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Jedi Master Carr
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Now this is ridiculous http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090415/ts ... 0415144436These people are so stupid they know about history. The Boston Tea Party was because we didn't have any representation. Second the tea Parties were run by a bunch of thugs dressed up as Indians. They were members of local gangs who were given free rum by Samuel Adams. And you didn't see Samuel Adams, John Hancock, or John Adams throwing tea in the harbor. This is just a political stunt and it doesn't even look that popular. I saw like only 50 people in Boston for it (although Boston is a very liberal city).
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Tyler
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The party has been flailing in desperation since September. I'm not sure how they're gonna recover even if the nation ends up resenting Obama.
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Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:41 am |
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Krem
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Protesting excessive taxation is "ridiculous"? Oy vey...
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Jedi Master Carr
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Krem wrote: Protesting excessive taxation is "ridiculous"? Oy vey... It is when you have representation. Big example in 1n 1791 there was a a big protest over a whiskey tax. Washington sent the troops after them. It is stupid you an vote them out if you don't want it. And don't compare it to the Boston Tea Party. Also I laughed when I saw this lady on CNN said we need to go back to the founding principals of our country. Yeah lady if went back to them you wouldn't have the right to vote. Also are taxes aren't excessive. We have one of the lowest tax rates in the western world. It is ridiculous to say we over taxed. Besides how do we fix roads, pay for the military, pay for education, museums, national parks, etc without taxes?
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Tyler
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I hope nobody thinks it's really about taxes.
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Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:14 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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AnJon Lyrik Chigurh wrote: I hope nobody thinks it's really about taxes. I know it just a political stunt and they are using tax day to try to make Obama look bad.
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Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:19 pm |
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Krem
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:04 pm Posts: 2035 Location: Citizens Bank Park
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: Krem wrote: Protesting excessive taxation is "ridiculous"? Oy vey... It is when you have representation. Big example in 1n 1791 there was a a big protest over a whiskey tax. Washington sent the troops after them. It is stupid you an vote them out if you don't want it. And don't compare it to the Boston Tea Party. Also I laughed when I saw this lady on CNN said we need to go back to the founding principals of our country. Yeah lady if went back to them you wouldn't have the right to vote. Also are taxes aren't excessive. We have one of the lowest tax rates in the western world. It is ridiculous to say we over taxed. Besides how do we fix roads, pay for the military, pay for education, museums, national parks, etc without taxes? The representation argument is just stupid. It is not the only legitimate reason to protest high taxes. I may be represented by a U.S. Congressman, but that doesn't mean I have to like the tax rate I am paying. In a democracy, there is an issue of tyranny of the majority, and it's a very real one. With regard whether the taxes are high or what they should or should not be used to fund, that is all debatable, but that is also not the point. If you look at Obama's budget, it calls for a trillion dollars in additional expenditures (and that's before the bailout money). How do you make up the shortfall in the budget? Well, you either raise taxes or you print more money. Either option destroys the buying power of taxpayers.
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Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:59 pm |
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Krem
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: AnJon Lyrik Chigurh wrote: I hope nobody thinks it's really about taxes. I know it just a political stunt and they are using tax day to try to make Obama look bad. Oh no!! How dare they make Obama look bad? He just saved that captain, he is our hero!!! Seriously folks, it is possible to disagree with Obama on the issues.
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Groucho
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Apparently it isn't really a grass roots movement, and is really being organized by some high end lobbyists and other GOP operatives, led by consultant Dick Armey.
And, as Keith Olberman pointed out, if you're going to have teabagging all over the country, you really need a Dick Armey.
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Krem
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That's high-brow journalism right there 
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Jim Halpert
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yeah i've known about the tea parties for a few months now, there is one up by my campus that i might go. as for the debate on taxes, I side with krem.
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Beeblebrox
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Krem wrote: Protesting excessive taxation is "ridiculous"? Oy vey... Yeah, cause that's what it's about. Obama CUT taxes for 95% of Americans. He wants to increase taxes on the top 1% from a marginal tax rate of 35% to 39%. GASP! Right-wing god Ronald Reagan had a marginal tax rate of 50% through most of his two terms. Where were the teabaggers then? The Tea Parties were really started by libertarian Ron Paul supporters during the last year of the Bush administration, and then were co-opted by these right-wing nutballs who have no idea what they're really protesting. They say it's about big government, but where were they the last 8 years? They JUST now decided to get outraged at excessive government the day Obama was elected? Gimme a break. These are the same nimrods who created the DHS, advocated for MORE executive power for the president, stood by while it targeted "left wing extremists" like anti-war demonstrators and environmentalists (and saying that as long as you have nothing to hide, what are you worried about), and are JUST NOW having hissy fits because the DHS recently mentioned "right wing extremists" in its report. These people are clowns.
