250 million internationally at least for Meet the Fockers giving it around $520 million worldwide. It might be somewhat more, but I don't see it crossing $550 million WW. That would be great if it gets $500 mil. WW 
All signs are that it will. It'll get over $270 million in the USA alone. Australia looks to give it at least $25 million, Germany will give it at least another $28 million and expect no less than $20 million from France while UK should give it at least $32 million (but probably more). Russia, the ever-growing market, will give it another $5 million at least. That altogether would already put it at $110 million worldwide AT LEAST (but porbably more like $120 million). Then it'll need another $110 million and for that it'll have Japan, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Netherlands, South Korea, Mexico and dozens of small markets left.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Alexander had a fantastic debut in South Korea, grossing $4m from just 270 screens for a first place finish. The start was just below Troy's $4.6 million. Overall the Oliver Stone epic grossed $7.5 million from 1,400 screens in 29 territories for a $43.5 million total.
Poor Alexander, i want it to do well, although its doing better overseas than US, i wanted it to be a $100 Million film, in either area. But it wont be
Oh well, at least Oceans 12 is doign great 
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Algren wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Alexander had a fantastic debut in South Korea, grossing $4m from just 270 screens for a first place finish. The start was just below Troy's $4.6 million. Overall the Oliver Stone epic grossed $7.5 million from 1,400 screens in 29 territories for a $43.5 million total. Poor Alexander, i want it to do well, although its doing better overseas than US, i wanted it to be a $100 Million film, in either area. But it wont be  Oh well, at least Oceans 12 is doign great 
Alexander is heading for $100 million oversea, because this movie hasn't been opened in most of Europe, Japan and Australia.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: jb007 wrote: Shrek 2's International total $470,272,271 and WW total is $911.5 mil.Italy is at $20.7 mil. after the 3rd weekend. It has passed The Incredibles ($19.5 mil. in 6 weeks) in Italy which had started off with a bigger opening . I was hoping for $20 mil. for Shrek 2 in Italy, which is what SM2 (bad legs) made after a $9.5 mil opening. Shrek 2's final total in Italy might end up around $ 30 mil.  I just keep my fingers crossed that it doesn't pass Jurassic Park worldwide.
I'm with you. Totally undeserved, the cash it made in my opinion.
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mary wrote: Algren wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Alexander had a fantastic debut in South Korea, grossing $4m from just 270 screens for a first place finish. The start was just below Troy's $4.6 million. Overall the Oliver Stone epic grossed $7.5 million from 1,400 screens in 29 territories for a $43.5 million total. Poor Alexander, i want it to do well, although its doing better overseas than US, i wanted it to be a $100 Million film, in either area. But it wont be  Oh well, at least Oceans 12 is doign great  Alexander is heading for $100 million oversea, because this movie hasn't been opened in most of Europe, Japan and Australia.
Yeh i suppose  Well then im glad now 
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HONG KONG: Day 13
Kung Fu Hustle - $6,270,169 ($122,138)
Harry Potter 3: POA - $3,527,753 ($117,934)
Lord Of The Rings: ROTK - $3,144,077 ($151,987)
The Twins Effect - $3,061,460 ($151,278)
Dinosaur - $2.8m
The Matrix: Reloaded - $2,675,641 ($115,385)
Finding Nemo - $2,638,326 ($148,710)
Fantasia - $2,556,511 ($124,805)
Love For All Season - $2,555,128 ($134,615)
Running On Karma - $2,439,216 ($90,485)
James Bond: Die Another Day - $2,088,462 ($42,308)
Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $2,007,229 ($60,243)
My Lucky Star - $2,000,000 ($174,359)
Catch Me If You Can - $1,997,436 ($74,359)
Magic Kitchen - $1,849,802 ($83,672) The Twins Effect 2 - $1,768,085 ($34,618) Troy - $1,750,247 ($70,523)
Yesterday Once More - $1,744,687 ($55,285)
Dragon Loaded - $1,702,630 ($53,848)
I, Robot - $1,670,451 ($61,583) Elixir Of Love - $1,660,296 ($55,343) The Passion Of The Christ - $1,604,443 ($47,454) House Of Flying Daggers - $1,602,420 ($53,841) Van Helsing - $1,567,708 ($55,120) Sound Of Colors - $1,541,334 ($70,822) 3 Of A Kind - $1,530,704 ($97,513)
Lost In Time - $1,502,878 ($59,239)
Jiang Hu - $1,461,520 ($30,769)
Until 2 weeks ago you would think that the yearly crown is TDAT's...  , along comes Kung Fu Hustle and blows away all the records...
