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Jmart
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Magnus wrote: Pats aren't making it to the SB next year even if Moss stays. San Diego, Indy, or Jags will beat them before they even make the AFC Championship game. Their offense is going go down by a lot. And their defense is old and I don't see it improving.
Oh, and the Giants are missing the playoffs next year. Steelers, another surprise team that completley shocked everyone, won SB in 2006 and missed the playoffs the year later. The Chargers? As I said, they'll do everything within their power to get back to the game next year, especially following the way they lost tonight. They have the seventh pick. They'll use that for an offensive lineman. Then there's free agency. They have a shitload of money to spend. They're going to spend it. Last year they used it to improve the offense, because they lost in the AFC Championship because of it. Guess what will happen this year.........
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Shack
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Eh, with Pittsburgh "Ben" was severly banged up/injured and they had to adjust to losing Cowher and that The Bus running back guy(actually forgot his real name, lol). Giants won't have to deal with those things.
Btw in response to your previous post Magnus, I think it's a similar situation as the Cavs-Pistons Game 5 last year... The first 3 1/2 quarters were just a regular game, nothing special, but the last half of the 4th and OT were SO amazing that it ranks as one of the best and most memorable games I've ever seen. The ending makes a great game.
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Shack wrote: Eh, with Pittsburgh "Ben" was severly banged up/injured and they had to adjust to losing Cowher and that The Bus running back guy(actually forgot his real name, lol). Giants won't have to deal with those things. Um, Jerome Bettis?
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Shack
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Magnus wrote: makeshift wrote: Removing the game from its context to judge it is a preposterous thing to do. Of course it was made all the better because of what was at stake, and I would argue that very thing made the entire game thrilling, edge-of-your-seat entertainment. Every time the Giant pass-rush ripped through the line and planted Brady, I was thrilled. Every time Belichick's ridonkulous ego got the best of him, I was hooked. Every single call felt important, every play felt potentially game-breaking. You knew in the back of your mind if the Pats got up 14-3 at any point in that game, it was probably over. And that made every possession life and death throughout the entire second and third quarter. The back-and-forth of the fourth quarter only sealed the deal, and it was all capped with stunning plays. I think the fact that you could see the desperation in the Giants defense, and you could literally see them exhausting in front of you made kind of made things transcend to a higher level. Being bias is the worst thing you can do in judging a game. If I wanted to be bias, I would say that Cowboys v. Steelers in Superbowl XXX was the greatest SB ever because I was happy throughout because my team fucking won. I've been a non-bias viewer of SB for this entire decade because I have either liked both teams (such as last year with the Colts/Bears) or hated them (such as this year). And honestly, I got bored during the game this year. It was close, but it was just boring. It just became way too reptitive. The last ten minutes changed a lot, but up until then, it was really not that exciting. Well I think you're probably pretty alone in that then... I personally don't like watching football at all, and I had a great time with this game, it just... kicked ass.
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trixster wrote: Shack wrote: Eh, with Pittsburgh "Ben" was severly banged up/injured and they had to adjust to losing Cowher and that The Bus running back guy(actually forgot his real name, lol). Giants won't have to deal with those things. Um, Jerome Bettis? Yeah, I think that's it. 
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Magnus wrote: Jmart007 wrote: The Chargers? You do realize that if the Chargers had LT and Rivers at even 90% during the AFC game, they probably would have beaten the Pats. Chargers honestly fucked up that conference game pretty bad. Nah. There was no way Norv Turner and Philip Rivers were dethroning Bellichek's perfect season. They didn't have it in them, they would've found a way to lose anyways no doubt.
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Jmart
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Magnus wrote: Jmart007 wrote: The Chargers? You do realize that if the Chargers had LT and Rivers at even 90% during the AFC game, they probably would have beaten the Pats. Chargers honestly fucked up that conference game pretty bad. That's because - Say it with me. "They're the Chargers."
