i'm talking about the cylons they fought. sure that raptor fired rockets but not all of them were dead. are they implying that they all just ended up dying off cause they couldn't reproduce? in that case, the centurions of the original faction should have still survived.

all in all, decent finale .. adama putting that ring on rosayln was a sad moment.

That raptor fired nukes and I think the Cylon ship was falling apart. I am sure what was left of the cylons on that ship didn't last too much longer since they couldn't reproduce. I also doubt they could find the rest of humanity considering the shape they were in.

but in the previous episode, they kept mentioning how other base ships were jumping in and out... so not everyone was on that big ship.

Very solid finale although I find it hard to believe the people would allow the fleet to be destroyed so easily.

More Questions:

- How did Kara and Lee's team escape after getting Hera
- I was under the impression that on the original earth, the cylons could copulate. but saul had lived for thousands of years. did they survive that long on the new earth? and if not, then does that mean the entire race of cylons died out on new earth, with their blood line only carried forth by a half blood hera?

Through the rammed Battlestar Entrance that Lee came in on.


Saul and the final 5 were normal human being cylons and during the course of his 60 year life on Earth Mark 1 Saul (and later others) developed ressurection technology so that when they died the first time (during the nuke blast on Earth Mark 1) they ressurected. Then from there they ressurected over and over again like the Cylons we've come to know and love.


Hera is Mitochondrial Eve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve which is why the show is dated at 150,000.

The Cylon bloodline from Earth Mark 1 was not carried forward given that (theoretically) the Eights, Twos and Sixes (the surviving Cylon Models that made it to earth Mark 2) theoretically shared no genetic material with the Final 5 Cylons because they were literally not true "children" of the Final 5. Theoretically... depends on how they were created and where their genetic material came from.

Kara Thrace brings the human race (of the 12 Colonies fame) to their closure, theoretically they develop with the Cylons into Earth Mark 2 humans, which are Hybrids. "Death" and "to their end" are just dramatic ways to throw off an audience, assume that the ending is as bad as possible.


That was the Head!Six and Head!Baltar.


The mechanical Cylons were not the ones that launched the war against the humans, it's been estabished that the Ones (Cavils) and the Fours (Simons) were altering the programming and labotimizing the metal Cylons. The "Plan", is Cavil's. His model boxed Daniel, then the Final 5, probably eliminated and hid knowledge from his brothers and sisters (the remaining 6 surviving humalons) and altered the programming of the metal cylons.

It's true that other Baseships survived, however it can be assumed that perhaps the "freed" Metal cylons (the ones that rebelled and were subsequently freed by Natalie, the Sixes, Eights and Twos) met up with the others and decided just to find their own destiny.

Throughout the series it has been implied that the mechanical Cylons, once freed of the Humanoid Cylons are actually more morally and ethically advanced than the Humalons or the Humans.


She isn't. That was her father who played the piano with her. Kara Thrace *actually, actually* died in Season 3 Ron Moore came out and said that Daniel was there to explain why there were 8 models of "Cylon Children" and being that Daniel Greystone is Eric Stolz's character in Caprica, is probably just a nod to that show.

He apologized for thowing the thing about Daniel out there because so many people picked up upon it and it wasn't meant to be a big deal.

I have to admit that I love the whole "hand of God" thing because if you go back all the way through the series from the first season on, Head!Six always tells Baltar that she is an angel of God, over and over. The answer was right there the whole time essentially.

I’ve been reading a lot of forums… elsewhere about the finale and thought I would post my thoughts here just to get them out.

#1 – People are reading the end of the series as anti-technology, which isn’t necessarily the case (don’t the Cylons themselves represent that?) I think Lee and co. are just being realistic about what they have left and choosing to forge ahead conscious of what they have vs. mope about what they don’t have (hello New Caprica!).

Who’s gonna build and run the power station that is going to pump power into the computers they salvage from the ships? Who is going to be there to rebuild the computers anyway? It took centuries of human knowledge to develop the computer systems, are we saying that there, amongst the 38,000 random human survivors (because we know that, ironically, the Cylons are crap with computer knowledge, probably thanks to Cavil reprogramming them) someone to fulfill every role that would be needed to support that infrastructure?

#2 – Lee was right. To put this in perspective, 75,000 years ago the human population may have been decimated to 1,000 breeding pairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory). Imagine if they had all stuck together and built a city?

According to the show, Humanity on Earth has survived a lot longer than the last cycle at least since Kobol. Look at it this way, we don’t know what happened before Kobol, but the Colonies/Earth Mark 1 lasted a total of 4,000 years.

I’d say 150,000 years is a mark of success. That doesn’t mean that humanity hasn’t had its share of “Dark Ages” since they found Earth mark 2. But I think the show assumes that because the language, cars, and the basic “framework” of society lasted so long (imprinted in our collective memories maybe) that Lee and everyone were essentially correct, and their decision was justified in the end, which is all Galactica has ever been about… the ends justify the means.

