I did address that in my comments.

It's pretty strange how 3D can look amazing in trailers yet so unnoticeable when you watch a film. The 3D was only noticeable here during the credits montage.

I rewatched MoS and I was surprised how much it looked different from this.

Didn't I mention in my review that I didn't enjoy it but the target audience would? My major complaints were from middle act and the last scene of escape.

Agreed. At least theatre owners are finally relenting and offering a few Imax screenings in 2D.

So when Supes tells Lois he needs Batman's help or he has to kill him, she doesn't even know Lex had Martha kidnapped. Why didn't she ask why? It's small things like this that could've easily been fixed.

The film holds up on multiple viewings though.

My guess those lines were there and were edited out. SO much of the film feels like there are sections missing is ridiculous.

They were soo close to hitting the grand slam they wanted, but instead...launched a bomb FOUL.

My wife liked the 2nd half a lot, thought the first half was too slow. Thought it was grim and felt bad for Superman. But overall she enjoyed it.

Zack Snyder, just when I thought you couldn't be any crappier, you make this


















I actually really liked this. Unlike Man of Steel where every scene just felt like it's only there as an excuse to get to the next visually mind numbing action scene, the characters and dialog in this film mattered to me. In fact it felt like the first half of the movie was all talking and trusting the audience to be engaged in the story development without needing something to blow up every 5 minutes. Not bad! I'm going to credit it to the upgrade in screenwriter

Lois and Superman romance works in this one. I liked the bathtub scene, Superman talking about his insecurities, the ending. The world not trusting Superman made sense. Even rushing to hit him with a nuke cause deep down they want to get rid of him. One little moment I liked in this film is when they had the montage of Superman doing some heroic things (saving that girl from the fire, dragging the boat through the ice), i felt it came at the right time to establish the theme of his god power and how the world sees him. Henry Cavill's performance is surprisingly good in this. I kind of liked Superman's death and that it wasn't immediately resolved by the end of this film.

Batfleck is a BOSS! The scene where he save Martha and kicks everyones ass is just great. And the Batman vs Superman fight lived up to my expectations as much as it could. It was intense and I bought into the reasons why Batman was winning. The shots of Superman struggling with the kryptonite gas worked and it was jarring in a good way to see the weakened version of him getting his ass whooped. The Batmobile race and Superman stopping him was a strong moment that would've been epic if we hadn't seen it in the trailer. The Knightmares were cool too

Wonder Woman is also pretty awesome in her short scenes and they give her enough time to not be forced into the end.

Eisenberg as Lex Luthor is great. This could have been a disaster super easily, it's a performance toeing the line of ham, Luthor has no motivation but being psychotic, and he's single handily standing in the way of the conflict we really want to see in Batman vs Superman. But I felt enough of a real person there, if demented, and liked it every time he was on screen.

Doomsday is generic but the fight, use of the spear, and the death is overall solid

Most of all this film I felt for the characters emotionally in this film, whether it's because of Lois-Superman, Superman's arc of the world not trusting him, Batfleck's rage, Lex being psycho in an emotional way. By the end of it I had a little feels for both Batman and Superman.

It's not flawless in terms of building character and story still and Doomsday is not my favorite, and there's some editing issues like WW looking at the files of the other heroes at *that* moment, but I'd take this over the slightness of films like Ant Man or Age of Ultron any day. Now I don't want Snyder to be taken off this : (

Sometimes you make my manbits confused, Shack.

I am sure you both would admit that, for as divisive as the film is, it is crystal clear there was a significantly more epic simply undeniably awesome film somewhere in there with that concept and cast.

I would like a much longer cut, and better editing. The GA would like it about 30 minutes shorter... With better editing.

I think ALMOST everything from the courtroom scene on is great.

-Lex's scene where he unleashes Doomsday is Eisenbergs only bad thing. "GOTHAM ROAST?!? WELL DONE?!?"

-The fight scene is way too short for the films title.

-Jonathan Kent's scene is super random, like WTF is Clark doing there?? His little story is good but what was the point? He should have added in something SMART, like "You'll see as you go that life doesn't really get easier, people just become more resilient" who something which made us actually understand why he was saying this little story.