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Rev
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Just want to say Pats without Moss is like any other team in the NFL. If Moss and the Pats are smart they will stay together and if they are smarter they'll get younger on defense....fast. Shack wrote: Magnus wrote: makeshift wrote: Removing the game from its context to judge it is a preposterous thing to do. Of course it was made all the better because of what was at stake, and I would argue that very thing made the entire game thrilling, edge-of-your-seat entertainment. Every time the Giant pass-rush ripped through the line and planted Brady, I was thrilled. Every time Belichick's ridonkulous ego got the best of him, I was hooked. Every single call felt important, every play felt potentially game-breaking. You knew in the back of your mind if the Pats got up 14-3 at any point in that game, it was probably over. And that made every possession life and death throughout the entire second and third quarter. The back-and-forth of the fourth quarter only sealed the deal, and it was all capped with stunning plays. I think the fact that you could see the desperation in the Giants defense, and you could literally see them exhausting in front of you made kind of made things transcend to a higher level. Being bias is the worst thing you can do in judging a game. If I wanted to be bias, I would say that Cowboys v. Steelers in Superbowl XXX was the greatest SB ever because I was happy throughout because my team fucking won. I've been a non-bias viewer of SB for this entire decade because I have either liked both teams (such as last year with the Colts/Bears) or hated them (such as this year). And honestly, I got bored during the game this year. It was close, but it was just boring. It just became way too reptitive. The last ten minutes changed a lot, but up until then, it was really not that exciting. Well I think you're probably pretty alone in that then... I personally don't like watching football at all, and I had a great time with this game, it just... kicked ass. bias or not this was a great game. everyone knew how powerfull that Pats offense can be and for the Giants D to hold them to only 2 scoring drive is freaking fantastic. Eli driving his team for the last score made it one of the best games...ever.
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I didn't feel bored either the first three quarters, and I think it's because even though it's low scoring, there were in fact some long time-consuming drives such as the opening one, so it didn't feel two teams were just punting the ball to each other all day. And Giants' defensive effort, especially the front four, was simply epic, so even when it's 3-and-out, it's exciting to watch.
From all the Superbowls I watched live on TV (from 1995 on), I'd have this right behind the Broncos/Packers one, which had more back-and-forth with its own signature play (Elway's 6-yard dash and leap).
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Magnus wrote: Jmart007 wrote: That's because - Say it with me.
"They're the Chargers." That's the same thing people said about the Giants. Shack wrote: Well I think you're probably pretty alone in that then... I personally don't like watching football at all, and I had a great time with this game, it just... kicked ass. I actually do think most non-football fans loved this game. But honestly, as someone who has watched football passionatley since 1995, I just did not think that the game as a whole was that great. Hell, I don't even think this was the best game of the season. Pats-Indy or Pats-Ravens were better. Those were games where you had a variety mix of great offense and defense (and some special teams) coming from both teams consistently throughout the game. And I actually hated the outcome of both those games as the teams I wanted to win didn't win. In this, I really was apathetic on who won. Dude, don't even try and pull the "I'm a bigger football fan, so I know the game better" card. Just like you, I've been passionately watching both College and Pro football for a long time. Since 1993, in fact. I know what makes a good game, and there are tons of varying factors. Shootouts can be good games. Defensive struggles can be good games. "Mixes" can be good games. And yes, the context and the situation can make a good game. The idea of total impartiality when watching a sporting event is a fallacy. I can assure you, even die hard Patriot fans will consider this one of the best games ever. Most of the supposedly "impartial" talking heads have already labeled it that as well.
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Rev
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xiayun wrote: I didn't feel bored either the first three quarters, and I think it's because even though it's low scoring, there were in fact some long time-consuming drives such as the opening one, so it didn't feel two teams were just punting the ball to each other all day. And Giants' defensive effort, especially the front four, was simply epic, so even when it's 3-and-out, it's exciting to watch.From all the Superbowls I watched live on TV (from 1995 on), I'd have this right behind the Broncos/Packers one. i would rank them: 1 Niners/Cinn '88 ('Montana to Taylor, Touchdown!'  my first and forever fav) 2 This one (Eli epic game winning drive to end the hated Pats perfect season quest) 3 Rams/Titans (Titans missed sending the game to OT by 1 lousy yard) 4 Giants/Bills (Norwood missed game winning fg) 5 Pats/Rams (grrrr! damn u Vinny)
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Jmart
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Magnus wrote: Jmart007 wrote: That's because - Say it with me.