1. Kung Fu Hustle - $6,270,169 (13-Days)
2. The Day After Tomorrow $5.3m (HK$41.63m)
3. Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban $4.4m (HK$33.91m)
4. Spider Man 2 $4.1m (HK$31.91m)
5. Fantasia $3.2m (HK$25.24m)
6. New Police Story $2.7m (HK$21.10m)
7. Magic Kitchen $2.6m (HK$20.22m)
8. Troy $2.2m (HK$17.39m)
9. Elixir of Love $2m (HK$15.80m)
10. Shrek 2 $2m (HK$15.74m)
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http://www.asianboxoffice.com/boxoffice ... e=hongkong
In 15 Days (not yet updated by BOM with US$), KFH has already grossed HK$50,230,000....
1. Titanic 114,930,000 1998
2. Shaolin Soccer 67,260,000 2001
3. Jurassic Park 61,900,000 1993
4. Jurassic Park 2 58,230,000 1997
5. First Strike 57,519,000 1996
6. Rumble In The Bronx 56,911,000 1995
7. Infernal Affairs 55,030,000 2003
8. God of Gamblers Return 52,540,000 1993
9. Kung Fu Hustle - 50,230,000
10. Justice My Foot 49,880,000 1992
11. Independence Day 49,380,000 1996
....KFH sits at #9 on the All-Time charts and will surely challenge Shaolin Soccer (also starring Stephen Chow) for the #2 position.....
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jb007 wrote: Box, what do you think MTF might do internationally?
I used to think $175 mil. Maybe $250 mil. is more realistic.
Well, jb, it seems a lot of people responded in my place already
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I missed your post.
We have seen a consistent move towards a global market that is more in tune with the United States. The success of the CGI films is one example of that, and Fockers seems to be another. $200m+ is a safe bet, $250m is not out of the question. Will it get $500m WW? That will depend on how the UK responds, since I see no reason why this would be a bigger film in the other 3 big markets (FR/GER/JAPAN). But, Meet the Parents matched its domestic gross, so I see no reason why MTF couldn't do the same and reach $500m; the global box office has been rather tame despite a set of successful films, this could find itself in good positions in a lot of places.
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box_2005 wrote: jb007 wrote: Box, what do you think MTF might do internationally?
I used to think $175 mil. Maybe $250 mil. is more realistic. Well, jb, it seems a lot of people responded in my place already Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I missed your post. We have seen a consistent move towards a global market that is more in tune with the United States. The success of the CGI films is one example of that, and Fockers seems to be another. $200m+ is a safe bet, $250m is not out of the question. Will it get $500m WW? That will depend on how the UK responds, since I see no reason why this would be a bigger film in the other 3 big markets (FR/GER/JAPAN). But, Meet the Parents matched its domestic gross, so I see no reason why MTF couldn't do the same and reach $500m; the global box office has been rather tame despite a set of successful films, this could find itself in good positions in a lot of places.
The reason why I think it has an advantage in Germany is that it won't face as big of competition as the first movie faced (mostly Cast Away, later What Wimen Wnat), giving it a bigger opening (well, that anyway) and legs just as good as the first.