-Should have removed the scene where WW watches Flash. the horrible Aquaman video, etc

-Added a scene with WW saying she is "retired" or something

-Added Doomsday having a King Kong like rampage in Metropolis as opposed to just being some random monster

-More Batfleck in warehouse

-Better editing of final fights mix in's with Lois and the spear, Superman recovering from nuke, etc

-Generally longer fights over the final 30 minute so...

-Supermans death has more impact. We need to feel for this guy who humanity has beaten up sacrificing himself to kill an unbeatable monster.

pre court room scene:

-WAY better build up and editing of the batmobile chase. Thing was lifeless.

-Get rid of stupid bullet story and give Lois something way better. Like anything.

-More of Metropolis battle from BW's POV.

-More cold, manipulative Luthor, less gleeful Luthor.

-Scene explaining why Batman is so bad in CK's eyes.

There was an instant classic hidden somewhere in this movie, WHY didn't they seek Excel for advice???

Lol Shack nice read.

I'm really keen to seeing this extended cut. I wonder how much of that 30 minutes is Jena Malone.

I mostly agree with Excel's last two posts.

At least this will be in the director's cut. There were at least a few scenes filmed of Kent in Gotham.

I waited 3 weeks to see this in the Lincoln Center imax in NYC. Seeing The Dark Knight here in 2008 is still my all time favorite theatrical experience. I've gone here every year since and its always a highlight of my trips to New York. This is the first time I've ever seen the entire movie use the entire 90 foot screen and it was glorious. And no 3d either! What a pleasant surprise that was. Absolutely worth the wait in that regard.

As for the rest ... It's fine. Disappointing in all the ways I was expecting. The first half is kind of a mess though. There's a lot of good stuff in there, but it bounces around so much that I had a hard time really connecting with anything. Man of Steel immediately puts its hooks into with the extended Krypton sequence and never let go. I still love Snyder's take on Superman as half undercover alien, half God. I really wish we had just gotten MoS 2 here.

I love Batman. Affleck is great in here and his story is pretty good too. Does this movie change at all with his role reduced to the size of Gaddot's though? Batman should never feel unnecessary. And how many damn dream sequences do we need in an already bloated product?

The finale delivers the goods though. Batman saving Mrs. Kent is the highlight of the movie (other than Adams in the tub that is). Doomsday was a weak villain but he served his purpose well enough. It felt like an epic struggle because it was, and Superman earned his death scene because of it. I love the idea of Supes death being the catalyst to the Justice League. I know it won't stick, but I'm glad they're atleast waiting until the next movie.

Although the dream sequences were mostly bad, I'm totally into Superman being the villain of Justice League.

Because they have no use for mentally unstable fanboys.

That's when $$$$$$$ will fly in for Warner Bros.

So if we remove Batman from the movie:

1. The gruesome and depressing opening credits sequence is gone, immediately improving the movie.
2. Instead of Bruce driving around Metropolis, it is Lex. This would give him some badly needed motivation for his actions later in the movie. And he would also inherit the "all good men go bad" dramatic arc.
3. Diana Prince stays because shes awesome. And if it is now Clark who is flirting with her, this also gives Louis tension. Maybe she is worried that, as a mortal, she isn't enough for Superman. So when Superman tells her "I love you" it is also "I would have chosen you, always."
4. Louis would inherit the bulk of Bruce's investigation of Lex. More Amy Adams is always a good thing.
5. Lex still creates Doomsday, but he also creates the Kryptonite Spear as a deterrant. Revealing this information to Superman gives him humanity even amongst all his villlainous traits.
6. Everything gets more focus and more time to connect with the audience.
7. Only one dream sequence.

All that being said, I have to conclude that Batman is this generation's Venom. The actual performance is much better yeah. But is the relevance to the story/marketing ratio any different?

Zack Snyder has been framed damnit. Let him make Superman!

You never used to hear about Louis before the gay lifestyle became so accepted lately.

Hans Zimmer and Junkie XL did a fantastic job with the score. Probably the MVPs of the movie. "Is She With You?" Is obviously the standout, but the new Batman theme "Beautiful Lie" is also terrific and nearly saved the highly unpleasant opening.