You guys the cost is final.


Superman Returns came in at 204.5 million
'superman 5' came in at 261 million total


if you dont get it....i dunno. thats 56.5 million spent on all the other movies that never got off the ground.

Exactly

Thanks man i know when u have too much expectations from a movie u r bound to be DISSAPOINTED.

I thought KING KONG was a great movie but unfortunately it did NOT cater for all the audience (kids and girls). Hence did SOLID boxoffice but not huge.

It only appealed to MALES and few kids.

hency why they released TWO figures.

whats ths got to do with superman? action for males, this overblown chick flick thing for girls, and its superman. kids love him.

The "chick flick" aspect of the film isn't apparent in the trailers or commercials, so it's not like women are an easy draw here.

no ...

not entirely .. you're correct that it equates to the total cost but you also have to take into consideration that that is not how the cost of something will be perceived .. or should be perceived.

example:

I make a product.

I spend 200 million dollars and keep getting the product wrong.

I finally spend another 50 million and get the product right. It gives me 70 million.

Next time i make my product again, i no longer have to spend 250 million. my variable cost is now in the 50 range and the initial 200 can be recooperated over time. the first 200 million is not a cost that will be needed to be tied to each product.

Same thing with movies. Batman Begins and Superman Returns carried a very hefty cost. But if the money spent JUST on batman and JUST on SUperman is less than the amount that turns them a profit, then the initial expenditure they've gone through for years need not be spent the same way again. Superman will not be stuck in casting hell as it was for 10 years. the direction will be set, the director and actors will be set and most people will be tied properly to the project. 10 different film concept designs do not have to be recreated once again either.

so while the first movie carried the cost of not just its own budget but also the whole initialization of the franchise, its profitability cannot be judged based upon all the money that has been spent to date. This ofcourse, by no means, is a standalone film.

C'mon guys. It's Superman. Some of you said that you don't see any fanbase?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/ ... gi?id=6473

Top comics sold for 2005. Superman litters the list. I'm as supportive as the next guy in an argument against excel (;)) but to say that there's no fanbase is just blasphemy.

Judging by that it's smaller then Batman's fanbase.

quite true. i've been following the sales for a bit now and it was surprising to me that outside of green lantern (which has high sales due to a restart), superman was topping charts left right and center.

batman and robin doesn't really count. its frank miller taking on batman again ... and i've only read 2 of them so far but its utter crap ... unanomously agreed ..

How do you figure? Certainly Batman and Robin have the top spot secured, as well as a handful of other spots in the top 25. But overall, Superman has a much larger presence overall. It's like looking at the overall domestic box office list. Titanic tops it, but I'd be a fool to say that it has a larger fanbase than Star Wars.

New Superman standee:



Hell, I'm not even sure what joke to use.

Sure there is a Superman fanbase. As there is one for Kevin Smith films as well. There is a fanbase for hockey as well. Also there is a fanbase for Merchant Ivory films. It doesn't mean that they will generate anything more than the small fanbase that they have. Superman is destined to be a mild hit, or a huge flop. Take your pick.

They had to wait for Routh to come of age. He was only 17 at the beginning of this.

It's true that studios can save some money by recylcing concepts within a franchise -- heck, that's how LotR was so cheap. But how much can you really save? A few months of casting, some art design, possibly the smaller internal sets... But you can't recycle the cast and crew's time, or much of the CGI, and you can't reuse the same major set pieces for action sequences. You can save if you're efficient with the shooting schedule, but only if you film the sequels right away, as for LotR and Matrix (and maybe PotC, not sure about that.) Superman isn't filming sequels now.

And besides, companies only care about the next quarter's balance sheet, not the amount of savings on a movie one or two years away. They want return on investment NOW.

it depends really. i mean if dragon heart spends 15 years to get something right, well then thats the entire cost of dragon heart. no franchise there.

with lotr, we know its a 3 picture deal with an outside possibility of a 4th. you gotta take that into account.

but what do you do with comic book characters? you already have a batman character that exists in multiple mediums ... 6 films over the years, tv show, comics, critically acclaimed cartoon series, cross over cartoon series, video games. does spending money to get the project started only impact that first dilm or the beginning of the new (and probably not the final) franchise ... how does it effect the character in other mediums and if i'm willing to stretch it, how does it effect other DC characters?
would a lot of marvel characters even seen the light of day or be moderate successes if it wasn't for Blade and Spiderman becoming successes .... was it worth spending all that money on them?

the initial cost spent on such open ended franchises is hard to calculate and i personally do not like to take them into account when judging the profitability of the first film. i'd rather take the money that was spent solely on Superman Returns, not what was spent to get the franchise off the ground. Once superman fails (if it does), i'll couple of the rest of the cash together.

T-Minus 15 days and 2 hours.

362 hours.
21,720 minutes.
1,303,200 seconds.

Tracking has Superman Returns at $88 million 5-day.

i would consider that good.

Which, IMO, would be Fantastic.

Of course it's good. It's actually a tad bit less than what I'm predicting, though, and it's probably not pleasing to those in the $250+ million total camp.

With 88m, I can see around a 220m-230m finish.

Hmmm, I'd say more like $190 million since it's $88 million in 5 days, meaning about $60 million 3-day or so. Unless, of course, it has Batman Begins-like WoM.

Much lower than i expected.

It might have that non rush factor and I do see it ending up being a good film with some sort of legs. Yeah I guess it'll be closer to 210m with 88m 5Day, hard to tell, especially with PotC2 in it's second weekend.