"They're the Chargers." That's the same thing people said about the Giants. A couple of big differences though. The Giants weren't a bunch of loud mouth schmucks and were just focused on winning. Their defense was also much, much better, and not just against the Patriots. Quote: Hell, I don't even think this was the best game of the season. Pats-Indy or Pats-Ravens were better. Those were games where you had a variety mix of great offense and defense (and some special teams) coming from both teams consistently throughout the game. And I actually hated the outcome of both those games as the teams I wanted to win didn't win. In this, I really was apathetic on who won. I have to agree here. The last 10 minutes make the game legendary, there's not doubting that. But, the game overall wasn't very well played. The first 50 minutes were simply awful. Both teams couldn't do anything with the football. At least the game moved quickly though. Some people will say I am biased with two of these three, but Rams/Titans, Patriots/Rams and Patriots/Panthers were easily much Super Bowl's. All three of those games were like watching a boxing match just waiting for the other team to drop with the next punch. This game was like watching a boxing match where both boxers just dance around for most of the fight. A couple of jabs are then thrown before a big one lands.
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makeshift wrote: I can assure you, even die hard Patriot fans will consider this one of the best games ever. Most of the supposedly "impartial" talking heads have already labeled it that as well. Or the worst, but that's kind of parallel to best in this case for die hard Patriot fans.
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Shack
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Makeshift's words are elegant even when talking about sports. Btw Rev, how old are you? I always assumed you were like 17 or something, but if saw '88 Superbowl...
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Rev
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Shack wrote: Btw Rev, how old are you? I always assumed you were like 17 or something, but if saw '88 Superbowl... i turn 32 in august 
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Shack
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Jmart007 wrote: Magnus wrote: Jmart007 wrote: That's because - Say it with me.
"They're the Chargers." That's the same thing people said about the Giants. A couple of big differences though. The Giants weren't a bunch of loud mouth schmucks and were just focused on winning. Their defense was also much, much better, and not just against the Patriots. Quote: Hell, I don't even think this was the best game of the season. Pats-Indy or Pats-Ravens were better. Those were games where you had a variety mix of great offense and defense (and some special teams) coming from both teams consistently throughout the game. And I actually hated the outcome of both those games as the teams I wanted to win didn't win. In this, I really was apathetic on who won. I have to agree here. The last 10 minutes make the game legendary, there's not doubting that. But, the game overall wasn't very well played. The first 50 minutes were simply awful. Both teams couldn't do anything with the football. At least the game moved quickly though. Some people will say I am biased with two of these three, but Rams/Titans, Patriots/Rams and Patriots/Panthers were easily much Super Bowl's. All three of those games were like watching a boxing match just waiting for the other team to drop with the next punch. This game was like watching a boxing match where both boxers just dance around for most of the fight. A couple of jabs are then thrown before a big one lands. Eh, it doesn't matter if the game itself wasn't extremely well played, it's still legendary regardless because of the historical implications involved and underdog result. Ali vs George Foreman on a regular scale was a horrible shit fight, Ali did the rope-a-dope for 4 rounds then knocked him out in a few seconds. But it's still legendary for a bunch of other reasons, and because of that it still ranks among the most memorable fights ever and was probably one of the most exciting in its time.
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Jmart
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Shack wrote: Jmart007 wrote: Magnus wrote: Jmart007 wrote: That's because - Say it with me.
"They're the Chargers." That's the same thing people said about the Giants. A couple of big differences though. The Giants weren't a bunch of loud mouth schmucks and were just focused on winning. Their defense was also much, much better, and not just against the Patriots. Quote: Hell, I don't even think this was the best game of the season. Pats-Indy or Pats-Ravens were better. Those were games where you had a variety mix of great offense and defense (and some special teams) coming from both teams consistently throughout the game. And I actually hated the outcome of both those games as the teams I wanted to win didn't win. In this, I really was apathetic on who won. I have to agree here. The last 10 minutes make the game legendary, there's not doubting that. But, the game overall wasn't very well played. The first 50 minutes were simply awful. Both teams couldn't do anything with the football. At least the game moved quickly though. Some people will say I am biased with two of these three, but Rams/Titans, Patriots/Rams and Patriots/Panthers were easily much Super Bowl's. All three of those games were like watching a boxing match just waiting for the other team to drop with the next punch. This game was like watching a boxing match where both boxers just dance around for most of the fight. A couple of jabs are then thrown before a big one lands. Eh, it doesn't matter if the game itself wasn't extremely well played, it's still legendary regardless because of the historical implications involved and underdog result. Ali-Frazier on a regular scale was a horrible shit fight, Ali did the rope-a-dope for 4 rounds then knocked him out in a few seconds. But it's still legendary for a bunch of other reasons, and because of that it still ranks among the most memorable fights ever and was probably one of the most exciting in its time. EDIT - Not Frazier, Foreman. Wrong name. As I hinted at but didn't quite say, the final 10 minutes make the game legendary and memorable. The game itself though was quite bad. And I'd still feel that way even if the Patriots had won the game.
