Wait until it's revealed that some prominent Republican was wire-tapped. Then they'll be all over it. It's like the DHS monitoring. They were all for it when it was targeting anti-war protestors and environmentalists. The milisecond they mentioned "right-wing extremists," the wingnuts went apeshit.

If you people are still wondering why I'm just sort of eyerolling at this whole thing, which I tend to do towards political things in the first place, here's Rick Perry being an idiot:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/1 ... 87490.html

I'm starting to wonder if the party is only getting more extreme, like edging into 1990s-militia-group extreme.

Jedi, what tax bracket are you in? Does anyone here, other than Groucho and Krem, even pay federal income taxes? And I do not mean file, I mean pay.

Save money
Inflation
Taxes


Obama seems not to want save money or he cant (with all the programs running)

So taxes is still better than inflation. At least when you have some fix taxes you can make your budget.


Here in Switzerland it seems we go the save money way to fix the mess. Also not funny.

I start paying federal income tax in about 2 months once I start my job.

I pay. And I'm self-employed which means I pay both the individual and employer payroll taxes as well.

Do you feel you pay around the right amount?

Tax Year 2008 was the first year, since I have been old enough to work, that I did not pay federal income taxes. I had no job. Thankfully you taxpayers paid the interest accrued on my loans.

I don't have a sense of what the right amount is. Do I feel burdened by them? Not really. Do they make me want to make less money so I pay fewer taxes? On the contrary.

I have no problems with the wiretapping, so long as it helps keep the country safe. They can come listen in on me anytime.

just a point.....but your taxes are lowered greatly by business expenses....depending on how agressive you are with your return.....sure hope there are no personal expenses mixed in there.

Whatever valid message some protesters have against the current tax and spending policies of the US is sorta undermined when they also have nutters saying Texas should secede from the Union.

gulli you're not from america so you may not know but Texas has always been sort of an odd place.

I am a poor graduate student right now so I don't pay income taxes. Although, I had to take money out of retirement fund and lost some of that money. I didn't mind paying it though. I Also we all pay taxes so its really a mute point. About Texas give me a break, the Civil War proved the govt can stop succession. Let Texas try it we would kick their ass.
I have one other thing to add, I am tired of this garbage saying the founding fathers were for limited government. Most of them weren't not sure there is Jefferson, but all the federalists from Washington, Adams, and Hamilton were for big goverment and actually raised taxes when they got into office.

Yeah that is the other, there is still a Texas Succession party, so I don't take their threats very seriously.

Isn't it strange that South Carolina was always the first to secede? You'd think it'd be Texas...

Odd place or not, did Gov Perry or the GOP ever pass a resolution declaring Texas sovereignty during the 8 years Bush was in charge?

Not really SC talked about succeeding back in the 1820's with John C Calhoun.

Was that when they actually seceded for a little bit until Andrew Jackson went down and kicked their asses?

I am not sure what you mean by this. If you read the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights plus the 11th Amendment, it certainly seems to me that they were for a limited government.

The Federal Gov't cannot establish a religion, abridge free speech, most have probable cause to issue a warrant, cannot quarter troops, due process generally, etc.

Plus Madison, the "father" of the Constitution, thought of our tripartite governmental structure as providing "checks and balances" such that the branches would limit the power of the other branches.

Now they might have had different positions on tariffs and the First National Bank, but I think that hardly means they were for in favor of some sort of unlimited government that you are inferring from their acts.

texas is full of people like that; it wont ever happen.

And who do they want to join? Mexico? Not really....or?

Knowing Texans, they would want to start their own republic. Similar to their existence from 1836-1845. It actually used to be its own independent nation.

Ask any colonial historian. I discussion with one and he said they were mostly for Big govt, especially the Federalists. Hamilton wanted something like England had but with more elections. Also the Tripartite government really came from John Adams, Madison borrowed it from (Adams devised the same thing in the Mass. Constitution). Also that had nothing to do with small government that was to keep the power from being controlled by one part of government, although Hamilton hated the idea and wanted a weak legislature and a strong executive branch. Madison wanted that in there to keep the country from becoming a monarchy. It isn't like the check and balances are gone either, you still see each branch have about the same amount of power that the constitution devised, except for the Executive branch which got that power really starting with Lincoln. Finally, our forefathers are the best examples anyways since if we went back to their principals, African-Americans would be enslaved, Native Americans slaughtered, and women have no rights. They were 18th century people, we need to move into the 21th century.

Yep, that was when it came to pivotal point in 1832 I think.

Only crazies would want that now, 75% of Texans wouldn't want to be independent. It wouldn't survive on its own. It has no real big industry for it to survive.

Oil is a fairly large industry plus Texas it has lots of cattle and tech is a pretty large industry there. It also has ocean access. Texas has a fairly large population and decent size geographically. Roughly the size of France. As long as the U.S. left them alone, I don't see why they couldn't survive on their own.

Plus my response was based on Filmo's question, not the actual feelings of Texans.