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~~~Archangel~~~ wrote: HONG KONG: Day 13Kung Fu Hustle - $6,270,169 ($122,138)Harry Potter 3: POA - $3,527,753 ($117,934)Lord Of The Rings: ROTK - $3,144,077 ($151,987) The Twins Effect - $3,061,460 ($151,278) Dinosaur - $2.8m The Matrix: Reloaded - $2,675,641 ($115,385) Finding Nemo - $2,638,326 ($148,710) Fantasia - $2,556,511 ($124,805)Love For All Season - $2,555,128 ($134,615) Running On Karma - $2,439,216 ($90,485) James Bond: Die Another Day - $2,088,462 ($42,308) Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $2,007,229 ($60,243) My Lucky Star - $2,000,000 ($174,359) Catch Me If You Can - $1,997,436 ($74,359) Magic Kitchen - $1,849,802 ($83,672) The Twins Effect 2 - $1,768,085 ($34,618) Troy - $1,750,247 ($70,523)Yesterday Once More - $1,744,687 ($55,285) Dragon Loaded - $1,702,630 ($53,848) I, Robot - $1,670,451 ($61,583) Elixir Of Love - $1,660,296 ($55,343) The Passion Of The Christ - $1,604,443 ($47,454) House Of Flying Daggers - $1,602,420 ($53,841) Van Helsing - $1,567,708 ($55,120) Sound Of Colors - $1,541,334 ($70,822) 3 Of A Kind - $1,530,704 ($97,513)Lost In Time - $1,502,878 ($59,239) Jiang Hu - $1,461,520 ($30,769)Until 2 weeks ago you would think that the yearly crown is TDAT's...  , along comes Kung Fu Hustle and blows away all the records... 1. Kung Fu Hustle - $6,270,169 (13-Days)2. The Day After Tomorrow $5.3m (HK$41.63m) 3. Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban $4.4m (HK$33.91m) 4. Spider Man 2 $4.1m (HK$31.91m) 5. Fantasia $3.2m (HK$25.24m) 6. New Police Story $2.7m (HK$21.10m) 7. Magic Kitchen $2.6m (HK$20.22m) 8. Troy $2.2m (HK$17.39m) 9. Elixir of Love $2m (HK$15.80m) 10. Shrek 2 $2m (HK$15.74m) ------- http://www.asianboxoffice.com/boxoffice ... e=hongkongIn 15 Days (not yet updated by BOM with US$), KFH has already grossed HK$50,230,000.... 1. Titanic 114,930,000 1998 2. Shaolin Soccer 67,260,000 2001 3. Jurassic Park 61,900,000 1993 4. Jurassic Park 2 58,230,000 1997 5. First Strike 57,519,000 1996 6. Rumble In The Bronx 56,911,000 1995 7. Infernal Affairs 55,030,000 2003 8. God of Gamblers Return 52,540,000 1993 9. Kung Fu Hustle - 50,230,00010. Justice My Foot 49,880,000 1992 11. Independence Day 49,380,000 1996 ....KFH sits at #9 on the All-Time charts and will surely challenge Shaolin Soccer (also starring Stephen Chow) for the #2 position.....
What is the all-time #1 over there?
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Algren wrote: mary wrote: Algren wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Alexander had a fantastic debut in South Korea, grossing $4m from just 270 screens for a first place finish. The start was just below Troy's $4.6 million. Overall the Oliver Stone epic grossed $7.5 million from 1,400 screens in 29 territories for a $43.5 million total. Poor Alexander, i want it to do well, although its doing better overseas than US, i wanted it to be a $100 Million film, in either area. But it wont be  Oh well, at least Oceans 12 is doign great  Alexander is heading for $100 million oversea, because this movie hasn't been opened in most of Europe, Japan and Australia. Yeh i suppose  Well then im glad now 
Even then, it'll remain a huge underperformer.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Algren wrote: mary wrote: Algren wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Alexander had a fantastic debut in South Korea, grossing $4m from just 270 screens for a first place finish. The start was just below Troy's $4.6 million. Overall the Oliver Stone epic grossed $7.5 million from 1,400 screens in 29 territories for a $43.5 million total. Poor Alexander, i want it to do well, although its doing better overseas than US, i wanted it to be a $100 Million film, in either area. But it wont be  Oh well, at least Oceans 12 is doign great  Alexander is heading for $100 million oversea, because this movie hasn't been opened in most of Europe, Japan and Australia. Yeh i suppose  Well then im glad now  Even then, it'll remain a huge underperformer.
Yeh anno  im abit sad yet abit happy, because i think we need a break from battle/war/sword and sandal films for a while, it seems like they make one a year since Gladiator, and we dont need that many.
