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publicenemy#1
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Interesting. $26m in presales vs MoM at $60m.
There doesn't seem to be the same rush to see this so I expect it to be less presale heavy but yeah, not beating Quantumania would be something.
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Corpse
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Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Anything under $125 million will be disappointing. I'm hoping there are enough MCU fans on the fence of seeing it on opening weekend due to fatigue that will come over for the finale here, and help push it there over the weekend.
A decline from the second film wouldn't be too surprising, volume 2 wasn't quite as well received + some MCU fatigue these days, but an opening closer to volume 1 would be a definite sign the fatigue is real and needs addressed by Marvel/Disney.
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Shack
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Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40467
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
I see bad legs so this is gonna have a terrible total if it starts that low
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Keyser Söze
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
publicenemy#1 wrote: Interesting. $26m in presales vs MoM at $60m.
There doesn't seem to be the same rush to see this so I expect it to be less presale heavy but yeah, not beating Quantumania would be something. This is not an original movie but 2nd sequel to a mega opener. It has to be presale heavy considering how big the MCU fanbase. its absolutely flabbergasting as to why its so far below Ant 3 and now catching up. That is why even with much better final few days than Ant 3 its not going to open that much more. MCU sequels wont behave like Minions or Mario to explode like crazy. They are very predictable at this point.
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Tue May 02, 2023 5:16 pm |
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MadGez
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Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23325 Location: Melbourne Australia
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Disappointing if it does open similar to Ant Man. Even with known Marvel fatigue.
If this indeed totals less than $250m - Marvel is in a more dire situation than first thought because Marvels certainly won't do any better. They'll then need to pin hopes on Deadpool/X-Men or the next Spidey.
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Keyser Söze
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Presales today absolutely stunk. If this persists tomorrow, sub 100m OW will come into play. this is basically playing like justice league at this point. With every major update the number keeps dropping.
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Tue May 02, 2023 11:06 pm |
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zwackerm
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Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 21534 Location: West Chester, Pennsylvania
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
This boggles the mind
No reason this shouldn’t do at least 15-20m better than Fricking ant man.
Ant Man wasn’t exactly following a bunch of Marvel classics either. It dealt with the stink of Thor Love and thunder and still did sub franchise best business
Victoria Alonso’s head won’t be the only one rolling at Marvel very soon.
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Tue May 02, 2023 11:11 pm |
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Keyser Söze
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
zwackerm wrote: This boggles the mind
No reason this shouldn’t do at least 15-20m better than Fricking ant man.
Ant Man wasn’t exactly following a bunch of Marvel classics either. It dealt with the stink of Thor Love and thunder and still did sub franchise best business
Victoria Alonso’s head won’t be the only one rolling at Marvel very soon. They managed to sell Ant 3 as a prequel to Avengers Kang Dynasty. This is the only reason why presales just started so big. Then it cratered because the anticipation outside fanbase was limited. This one the movie is good. So I am hopeful it will have decent legs. Only concerns are its slightly dark with animal cruelty scenes that might ensure it does not get A cinemascore. Plus as usual the bad guy is weak like most MCU movies. We have to wait and see. I am also disappointed by not so aggressive marketing from Disney. it does not feel like we are getting a mega opener this week.
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Tue May 02, 2023 11:23 pm |
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Shack
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
This makes at least 350 if it comes out a year ago. The difference looks like it will be pretty shocking.
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Tue May 02, 2023 11:59 pm |
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Algren
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Now I don't know if this will be a hit but if it's not then the marketing will be a factor in that. It's been pretty bland, and also rather absent. It doesn't feel like an event film, and what they've created around the movie doesn't hold a person's attention either. It feels like a full feature made up of quips and no real or meaningful story.
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Barrabás
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Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:53 pm Posts: 6325 Location: la gran casa de la esquina
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I don't think X-Men will save Marvel. The casting with the 00s franchise was really perfect. There's no way they find a better Wolverine, anyone will pale in comparison to Hugh Jackman. I can already see the 'when you order online vs when it arrives' memes.
