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 Who Will Be President? 

Who will be the next President?
Hilary Clinton 65%  65%  [ 30 ]
Donald Trump 17%  17%  [ 8 ]
Someone Else 17%  17%  [ 8 ]
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 Who Will Be President? 
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So in the 90s Trump took on a fake identity as a publicist to brag about how awesome Trump is https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... html?asdfk


This is the man nghtvsn wants as president instead of "the hag." Let me know how that goes.


Fri May 13, 2016 4:33 pm
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Who cares about his tax returns? I just want a non career lying politician who didn't get american citizens killed. Doesn't lie about her emails all dang day and hasn't attached herself to a man were he not a lying politician would have been in jail decades ago. All for political gain.

The only question fake conservatives and/or folks who REALLY are anti Hillary should be asking themselves is:
Do you want Hillary picking the next four justices or Trump?

He may or may not have posed as his own publicist...who gives a darn. First, anything that's just a recording can be digitally manipulated so who knows if that's really him or not. Second...again who cares about that. He hasn't gotten american citizens killed and hasn't helped ruin the lives of millions of Libyans and countless others in the Middle East but we are gonna concentrate on a distraction. Yeah..sure

Finally, as I've mentioned previously I just want real change. Even Bernie would be REAL change away from a dirty trashy lying america hating leftist like the Clintons.

Oh and here's why if it's Hillary v Trump it will be a landslide. He's drawing from Dems who like Bernie and hate Hillary, Dems/Repubs who feel betrayed and used by their respective Party, Independents who are looking for an outsider, and all of the above who feel the country is going in the wrong direction and are worried about the economy. He doesn't need to win the hispanic or black vote. He doesn't even need to get 30% of either of those demos. He will get at least 10-15% of both of those and that will be all she wrote because if ya'll think that it's only a bunch of white people supporting Trump you are in for a surprise in November.

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every candidate in the history of ever has shown their tax returns. and someone who claims SO MUCH WEALTH should have no issue releasing his, especially after calling for so much shit to do so.

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"america hating" right, and Obama is a secret Muslim ruining the country, AMIRIGHT?!

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Democrats will not be voting for Trump, I can guarantee you that. *insert wacko WV polls to prove otherwise*

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Trump's name appeared in the Panama Papers 3540 times. He really is a shady individual between the Trump University lawsuits, trying to push eniment domain on to old ladies, faking his own publicist and these types of offshoring accounts


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Oh and here's why if it's Hillary v Trump it will be a landslide. He's drawing from Dems who like Bernie and hate Hillary, Dems/Repubs who feel betrayed and used by their respective Party, Independents who are looking for an outsider, and all of the above who feel the country is going in the wrong direction and are worried about the economy. He doesn't need to win the hispanic or black vote. He doesn't even need to get 30% of either of those demos. He will get at least 10-15% of both of those and that will be all she wrote because if ya'll think that it's only a bunch of white people supporting Trump you are in for a surprise in November.


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Yes, Trump will get 15% of the Hispanic vote, a group he is actively trying to prevent from entering this country by physically blocking them with a wall.

Seriously, the delusion. I can't.


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"america hating" right, and Obama is a secret Muslim ruining the country, AMIRIGHT?!

Obama is an atheist. Everyone knows that except birther cranks like Trump. Well, Trump actually isn't a birther, he just lies and "raises questions" for publicity.


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Trump's name appeared in the Panama Papers 3540 times. He really is a shady individual between the Trump University lawsuits, trying to push eniment domain on to old ladies, faking his own publicist and these types of offshoring accounts

Just like Emma Watson.


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The Sanders supporters' display in Nevada was absolutely disgusting. And shame on his campaign for releasing a mild-concern-bordering-on-apathetic-shrug statement instead of condemning their chair-throwing, obscenity-hurling, hyper-confrontational behavior.

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Hillary is a weak candidate who would have lost to Bernie if not for African-American allegiance to the Bill presidency. The idea that Trump has a ceiling of votes sounded good in theory but wasn't backed up by the late GOP results too much. I don't think Trump's chance to win should be counted out. The people saying so are the ones who did the same for his nomination chances

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I've liked Sanders throughout most of this campaign. But recently, not so much. I feel he's a genuinely good man who does want real change in America, but the way he's going about it is now dangerous for the Democratic Party and it could derail them in a hugely important election year (SCOTUS nominations; their attempt at retaking the House and/or Senate, etc.).

He's telling his supporters he can still win, which isn't possible anymore; especially since he's attacking the Democratic Party which means he isn't going to magically sway the superdelegates to his side now (something he was trying to sell for the past couple months). They're just going to be even angrier than they already are when they come to realize he won't be the nominee.

I support Clinton, but I'll admit she isn't a strong candidate. This is the second time she's having to go through every state in the primary against an unknown Senator. If Sanders doesn't calm his supporters, something he should certainly be doing by now in the process, and stop the negative rhetoric against the Democratic Party itself... this is going to be an increasingly difficult general election for her and the democrats.

Trump has been using Sanders as a marketing ad for awhile now, and it's just going to get worse and worse if he's able to anger and then use Sanders and his supporters to further derail Clinton and the Democratic Party.

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Sanders is enjoying his improbable rock-and-roll-star status too much to concentrate on party unity. The unity of a party he is ultimately not part of.

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Sanders is enjoying his improbable rock-and-roll-star status too much to concentrate on party unity. The unity of a party he is ultimately not part of.


So Sanders should put the party before the people? Most people voting for Sanders are for the people movement, progressive platform. I could foresee the birth of a progressive movement independent of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party if Sanders leaves the race without everyone having a chance to cast a vote.