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Algren wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Algren wrote: mary wrote: Algren wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Alexander had a fantastic debut in South Korea, grossing $4m from just 270 screens for a first place finish. The start was just below Troy's $4.6 million. Overall the Oliver Stone epic grossed $7.5 million from 1,400 screens in 29 territories for a $43.5 million total. Poor Alexander, i want it to do well, although its doing better overseas than US, i wanted it to be a $100 Million film, in either area. But it wont be  Oh well, at least Oceans 12 is doign great  Alexander is heading for $100 million oversea, because this movie hasn't been opened in most of Europe, Japan and Australia. Yeh i suppose  Well then im glad now  Even then, it'll remain a huge underperformer. Yeh anno  im abit sad yet abit happy, because i think we need a break from battle/war/sword and sandal films for a while, it seems like they make one a year since Gladiator, and we dont need that many.
Well, another one (Kingdom of Heaven) is coming in May already 
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Algren wrote: Yeh anno  im abit sad yet abit happy, because i think we need a break from battle/war/sword and sandal films for a while, it seems like they make one a year since Gladiator, and we dont need that many.
But 10 action flicks, 10 comedies and 5 CGI cartoons we need every year? I don't see the logic. :?
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Alexander is a massive bomb either way you slice it.
WB/Partners will get only 40% of the overseas gross; that's how much the studio share is for films in foreign markets (on avg.).
So if the film makes, say, $120m (very optimistic), that means $48m for WB.
Domestic, WB got $17m out of it.
So total revenues for them are $65m. There's not much from merchandise/soundtrack, etc. because this is not a film where you can make much from that. DVD profits will not be over $100m, I'm positive.
So total revenues for WB/Intermedia are $165m, around there.
Now the cost:
Budget: $200m (I'm 100% positive this film cost over $200m; they moved the entire set from one country to another, which cost tens of millions alone)
Advertising/Marketing/Prints/DVD/etc. WW: $120m (prolly more)
Total cost: $320m
Loss: $155m.
More likely than not the biggest bomb of all time.
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Algren
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Nazgul9 wrote: Algren wrote: Yeh anno  im abit sad yet abit happy, because i think we need a break from battle/war/sword and sandal films for a while, it seems like they make one a year since Gladiator, and we dont need that many. But 10 action flicks, 10 comedies and 5 CGI cartoons we need every year? I don't see the logic. :?
I never said or implied that.
Difference is, the sword and sandal films have onlty been coming back because of the success of Gladiator, which is pretty lame. However these "10 action flicks, 10 comedies and 5 CGI cartoons" that you mention have been happening for years.
Also, it shows that we dont need sword and sandal films each year because they do such dissapointing numbers, whereas action flick and comedies do amazingly every year. That is what i meant.
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Algren
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Well, another one (Kingdom of Heaven) is coming in May already 
Ohh yeh. Can you tell me who stars in it (apart from Orlando Bloom)? and what era it is from?
..also, New World looks good, not a sword and sandal pic, but its a historical drama, which im also into 
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Algren
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box_2005 wrote: Alexander is a massive bomb either way you slice it.
WB/Partners will get only 40% of the overseas gross; that's how much the studio share is for films in foreign markets (on avg.).
So if the film makes, say, $120m (very optimistic), that means $48m for WB.
Domestic, WB got $17m out of it.
So total revenues for them are $65m. There's not much from merchandise/soundtrack, etc. because this is not a film where you can make much from that. DVD profits will not be over $100m, I'm positive.
So total revenues for WB/Intermedia are $165m, around there.
Now the cost:
Budget: $200m (I'm 100% positive this film cost over $200m; they moved the entire set from one country to another, which cost tens of millions alone)
Advertising/Marketing/Prints/DVD/etc. WW: $120m (prolly more)
Total cost: $320m
Loss: $155m.
More likely than not the biggest bomb of all time.
Good analysis, shame though, because it looks like such a good film and its a shame it had to happen to such a cool director. One thing though, im sure it isnt that big of a loss.