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Keyser Söze
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Early WOM in Japan and Korea are very promising. I have not seen this good in a long time. So this could be leggier at least in international markets. Let us see how domestic finishes as well. Dont want to be all doom and gloom :-)
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Wed May 03, 2023 9:56 am |
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Think there's always the factor of empty marketplace helping films if people just want to see something to get out. We've only had 1 $15M+ OW since Mario (ED) and so that will help. I'm not that interested to see Guardians OW but if I feel like going to the movies it becomes the default post Mario.
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Wed May 03, 2023 11:48 am |
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publicenemy#1
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 19400 Location: San Diego
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Lame that the Return of the Jedi rerelease is just 1 week, at least in my area. Saw it last night and it was really cool to see in the big screen.
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Wed May 03, 2023 12:35 pm |
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Keyser Söze
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Today was much better day than yesterday. Now seeing previews cross Ant 3 and if WOM here is as strong as overseas, this movie could surprise us. Not only OW but also with its overall run. All MCU movies in past couple of years dropped hard in its 2nd weekend. Can Guardians buck the trend as nothing major is opening. 3rd weekend FX will take the Imax/PLF and after that every week has a big release or 2(Flash/Elemental). Still can hit 300m domestic with 120m OW and good hold in its 2nd weekend. Let us wait and see.
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Evil Dead's Wed is $950,000, down 43% from last week and now at $47.6M. With still nearly $1M dailies, it's going past Shazam for $60M+. A very solid run and good legs.
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publicenemy#1
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I didn't even realize Shazam won't hit $60m and will have a worse multiplier than BvS... jesus
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Thu May 04, 2023 3:47 pm |
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Yup, and with inflation will probably be one of the worst performing comic book movies ever. For perspective, Judge Dredd (1995) now adjusts to $69.9M but that had a $90M budget in 1995. Still a low amount of people ended up seeing Shazam.
In other news, Mario made $1,986,065 (-34%) and is now at $498,003,545. Will pass $500M on its 30th day. That would tie TGM for #11 on the all time list and beats TLK (2019) which needed 34 days. In terms of animated movies, only The Incredibles 2 has Mario beat passing $500M in 24 days.
Incredibles 2 needed 80 days to pass $600M and Mario should be able to surpass that much sooner (before June 24th, 2023).
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Thu May 04, 2023 3:58 pm |
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Keyser Söze
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 Re: May 5-7 Predictions
Mario will take a hit today considering Guardians is taking away all its Imax/PLF plus fewer shows during peak hours. Probably will drop 45% from last week but hopefully recover a bit over the weekend. It should play well into June despite many new big openers like FX, Mermaid, Transformers, Flash, Elemental, Indy 5 etc.
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Thu May 04, 2023 5:04 pm |
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Keyser Söze
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17m-17.5m previews is what I am seeing. But its doing better in some markets than other and so we have to wait until morning and studios tend to round up as well.
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Fri May 05, 2023 12:06 am |
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Shack
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So Quantumania level
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Fri May 05, 2023 2:26 am |
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Keyser Söze
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yah. Friday presales are also touch below Ant 3 but hoping walkups are better. Walkups yesterday were meh. Its weird final week for Guardians. Good Mon/Wed and really bad tuesday and meh thursday sales. Let us hope Friday is lot better. Saturday is already stronger than Ant 3 and that is where this movie could shine with good user reactions.
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Fri May 05, 2023 9:52 am |
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Keyser Söze
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_________________ The world is all about mind and matter, I don't mind and U don't matter
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Fri May 05, 2023 11:44 am |
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It would be great if Guardians still does well as long as it doesn't do so well to stop Mario from passing The Incredibles 2 for top animated movie of all time. 
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Fri May 05, 2023 11:48 am |
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Keyser Söze
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Mario dropped to 1.5m. I dont see it making more than low 20s this weekend. So it needs crazy holds after this weekend to cross I2.
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