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DP07
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 Re: Trump’s Trade War
DP07 wrote: I’m guessing the Dow is heading to 29,000 or so. I still think it’s heading to 29,000. Question of when not if.
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Thu Apr 10, 2025 12:14 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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 Re: Trump’s Trade War
DP07 wrote: DP07 wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: The question now is…is Trump truly this dumb or is there something more nefarious going on? No, your entire economic, financial, and accounting systems are even stupider. Trump is no “stable genius” by any standard but his own, but his mental faults are a symptom made obvious, compared to his predecessors, because these flaws and mistakes have gotten old. It’s trade warfare; it’s not just some negotiation tactic. It’s the end of the economic warfare of the sanctions regime and its siege tactics. That hegemony failed against Russia, and now the entire economic paradigm is collapsing globally. Trump is just an opportunist trying to exploit what he can. But the simple reason it’s not stupid is that he can win the trade war. The market is down essentially as part of a correction. That Trump initiated it just means essentially that the market is pricing in fundamental miscalculations. Also, to elaborate: there’s no united front against Trump. Europe and Canada can’t win especially since technology is the most importantly variable. Through the rest of the world there is no united front that can win the trade war. Trump unintentionally will be the person to destroy the fossil fuel economy globally. That’s how this ends; with something more devastating and transformative than the Great Depression, but less obvious because the side effects have been mitigated and marginalized. He also will be the person to unintentionally cause the dollar to lose its status as the premier global currency. Or at least to accelerate the process. It’s already too late. The dollar will be defeated by China and Bitcoin. This is even if he wins the Trade War as I expect. In fact, since he would lose only to China, I expect he will resort to his only option to salvage anything or win, which will cause most, or almost all, of the tariffs to be implemented.
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Thu Apr 10, 2025 12:23 pm |
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DP07
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 Re: Trump’s Trade War
The stock market is actually down today, not so much because of the tariffs directly, but indirectly because the dollar is starting to weaken against China.
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Thu Apr 10, 2025 12:31 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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 Re: Trump’s Trade War
In other words the stupidest thing Trump did was pausing the tariffs against everyone but China. He can’t win against China. The only positive for Trump or Wall Street from the delay is allowing time to prepare, mitigate, or perhaps to negotiate less devastating terms, conditions, or consequences.
But the delay against everyone but China was far stupider than the tariffs ever could have been. They exasperate everything everyone thought was stupid about the tariffs, reverse the positives, irreparably and permanently damage the dollar, accelerate the damage to the dollar, essentially, immediately, and finally end any hope for the US as a “superpower”, move the US budget essentially to the equivalent of “intensive care” as a medical patient, damage Trump’s creditability, deterrence, intimidation, and reputation further, especially where he most needs it, and best maintained it, allow his critics validation, and promise false hope for solving the issue. It’s too late to prevent the damage, and the pause without China makes it much worse. They can try to mitigate, but it will only prevent the disaster from being as sudden.
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Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:38 pm |
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Excel
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this has largely been a total disaster for trump and he shockingly had the awareness to turn back from the cliff at the last second
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Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:05 pm |
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DP07
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The “temporary” pause on tariffs on electronics, which will almost certainly become permanent, was the right decision, but only really because it was necessary to avoid complete disaster for Trump (for now). Those tariffs were simply and obviously untenable.
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Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:05 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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 Re: Trump’s Trade War
Excel wrote: this has largely been a total disaster for trump and he shockingly had the awareness to turn back from the cliff at the last second He lacks any significant or relevant awareness, and has no prospect for such. Just as you lack any significant or relevant awareness and lack any prospect of such. The same is true of all Homo Sapien, and almost certainly of any other potential future species of Hominid (which will certainly be driven to extinction by my species in the future before becoming a new species), besides my own present (contemporary and contextually new), current, and future species.
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Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:15 pm |
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DP07
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Excel wrote: this has largely been a total disaster for trump and he shockingly had the awareness to turn back from the cliff at the last second His escalating tariff war on China, and pause on everyone else, absolutely made it worse, not better.
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Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:32 pm |
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DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
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 Re: Trump’s Trade War
So, he seems to be forfeiting his leverage to China. Scott Bessent has already said the tariff war is unsustainable. They may hope for a better deal than before with China; but now China seems to have called Trump’s bluff twice from his own crisis, and his threats to punish them for retaliation are emptier than ever.
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