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Archangel
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Dr. Lecter wrote: What is the all-time #1 over there?
Titanic is the #1 movie in HK with HK$114.93m.....as follows:
1. Titanic 114,930,000 1998
2. Shaolin Soccer 67,260,000 2001
3. Jurassic Park 61,900,000 1993
4. Jurassic Park 2 58,230,000 1997
5. First Strike 57,519,000 1996
6. Rumble In The Bronx 56,911,000 1995
7. Infernal Affairs 55,030,000 2003
8. God of Gamblers Return 52,540,000 1993
9. Kung Fu Hustle - 50,230,000
10. Justice My Foot 49,880,000 1992
11. Independence Day 49,380,000 1996
And BOM has just updated Day 15 with US$ figures....
Kung Fu Hustle - $6,448,755 ($101,424)
Harry Potter 3: POA - $3,658,505 ($57,530)
Lord Of The Rings: ROTK - $3,538,501 ($194,437)
The Twins Effect - $3,221,630 ($101,277)
The Matrix: Reloaded - $2,852,564 ($42,308)
Finding Nemo - $2,798,718 ($67,949)
Fantasia - $2,722,288 ($69,505)
My Lucky Star - $2,255,128 ($107,692)
James Bond: Die Another Day - $2,129,487 ($12,821)
Catch Me If You Can - $2,083,333 ($35,897)
Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $2,071,476 ($32,046)
Magic Kitchen - $1,996,191 ($73,367) Troy - $1,888,050 ($85,879)
Yesterday Once More - $1,807,593 ($16,713)
Dragon Loaded - $1,780,861 ($30,771)
Elixir Of Love - $1,747,410 ($41,176) I, Robot - $1,739,922 ($26,926) The Passion Of The Christ - $1,661,794 ($24,363) House Of Flying Daggers - $1,656,304 ($19,230) Van Helsing - $1,644,880 ($33,386)
3 Of A Kind - $1,634,528 ($53,886)
Lost In Time - $1,603,080 ($45,067)
Jiang Hu - $1,501,147 ($17,947)
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Dr. Lecter
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Algren wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Well, another one (Kingdom of Heaven) is coming in May already  Ohh yeh. Can you tell me who stars in it (apart from Orlando Bloom)? and what era it is from?  ..also, New World looks good, not a sword and sandal pic, but its a historical drama, which im also into 
It's about the Crusades (probably around the years 900-1,100) and starts among others Eva Green, Jeremy Irons, David Thewlis, Brendan Gleeson, Marton Csokas and Liam Neeson.
The New World looks neat and it has the advantage of being directed by Terrence Malick (who makes like one movie each 10-20 years, but whose movies tend to usually be very good). His last flick was Thin Red Line.
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Dr. Lecter
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~~~Archangel~~~ wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: What is the all-time #1 over there? Titanic is the #1 movie in HK with HK$114.93m.....as follows: 1. Titanic 114,930,000 1998 2. Shaolin Soccer 67,260,000 2001 3. Jurassic Park 61,900,000 1993 4. Jurassic Park 2 58,230,000 1997 5. First Strike 57,519,000 1996 6. Rumble In The Bronx 56,911,000 1995 7. Infernal Affairs 55,030,000 2003 8. God of Gamblers Return 52,540,000 1993 9. Kung Fu Hustle - 50,230,00010. Justice My Foot 49,880,000 1992 11. Independence Day 49,380,000 1996 And BOM has just updated Day 15 with US$ figures.... Kung Fu Hustle - $6,448,755 ($101,424)Harry Potter 3: POA - $3,658,505 ($57,530)Lord Of The Rings: ROTK - $3,538,501 ($194,437) The Twins Effect - $3,221,630 ($101,277) The Matrix: Reloaded - $2,852,564 ($42,308) Finding Nemo - $2,798,718 ($67,949) Fantasia - $2,722,288 ($69,505)My Lucky Star - $2,255,128 ($107,692) James Bond: Die Another Day - $2,129,487 ($12,821) Catch Me If You Can - $2,083,333 ($35,897) Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $2,071,476 ($32,046) Magic Kitchen - $1,996,191 ($73,367) Troy - $1,888,050 ($85,879)Yesterday Once More - $1,807,593 ($16,713) Dragon Loaded - $1,780,861 ($30,771) Elixir Of Love - $1,747,410 ($41,176) I, Robot - $1,739,922 ($26,926) The Passion Of The Christ - $1,661,794 ($24,363) House Of Flying Daggers - $1,656,304 ($19,230) Van Helsing - $1,644,880 ($33,386)3 Of A Kind - $1,634,528 ($53,886) Lost In Time - $1,603,080 ($45,067) Jiang Hu - $1,501,147 ($17,947)
Man, Titanic is practically unreachable! 