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If it wasn't for the 19-0 thing... I'd agree with you. Eli's drive would = the Titans failed inches. But with the pursuit of perfection and in part Brady probably cementing himself as the best QB ever if he won this, it pushes it to another level. And because of that, the 4th quarter was THAT much more exciting.
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Who else was legitimately nervous when the Pats got the ball back with 29 seconds left? Any other team under any under situation, and you feel like the game is over. Not here though.
And Magnus... c'mon. The sloppiest Super Bowl you've ever seen? Super Bowl XLI, Super Bowl XL, Super Bowl XXXVII, Super Bowl XXXV... those were all way more "sloppy" than this one. And those are all just recently.
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Magnus wrote: Not to mention, when Brady did actually have time, he threw a lot of badly thrown balls. I know, I can't but wonder if his ankle was as much of a factor as feared.
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Levy
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Excel wrote: Hats off to the Giabtrs but the mvp wasnt Eli it was Matt light with his 2 drive destroying false starts; hell why not the whole offensie line?
Horrible pass pritection, oh my god horrendous run blocking maroney was getting swarmed before he crossed the line... That's why the Pats are disliked as well. The whole "we can only beat ourselves"-attitude. The Giants won it, it wasn't handed to them. You could make the same argument for Antonio Pierce being the MVP because of the Interference call if the Pats won. The Giants DL dominated because they are fantastic. Giants should give Steve Spagnuolo a lifetime contract and make him the highest paid assistant coach. He's the single most reason the Giants came so far.
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Levy
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Munk·E wrote: I read through everything from the start of the game on.
Levy has got to be the WORST fan in the history of sports.
Every other post is either hating on "his" team, or loving them.
I would NEVER do that. I'm pessimistic by nature. Plus: Being this pessimistic brought my team so far. Why change that and jinx it? Plus: I am worse than all those bandwagon Patriots/Giants/whatever fans? You're just bummed "your" team lost. I have been a Giants fan since I was 12 years old - and that despite being in a country where American Football is a non event (just 500 000 people saw this years Superbowl)
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Levy wrote: Excel wrote: Hats off to the Giabtrs but the mvp wasnt Eli it was Matt light with his 2 drive destroying false starts; hell why not the whole offensie line?
Horrible pass pritection, oh my god horrendous run blocking maroney was getting swarmed before he crossed the line... That's why the Pats are disliked as well. The whole "we can only beat ourselves"-attitude. The Giants won it, it wasn't handed to them. You could make the same argument for Antonio Pierce being the MVP because of the Interference call if the Pats won. The Giants DL dominated because they are fantastic. Giants should give Steve Spagnuolo a lifetime contract and make him the highest paid assistant coach. He's the single most reason the Giants came so far. Because its true and everybody knows it; we played our worst game of the season last night. And Magnus shut it we going 16-0 next season but we finishing 19-0!
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Excel wrote: Levy wrote: Excel wrote: Hats off to the Giabtrs but the mvp wasnt Eli it was Matt light with his 2 drive destroying false starts; hell why not the whole offensie line?
Horrible pass pritection, oh my god horrendous run blocking maroney was getting swarmed before he crossed the line... That's why the Pats are disliked as well. The whole "we can only beat ourselves"-attitude. The Giants won it, it wasn't handed to them. You could make the same argument for Antonio Pierce being the MVP because of the Interference call if the Pats won. The Giants DL dominated because they are fantastic. Giants should give Steve Spagnuolo a lifetime contract and make him the highest paid assistant coach. He's the single most reason the Giants came so far. Because its true and everybody knows it; we played our worst game of the season last night. There are two possibilities for playing a bad game. Either you had a day off or maybe, just maybe, the opponent had the perfect game plan and executed it very good. The fact that you're not giving the Giants any credit for their performance bothers me. The Pats were clearly the best team of the regular season, no doubt about that, but the last few weeks they were in decline. They had one great quarter against the Jags, struggled mightily against San Diego and now were outplayed in every aspect by the Giants. The Giants have beaten four teams in the play-offs on the road that were a combined 54-13. I think you can make a fair point that the Giants came to play when it counted and were the best team of the playoffs.
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