so just like with his no nothing response to Israel, he now makes nice with the UK.

HEY OBAMA, WHY DON'T YOU TELL THEM, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR SHIT, LET THEM HELP OUT WITH THE CLEAN-UP.

STOP BEING A PUS AND MAN UP!

Yeah! What a worthless piece of trash! WORST PRESIDENT EVAR!

and a perfect example of what a waste you are.

An impersonation of Republicans:

"No matter what Obama proposes, we'll vote no! We'll filibuster so he can't get anything passed! We'll stand in front of him every inch of the way!

Then we'll criticize him for being a President who doesn't get anything accomplished, and we'll be so oblivious we won't even notice the irony!"

YEAH THAT SUCKS...BUT HOW MANY THINGS HAS THE FINGER POINTER F'ED UP?

LETS SEE YOU START HONESTLY LISTING HIS F UPS!

AND ................................

just like a defense lawyer...one who doesn't want to talk about the truth or both sides fairly....but only wants to talk about half truths/stories to get his client off.

Wake me when Groucho has an interesting thought, besides his use of the word irony.

No, he has a point. Look at what the Reps filibustered when it came to BP...

and did Obama muscle through the health care and stimulus plans?

The reason his point is uninteresting is not because Republicans have filibustered (not always successfully, see the failure to stop EPA from regulating carbon, stimulus, and health care), it is uninteresting because both parties always act this way, but Groucho presents it as a novelty.

Even if Congress changed the liability cap from $75m to the proposed $10b, I do not see how that could affect BP in this oil spill because such a law would be an ex post facto law.

still waiting Groucho....and today I see in the news the garbage Wall Street reform that Obama pushed, that is put together ass backwards!

No they don't; the amount of filibusters this Congress has done is unprecedented in the history of the United States. It went up 71% when Obama was elected.

Claiming "this is nothing new" is not supported by the facts. No President EVER has faced the opposition this one has. It's the GOP strategy, seriously. They seriously have internal memos saying that their plan is to thwart everything he tries, and then go to the voters and blame him for getting nothing done. I am not making this up.

Obama then keeps trying to work with them and compromise, and those of us who support him are sick of it, because it's not working. He should just say "screw you, GOP, I'm going to do this with or without you." One of the reasons his support has dropped is because people like me are tired of him being so wimpy. It's the loss of moderate and liberal support that makes his poll numbers drop -- the conservatives were never for him. He should be ignoring them, since he obviously will never get their support or help.

Grill, I am on a number of political boards and I love talking politics.

What I don't do, though, is debate with kids who don't know what they're talking about and who scream in capital letters and talk in generalities as if they mean something.

just talking like a defense lawyer...one who doesn't want to talk about the truth or both sides fairly....but only wants to talk about half truths/stories to get his client off....so whatever as Obama mess ups just keep on exploding in his and everyone's face!

LOL...

Obama's Gulf oil spill ultimatum: Clock is ticking, what can BP do?
The Obama administration has told BP that it has until Sunday night to come up with better plans to contain the leak in the Gulf oil spill. But BP has ignored at least one ultimatum already.

Guess Bp is telling the finger pointing Obama, WHATEVER!

just too bad that obama didn't handle this better 2 months ago or when he was bragging that he was in control of everything.

talk about talking out of his butt.....

It makes sense that filibuster's went up when Obama was elected. Reason: Democrats controlled Congress in Bush's last two terms, why would they bother filibustering when they had a majority?

Do you think Democrats lacked "internal memos saying their plan is to thwart everything [Bush] tried"? I don't remember him getting much Democrat support, especially in his second term, and even if they did not have such memos (if they didn't, it was only because they did not want to leave a paper trail), they certainly acted on that principle. I certainly do not remember Bush's appellate court nominees getting much support and Justice Alito, and to a lesser extent Chief Justice Roberts, got little Democrat support.

Also, if I remember the health care debate, he pretty much did say "screw you, GOP, I'm going to do this without you." I mention this because this is the signature piece of legislation that Obama plans to base his career off of.

Finally, I like how you get up in arms for the GOP not supporting anything Obama does. Your solution, do not support anything the GOP wants to do then attack them. Of course, you will argue that they did it first, but that's sort of a "chicken or the egg" type of argument. Then you will argue that Democrat's have a majority, but I doubt you would have argued the same during the Bush + GOP majority years.

>>> Also, if I remember the health care debate, he pretty much did say "screw you, GOP, I'm going to do this without you." I mention this because this is the signature piece of legislation that Obama plans to base his career off of

Yup, that is what the finger pointer said > Is was his way or F OFF!

But Groucho would be fine with that says he only looks at things from one side.

No, you misunderstand: it went up 71% over ALL filibusters, going back from the beginning of the United States, including plenty of times when one party had the Presidency and another had the Congress.



Neither of which were filibustered. That's a lot different. If the GOP merely voted against Obama's policies, that would be one thing. Instead, they want to prevent the majority (who were elected in by the majority) from getting anything done.

Filibustering is when you know you don't have enough votes to stop something, so instead you just hold your breath until you turn blue. You stand in the way of anything getting done until the other side says "Oh, fine, we'll drop it so we can get something else done at least".



Yes, and I am glad he did, although it took a year of trying to cooperate with the GOP to convince him that it was a waste of time. Wish he would do that more. It's apparently the only way anything will ever get accomplished.



No, my point is the hypocrisy. Vote against him, fine -- criticize the things he does get passed, fine --- but to actively do everything you can to prevent his plans from even getting to a vote and then claiming that he can't get anything done when it is your fault is hypocritical.

The Democrats did NOT filibuster everything Bush tried to get done, and you know it. That is the big difference here. The GOP should at least allow democracy to work.

Caius wrote:
Also, if I remember the health care debate, he pretty much did say "screw you, GOP, I'm going to do this without you." I mention this because this is the signature piece of legislation that Obama plans to base his career off of.

Groucho wrote:
Yes, and I am glad he did, although it took a year of trying to cooperate with the GOP to convince him that it was a waste of time. Wish he would do that more. It's apparently the only way anything will ever get accomplished.

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sure you are OK with this, of course as he bullies something through that was too costly, not well thought through and missing too many things.....

and then now he is leeting so much other stuff fall apart.

Dr Lecter, could Grill be expelled from this forum please?

Indeed. I know stupidity isn't against the rules, but... come on.

Well looks like Obama has something big on his plate. After he made nice with the UK how will he treat BP.

Seems like he can ask for 50 Billion from BP to pay all estimated claims or even pull all their US drilling and operating rights

Your serve Mr President and let's try to do a better job than your past mistakes.

Question. How long will the school kids of today be cursing Obama for all the debt he is putting on their backs.

Just read that a worse case of the mortgage buy outs could be 1 TRILLION DOLLARS.

Go Obama Go!!!! Using the Credit Card of the Future!!!!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episod ... ames-tabor

i think the first segment shows just how much obama has "changed" america

Will check that out when I get to a computer. Hopefully if will be some good/fair points of what good things Obama has really done.

And not the garbage and half truths someone is posting.