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mary
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Algren wrote: box_2005 wrote: Alexander is a massive bomb either way you slice it.
WB/Partners will get only 40% of the overseas gross; that's how much the studio share is for films in foreign markets (on avg.).
So if the film makes, say, $120m (very optimistic), that means $48m for WB.
Domestic, WB got $17m out of it.
So total revenues for them are $65m. There's not much from merchandise/soundtrack, etc. because this is not a film where you can make much from that. DVD profits will not be over $100m, I'm positive.
So total revenues for WB/Intermedia are $165m, around there.
Now the cost:
Budget: $200m (I'm 100% positive this film cost over $200m; they moved the entire set from one country to another, which cost tens of millions alone)
Advertising/Marketing/Prints/DVD/etc. WW: $120m (prolly more)
Total cost: $320m
Loss: $155m.
More likely than not the biggest bomb of all time. Good analysis, shame though, because it looks like such a good film and its a shame it had to happen to such a cool director. One thing though, im sure it isnt that big of a loss.
http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175
It's "official" budget is $155 million. Its advertisement costs in the USA alone are $40 million. (Source: Variety)
In fact, this movie is financed by Intermedia (a Euro company), Warner Bros paid $50 million to acquire the rights of North America, U.K., Latin America, Italy, Australia and New Zealand.
Intermedia recouped more than half of this movie's budget through sales to overseas distributors, tax breaks, incentives or film funds. Warner Bros would lose money on this movie, but Intermedia wouldn't. (Although Warner Bros will recoup its entire P&A spend at first-dollar gross from the US box office.)
PS: According to Intermedia, if this movie makes over $100 million foreign, most overseas distributors will be OK.
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Dr. Lecter
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mary wrote: Algren wrote: box_2005 wrote: Alexander is a massive bomb either way you slice it.
WB/Partners will get only 40% of the overseas gross; that's how much the studio share is for films in foreign markets (on avg.).
So if the film makes, say, $120m (very optimistic), that means $48m for WB.
Domestic, WB got $17m out of it.
So total revenues for them are $65m. There's not much from merchandise/soundtrack, etc. because this is not a film where you can make much from that. DVD profits will not be over $100m, I'm positive.
So total revenues for WB/Intermedia are $165m, around there.
Now the cost:
Budget: $200m (I'm 100% positive this film cost over $200m; they moved the entire set from one country to another, which cost tens of millions alone)
Advertising/Marketing/Prints/DVD/etc. WW: $120m (prolly more)
Total cost: $320m
Loss: $155m.
More likely than not the biggest bomb of all time. Good analysis, shame though, because it looks like such a good film and its a shame it had to happen to such a cool director. One thing though, im sure it isnt that big of a loss. http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175 It's "official" budget is $155 million. Its advertisement costs in the USA alone are $40 million. (Source: Variety) In fact, this movie is financed by Intermedia (a Euro company), Warner Bros paid $50 million to acquire the rights of North America, U.K., Latin America, Italy, Australia and New Zealand. Intermedia recouped more than half of this movie's budget through sales to overseas distributors, tax breaks, incentives or film funds. Warner Bros would lose money on this movie, but Intermedia wouldn't. (Although Warner Bros will recoup its entire P&A spend at first-dollar gross from the US box office.) PS: According to Intermedia, if this movie makes over $100 million foreign, most overseas distributors will be OK.
Well, whatever the "official" budget may be, the actual budget is $165+ million and whoever wins whatever, the movie IS a bomb for what it has done.
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