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This shouldn't be a party issue. But because of who is running, it has to be. No matter what Sanders thinks is "right", he needs to start trying to unite the party against that psychopath. Then once the election is done, start a new party, which could easily build up in the 4 years until the next election and be ready to actually have a chance and we can return to a 3 party system.

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Congratulations to Bernie Sanders for winning Oregon. Should have won Kentucky but Clinton's Wall Street money and her lying fake speeches somehow squeaked out a "victory".

What I would like to see is Sanders run on the Libertarian ticket if he were so bold. His supporters would follow him and I think it'd really be a tossup as to who would win at that point. Hillary won a lot of Southern contests but those would all go Trump while Sanders would probably clean Hillary everywhere else. I could certainly live with that or I can live with his rabid supporters walking out of the rigged fake Democratic primary system. Me loves it. Oh and seeing B Boxer get booed off the stage was just glorious!

Fight on Bernie!

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i.hope wrote:
David wrote:
Sanders is enjoying his improbable rock-and-roll-star status too much to concentrate on party unity. The unity of a party he is ultimately not part of.


So Sanders should put the party before the people? Most people voting for Sanders are for the people movement, progressive platform. I could foresee the birth of a progressive movement independent of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party if Sanders leaves the race without everyone having a chance to cast a vote.


For right now? Yes. He needs to realize that he's going to get Trump elected singlehandedly if he doesn't put a stop to this eventually.

Instead of spitting more acid about his usual talking points and trying to tear the Democratic party apart when it least needs it, focus on the end goal.

I like Bernie. Really, I do. But I've really started to get tired of the antics of some of his supporters, and a lot of what he's saying at this point in time just feels counterproductive.


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I hope we feel the burn in Philadelphia.


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David wrote:
Sanders is enjoying his improbable rock-and-roll-star status too much to concentrate on party unity. The unity of a party he is ultimately not part of.


So Sanders should put the party before the people? Most people voting for Sanders are for the people movement, progressive platform. I could foresee the birth of a progressive movement independent of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party if Sanders leaves the race without everyone having a chance to cast a vote.


For right now? Yes. He needs to realize that he's going to get Trump elected singlehandedly if he doesn't put a stop to this eventually.

Instead of spitting more acid about his usual talking points and trying to tear the Democratic party apart when it least needs it, focus on the end goal.

I like Bernie. Really, I do. But I've really started to get tired of the antics of some of his supporters, and a lot of what he's saying at this point in time just feels counterproductive.


Counterproductive to Clinton and the DP leadership, maybe. But Sanders calling out superdelegates for decidedly tipping the balance of the race months before the first voting started was good for the democratic process. I am quite sure a majority of voters do not know how the primary process works, how delegates are allocated, or how the rules are decided and changed. The media have not done a good job on that. Keeping people in the know is the first step to effecting change to the system.

I think a significant number of Sanders' supporters and voters will leave the DP behind eventually with or without Bernie Sanders if the party leadership and Clinton media surrogates do not let the rest of the primary process play out fairly. The interest of the party does not always agree with the interest of the voters.

The party needs to rethink how to reach out to people outside of the party loyalty circle, especially with what the State Department IG report revealed about Hillary Clinton.


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Oddsmakers have Biden on the board for Democrat nomination at 20 to 1. Bernie only around 10 to 1. Seems like Hillary drop-out while unlikely is at least in play. An indicted candidate in a year where Donald Trump is the other choice would be an insane series of events, like the plane in Dr. Strangelove getting through. Biden and Bernie OTOH would both win

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And on the "violence" at the Nevada Convention, I have not seen a video of chairs being thrown or people fighting or being pushed around. The media quickly toed the line of the party leaders who jumped out on tv two days after the convention and labeled the event "violent" as a way to sidetrack and discredit Sanders delegates' arguments at the convention. They did not get to the "why". They did not report on why the booing occurred. They did not mention that the rules of the convention were approved by a questionable voice vote where the "nay" vote was louder than "aye". They did not question the fairness of the process when the difference in the delegate turnout of the two camps was less than 1% but no recount was done.



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My issue with Bernie lately is... you're losing, man. Just because you've won a few states doesn't mean the system is cheating you in delegates. You're WAY behind in total votes. But Clinton doesn't get a lot of press, at least not as much as Bernie/Trump, so people think Bernie should be winning.

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Sanders has been winning more pledged delegates since late March; he beat Clinton 639 to 600 from March 22 - present. There might have been a momentum shift or the demographics of the 18 states that held primary voting during this period just worked in Sanders favor.

Clinton get a lot more press than Sanders and other Democratic candidates; she has been the "presumptive" nominee even before the primary season began. The superdelegates and Democratic "pundits" are always on the news channels playing her surrogates. She has a built-in advantage entering the race with name recognition and support of superdelegates, it is hard to deny.


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One thing to add: the Clinton campaign has been absent from the media for the last few days, likely because of the fallout of the State Dept. IG report. But her surrogates (or superdelegates) still appeared on tv (even the IG report had little to do with them) to cool the water. That the mainstream media would rather give these irrelevant people free air time than dig deeper and provide more follow-up reports on this and other news is really baffling.


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Sanders has been winning more pledged delegates since late March; he beat Clinton 639 to 600 from March 22 - present. There might have been a momentum shift or the demographics of the 18 states that held primary voting during this period just worked in Sanders favor.


I'd also be hesitant to count caucuses since their setup favors a candidate like Sanders. A primary example is the state of Washington, where Clinton won the recent primary (open primary too) 52% to 48% while losing the caucus 2 months earlier by 45 points; she would still have won if we combine the two results given the primary turnout is much bigger. In fact, if all caucus states did primary instead, Clinton probably already clinched by now.


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