#3 – Throwing the fleet into the sun…

1. A lot of the remaining ships can’t land on the planet to begin with as it was established that they lost a few of those ships in the escape from New Caprica and obviously more along the way. And without Galactica it would be useless for the Colonials to keep a vigilant watch on the planet from the Astral Queen or the Zephyr. Besides, I think I can name on one hand the number of jumps the fleet made without Galactica’s obviously superior navigational computers (assuming that Demetrius looks like it got a bit of a Galactica upgrade itself). And I’m guessing the supplies on the tylium ship(s) are more valuable on the ground then floating around in orbit.

2. A lot of these ships had problems of their own, both from overuse and we can imagine from serious damage sustained from “The Passage” and the battles since then. We can only imagine that the space and supply problems on Galactica were even worse elsewhere in the fleet. We learned in “Islanded In A Stream of Stars” that the other ships were desperate for gear from the Galactica almost from the start of the series.

3. I don’t think most of the people remaining on these vessels have strong emotional ties to spending more time on them with a few rare exceptions. Honestly, do we think Colonial One’s captain wants to spend 4 more years amongst the blood-stained cabins of an empty ship?

4. Obviously the ships were gutted for everything before they all went to Earth Mark 2. But because of the problems of New Caprica, its likely there wasn’t much left to take to begin with.

So what do you do? You leave the ships floating in Earth’s orbit until someday the orbit decays and the ships come crashing down? Leave 2 or 3 people rotating watch on ships that aren’t going anywhere ever (because nobody’s gonna mine that tylium when they could be down cavorting amongst gazelles).

By Lee making sweeping proclamations about the Colonial’s fate, it just saved us 2 hours of votes from ships captains and minor drama and angst about how they set up Earth. Which, because I like that kind of torture, I would have loved to seen, but the same effect is there, and Moore and co. just didn’t have time. The rest was just the poetic, symbolic move of throwing their “getaways” into the sun and truly making a break.

#4 – Religion was part of the show since its inception, so the fact that the show had an unexplained God element was (to me) welcome. HeadSix never, ever lied to Baltar about what she was (except really when she was playing with him about the chip thing). The point of the story was not in discovering the identity of what we now call “The Angels” but watching the character’s belief and acceptance of that “force of nature” grow. Kara exists as an avatar from God because if God showed up and just said “everything will be alright” nobody would believe her/him/it. The God of the show essentially hijacked Kara Thrace, a person of great importance in the fleet, and used her to guide everyone “to the end”.

And in the end, if Kara is indeed an Angel (or even a direct manifestation of God herself... HeadBaltar's quote in the show's coda referring to "it doesn't like to be called that" (a "He?") then I’m happier with no explanation any more than we got, because I would have rather not have Battlestar Galactica turn into Touched by an Angel and get super weird and new-age-spiritual on us. I think it was just a right touch on that story without going overboard.

I need to catch up with the show because all this talk about angels and tossing the fleet into the sun makes little sense out of context.

I've gone back in time and deduced the last episode I've seen was Exodus: Parts I and II. So about 37 hours of television to go.

I think that was the most thrilling, satisfying, thought-provoking ending to a TV series I've ever seen. I was cacking my pants that it wouldn't live up to my (sky-high) expectations, but it actually kinda managed to exceed them. Perfect.

So say we all?

Sadly, ever since i saw the series finale to the Shield, its become impossible for any show to equal its greatness.

Aren't you forgetting a little episode called "Endgame" from Star Trek: Voyager?

I also saw Kara as a reference to Gandalf who died and was resurrected for one purpose destroy Sauron. You could argue something similar there that she was brought back to complete her task.

Yeah, there's that.

My friend says that the in Portugese there is no separate word for Dove or Pidgeon, so in the bible the pidgeon is a symbol of the Holy Ghost.

Not being particularly religious, I didn't see that reference but was curious about it. It makes sense.

I'm portuguese and I just only realized that there is no separate word for dove or pidgeon... strange both are called pomba which is also a slang term for vagina.

Just started the Caprica pilot ans all I can say is WTF!!!

Its BSG via Gossip Girl. The first 5 minutes had a mass orgy a fight club and a shooting. Slow down show!

Alas the nudity is brief.....I think I was to unprepared to take it in. Its an all new cast the only link initally to BSG is Adama's grandfather would plays some odd assassin operative thingy guy.

The pilot was pretty solid once you got past the jarring opening and the proto cylons = geekgasm!

Yes. Male parts.

Where is Snrubs view I know he partakes in the interwebs piracy like myself! Also Christian don't make me rewatch to check for male parts...................wait..................backing up!!

I'm viewing it at a mate's tomorrow. I'll try to report in with my views shortly thereafter.

Your Gossip Girl comments haven't instilled me with confidence...

Nope earlier models like the T-1's you see in Terminator 3. The red light glow is all present though.

A little late but anyway: Holy frack! The final was a two hour battle with my tears. Best.Show.Ever!

I find the BSG ending massively depressing lately. I have watched it multiple times and each time lately I just cry because none of them get remembered. They contribute to the Earth gene pool and thats it and even then some don't. Adama and Roslin despite all the sacrifice get forgotten and their effort means nothing in the end. Its just one of the most tragic show endings I have ever seen.

And what of Hera? She dies as a young adult? So all the 12 colony survivors end up with short painful lives?

Ok enough OTT shit from me. Caprica I loved the pilot and look forward tothe series.