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FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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17 octobre
What will happen?
I say they will raise the debt ceiling but just a little so the entire drama show can start in half a year again.
Though it would be intresting to see what happens if US-Bonds would default.
_________________Libs wrote: FILMO, I'd rather have you eat chocolate syrup off my naked body than be a moderator here.
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Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:17 am |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Re: 17 octobre
I don't care anymore.
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Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:49 am |
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Mannyisthebest
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm Posts: 8636 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Re: 17 octobre
It would be a disaster not for the US economically as I doubt anyone could agree to actually go into default as actually nothing devasting will happen for a few days after.
The damage to the US brand is immense no doubt.
Since the Iraq War, the US has lost the moral authority to lecture others and now is losing any sense of being a stable country.
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Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:54 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:51 pm Posts: 11637
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Re: 17 octobre
the stock market would drop 700-1000 points if we default and we would definitely go into a recession. I don't think it will happen. I think wiser heads will prevail with it.
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Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:02 pm |
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FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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Re: 17 octobre
The clock is still ticking?
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Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:15 pm |
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FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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Re: 17 octobre
Why does it always have to be so close? U know. The rest of the world does think that that deadline show is only half as funny.
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Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:44 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Re: 17 octobre
It will pass the senate, it is really down to Boener. He could put the bill on the floor and it will pass the house, but he could lose his speakership (not sure who would want it). We shall see what happens over the next 4 hours.
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:18 am |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Re: 17 octobre
The Senate has made a deal today. This whole mess will probably be over tonight and the government will probably reopen on Friday.
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:53 pm |
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Mannyisthebest
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm Posts: 8636 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Re: 17 octobre
I must say the US govt is really broken. I just heard the details about how Obamacare was created with no mechanism to validate people's income who apply for it? So pretty much one side wants to get rid of it as they think its Communism and one side wants to make a system that pretty much is certain to fail? Why can't the moderates be in charge!
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:20 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Re: 17 octobre
Moderates don't exist.
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:46 pm |
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Mannyisthebest
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm Posts: 8636 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Re: 17 octobre
They have existed all through the Reagan and Clinton years.
Opposing parties got a lot done.
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:14 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
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Re: 17 octobre
That was 13+ years ago.
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:43 am |
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SolC9
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Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7172 Location: Wisconsin
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Re: 17 octobre
Here's something that makes no sense to me. At the last minute they come up with this short term fix to get us through the year. They put it to a vote and 18 in the Senate and 144 in the House vote against it. Essentially, these people were voting FOR the country to go into default on it's bills and go back into a deep recession. WTF?
All 144 people who voted against it in the House were Republican.
I mean, even if this short term fix isn't ideal, you don't vote against it and jeopardize our fragile economy even more.
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:33 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: 17 octobre
SHOCKING
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:34 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37152 Location: The Graveyard
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Re: 17 octobre
SolC9 wrote: Here's something that makes no sense to me. At the last minute they come up with this short term fix to get us through the year. They put it to a vote and 18 in the Senate and 144 in the House vote against it. Essentially, these people were voting FOR the country to go into default on it's bills and go back into a deep recession. WTF?
All 144 people who voted against it in the House were Republican.
I mean, even if this short term fix isn't ideal, you don't vote against it and jeopardize our fragile economy even more. Anderson Cooper interviewed one of the House members who voted "Nay", I forget his name, and he essentially said he did so because he felt voting "Nay" was the right thing to do. When questioned about what his "Nay" vote could have meant for millions of people and the country itself, he just shrugged it off and reiterated that he believed he was doing the right thing by voting "Nay".
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 pm Posts: 6665
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Re: 17 octobre
SolC9 wrote: Here's something that makes no sense to me. At the last minute they come up with this short term fix to get us through the year. They put it to a vote and 18 in the Senate and 144 in the House vote against it. Essentially, these people were voting FOR the country to go into default on it's bills and go back into a deep recession. WTF?
All 144 people who voted against it in the House were Republican.
I mean, even if this short term fix isn't ideal, you don't vote against it and jeopardize our fragile economy even more. Those who voted "No" knew the deal was going to pass. They did so to send a message to their voting base who in general supported their cause to defund Obamacare and cut spending.
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:05 pm |
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SolC9
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Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:11 pm Posts: 7172 Location: Wisconsin
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Re: 17 octobre
i.hope wrote: SolC9 wrote: Here's something that makes no sense to me. At the last minute they come up with this short term fix to get us through the year. They put it to a vote and 18 in the Senate and 144 in the House vote against it. Essentially, these people were voting FOR the country to go into default on it's bills and go back into a deep recession. WTF?
All 144 people who voted against it in the House were Republican.
I mean, even if this short term fix isn't ideal, you don't vote against it and jeopardize our fragile economy even more. Those who voted "No" knew the deal was going to pass. They did so to send a message to their voting base who in general supported their cause to defund Obamacare and cut spending. Everyone who voted "nay" is going to probably lose their next election unless they have no competent competition. It'll be really easy for their competition to turn that on them.
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Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:09 pm |
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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Re: 17 octobre
SolC9 wrote: i.hope wrote: SolC9 wrote: Here's something that makes no sense to me. At the last minute they come up with this short term fix to get us through the year. They put it to a vote and 18 in the Senate and 144 in the House vote against it. Essentially, these people were voting FOR the country to go into default on it's bills and go back into a deep recession. WTF?
All 144 people who voted against it in the House were Republican.
I mean, even if this short term fix isn't ideal, you don't vote against it and jeopardize our fragile economy even more. Those who voted "No" knew the deal was going to pass. They did so to send a message to their voting base who in general supported their cause to defund Obamacare and cut spending. Everyone who voted "nay" is going to probably lose their next election unless they have no competent competition. It'll be really easy for their competition to turn that on them. No. What i.hope stated is true. Incumbents rarely lose anyway and these guys voted that way to please their base. Besides, I doubt this is much of an issue in Nov. 2014.
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Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:16 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Re: 17 octobre
It is only a issue if they go and do it again in January. I still think the Democrats will gain a few seats in the house mostly in the northeast and on the west coast. They will also keep the senate because of this craziness.
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