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Loyal
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redspear
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Krem wrote: The representation argument is just stupid. It is not the only legitimate reason to protest high taxes. I may be represented by a U.S. Congressman, but that doesn't mean I have to like the tax rate I am paying. In a democracy, there is an issue of tyranny of the majority, and it's a very real one. Except for Gay Marriage than it is let the people vote. Krem of course you can protest high tax rates but why protest them when they are going down. I mean how can a person complain about taxes when they have done nothing but drop and IMO may be a tad to low. The only place in this country that has a legitamate claim to reject taxes IMO is Washington DC.
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Mr. Reynolds
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Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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Well, Chicago also has a pretty high tax rate. I think we are up to 11.5% right now.
Anyway... I can't find the link, but someone said it is unAmerican to want less taxes and I agree.
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Beeblebrox
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redspear wrote: Krem of course you can protest high tax rates but why protest them when they are going down. I mean how can a person complain about taxes when they have done nothing but drop and IMO may be a tad to low. Because the taxes, should they go up, will be going up on the richest 5%. And that's how you really spark the outrage of conservatives.
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Grill
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Waiter > I wouldn't mine a nice glass of white tea right now.
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Grill
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Krem wrote: Protesting excessive taxation is "ridiculous"? Oy vey... forget about income taxes, even though they are bad enough... but what about sales taxes!!!!!! Damn it, you are taxed when you make the money ( federal, state and maybe city??? ) and you are taxed when you spend the money. Talk about Double Taxiation > total BS!!!!!!
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Rev
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32581 Location: the last free city
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Groucho wrote: Apparently it isn't really a grass roots movement, and is really being organized by some high end lobbyists and other GOP operatives, led by consultant Dick Armey.
And, as Keith Olberman pointed out, if you're going to have teabagging all over the country, you really need a Dick Armey.  Oh Keith
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Jedi Master Carr
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I still think it is stupid and besides if you are going to do it right you need to copy what they did. You need to get a bunch of rum, get wasted, dress up like Indians and throw tea out into a river. I have no problems with the taxes as I said other countries pay twice as much as we do. You people are just whiners.
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Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:28 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Krem wrote: Jedi Master Carr wrote: Krem wrote: Protesting excessive taxation is "ridiculous"? Oy vey... It is when you have representation. Big example in 1n 1791 there was a a big protest over a whiskey tax. Washington sent the troops after them. It is stupid you an vote them out if you don't want it. And don't compare it to the Boston Tea Party. Also I laughed when I saw this lady on CNN said we need to go back to the founding principals of our country. Yeah lady if went back to them you wouldn't have the right to vote. Also are taxes aren't excessive. We have one of the lowest tax rates in the western world. It is ridiculous to say we over taxed. Besides how do we fix roads, pay for the military, pay for education, museums, national parks, etc without taxes? The representation argument is just stupid. It is not the only legitimate reason to protest high taxes. I may be represented by a U.S. Congressman, but that doesn't mean I have to like the tax rate I am paying. In a democracy, there is an issue of tyranny of the majority, and it's a very real one. With regard whether the taxes are high or what they should or should not be used to fund, that is all debatable, but that is also not the point. If you look at Obama's budget, it calls for a trillion dollars in additional expenditures (and that's before the bailout money). How do you make up the shortfall in the budget? Well, you either raise taxes or you print more money. Either option destroys the buying power of taxpayers. Tyranny of the majority? That is just a dumb expression we live in a democracy and the majority rules so I guess 4 years ago when you republicans were calling democrats whinners for not liking Bush now you turn around and do it yourself. Besides that is impossible in a democracy, the definition of tyranny is autocratic rule which means no elections.
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Loyal
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between the tea parties and talk of Texas succession, the ugly side of Obama's win has crept into view.
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nghtvsn
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: AnJon Lyrik Chigurh wrote: I hope nobody thinks it's really about taxes. I know it just a political stunt and they are using tax day to try to make Obama look bad. Obama doesn't need these people to make himself look bad. He's doing it all by himself... wiretapping, detainee rights, appointees who don't pay taxes, signing EOs covering bonuses, unbelievable spending, pro tarp, pro fed, anti gun, pro abortion, pro illegals, pro nafta, pro UN, pro pork spending, continued trade embargo on Cuba I guess all the above or most anyway makes him look good, right? At least he and the kids a beautiful new dog for us to gush over.
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Tyler
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Weren't sanctions on Cuba lifted? Not sure really.
The wiretapping backslide pisses me off. I'm not sure if our currently pissed off attitude on the state of things will ever really matter.
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Groucho
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Most of the anti-Obama complaint about the wiretapping is coming from liberals and democrats, actually. For some reason, the right doesn't think it's that big of a deal.
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