Prime Minister Harper Suspends Parliament!!!
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Mannyisthebest
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IMO Harper is done after this... This is 100% his fault, he really forced the opposition to launch a coup!!!
Really mark my words, In a Few days or Monday there will be no official govt in Canada.
GG could award the coalition Govt power and Harper could go to the Supreme court. Meaning we do not know who will have power, the economy will just collapse. Really both sides are to blame and this was going to happen.
Really, for you American formers, in 4 years we have gone from having a strong stable Democracy to one is chaos.
Trust me this will keep happening again and again and Harper is now dead really. Our parliament will not be stable for some time know. Harper only option, is to chill out, fire Flaherty and accommodate the opposition and just start a new.
Harper made perhaps the worst political move in history. He literally wanted to starve the opposition parties, and he thought they would play along. The opposition knew it was either time to fight back or surrender.
Really it is quite sad, and I really long for the days of the stability we enjoyed under Chreatien. I do not care, what kind of man he was, he kept some sort of order and stability to this country.
The problem is in our political situation, is that we have no "wise" great man we can turn to. So, that means there will be political strife in Canada for a few months now.
lol this is like a Triumverate where the NDP will get some socialist policies passed, the liberals will take back power and the BLOC are doing well.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:10 pm |
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Neostorm
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This really makes our government look stupid. Stephen Dion makes me want to vomit. Can't they please just elect Justin Trudeau as leader? He'd be cooler than Obama lolol.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:45 am |
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Mannyisthebest
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really, I see no good options here. Whatever happens it will be bad for Canada...
You have a coalition headed by Dion!!!
and then you have a man who lusts for power and will do anything to get it, Harper.
A lot of political crises will start soon.
- Harper can easily suspend Parliament till Late January and hope everyone will chill out. If Harper asks the GG to suspend Parliament, she must comply, so I think this will happen. This would then raise the question, that the PM can suspend Parliament anytime things go wrong.
-A big one will be on Dec, 8th, when the Governor General will face the PM who has been defeated who will then call for elections. She could deny that right and allow another party to take over. The crisis here would be, who the hell is the GG to decide such matters. The problem is then who then would decide such matters. What could happen is that Harper could bypass GG and go the supreme court. That would in turn severely lessen the role of the GG and we could see a move to abolish the role, if Harper stays on.
The King Byng crisis would be nothing in comparison!!!
-Another unknown factor, is that the GG could simply play dead and decide she will do nothing and ask the Parliament to settle its own affairs, however it is her job to make sure there is some sort of order in the Parliament.
It is going to be strange having the PM and the three opposition leaders in front of the Governor General and she will pick between the two will be in charge? A appointed person will have this pivotal rule which can change Canadian political history.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:24 am |
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Box
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God, this is so pathetic.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:44 am |
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Cotton
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I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, but a lot of people this week have shown that they don't know how our parliament functions.
The Conservatives do not have a majority. The Coalition would have a majority. That is not quite the same as the government being overthrown in a coup d'etat.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:42 am |
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Box
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Cotton wrote: I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, but a lot of people this week have shown that they don't know how our parliament functions.
The Conservatives do not have a majority. The Coalition would have a majority. That is not quite the same as the government being overthrown in a coup d'etat. Totally.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:45 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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This Harper guy sounds like a total douche bag, eh...
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trixster
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Cotton wrote: I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, but a lot of people this week have shown that they don't know how our parliament functions.
The Conservatives do not have a majority. The Coalition would have a majority. That is not quite the same as the government being overthrown in a coup d'etat. Yes, but the people did not vote for the Coalition. They voted for the individual parties. If I voted for the NDP, I wouldn't necessarily want to see them get into bed with the Bloc in order to take power. I don't like the Conservatives, but they won the election. Just because they have a minority doesn't mean the other parties can team up and change our government. What kind of democracy is that?
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Bradley Witherberry
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trixster wrote: I don't like the Conservatives, but they won the election. Just because they have a minority doesn't mean the other parties can team up and change our government. What kind of democracy is that? Coalition governments are quite common in many fully democratic countries... Quote: Coalitions composed of few parties
In Germany, for instance, coalition government is the norm, as it is rare for either the CDU/CSU or SPD to win an unqualified majority in a national election. Thus, at the federal level, governments are formed with at least one of the smaller parties. For example, Helmut Kohl's CDU governed for years in coalition with the FDP and from 1998 to 2005 Gerhard Schröder's SPD was in power with the Greens. A similar situation exists in Israel with its dozens of different parties (only once in its electoral history has one party managed to gain a majority of seats in the Knesset). The centre-right, Likud, thus forms coalitions with far-right and orthodox groups, while the Israeli Labor Party allies itself with the more leftist and pacifist parties, while various centrist parties can and do join either party. In both countries, grand coalitions of the two large parties also occur, but these are relatively rare and large parties usually prefer to associate with small ones (though ironically, currently both Israel's and Germany's governments include the two largest parties). However, if none of the larger parties can receive enough votes to form their preferred coalition, a grand coalition might be their only choice for forming a government. This is the current situation in Germany: in early elections, the CDU/CSU did not garner enough votes to form a majority coalition with the FDP; similarly the SPD and Greens did not have enough votes to continue on with their formerly ruling coalition. A grand coalition government was subsequently forged between the CDU/CSU and the SPD. Partnerships like these typically involve carefully structured cabinets. The CDU/CSU ended up holding the Chancellory while, the SPD took the majority of cabinet posts. In Ireland, coalition governments are quite common with a single party not having ruled since 1989. Coalitions are typically formed of two or more parties always consisting of one of the two biggest parties, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and one or more smaller parties or independent members of parliament. The current government consists of Fianna Fáil, the Green Party, the Progressive Democrats and supported by independents.
Coalitions composed of many parties
A coalition government may consist of any number of parties. In Germany, the coalitions rarely consist of more than two parties (where CDU and CSU, two non-competing parties which always form a single caucus, are in this regard considered a single party), while in Belgium, where there are separate Dutch and French parties for each political grouping, coalition cabinets of up to six parties are quite common. India's present governing coalition, the United Progressive Alliance, consists of 13 separate parties. In Finland, no party has had an absolute majority in the parliament since independence, and multi-party coalitions have been the norm. Finland experienced its most stable government (Lipponen I and II) since independence with a five-party governing coalition, so called "rainbow government". The Lipponen cabinets set the stability record, and were unusual in the respect that both moderate (SDP) and extreme left wing (Left Alliance) sat in the government with the major right-wing party (National Coalition). The current government (Vanhanen II) is a four-party coalition. Japan is experiencing coalition governments since 1990s, which came into existence in 1993 after the defeat of Liberal Democratic Party, and it is present till today. Israel's governing coalitions meanwhile can include up to nine parties and are notoriously unstable as a result. In Australia, the conservative Liberal and National parties are united in an effectively permanent coalition. This coalition has become so stable, at least at the federal level, that the lower house of parliament has become a two-party house. In the United Kingdom, coalition governments (sometimes known as National Governments) have only been appointed in times of national crisis. The most prominent was the National Government of 1931-1940. There were multi-party coalitions during both World Wars. Apart from this, when no party has had a majority, minority governments have been formed with one or more opposition parties agreeing to vote for the legislation governments need to function.
Switzerland has been ruled by a loose coalition of the four strongest parties in parliament since 1959, called the "Magic Formula".
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Beeblebrox
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Could someone explain to me this move to defund the opposition parties? Am I understanding this correctly (probably not). How does Harper explain his motivation behind this politically?
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:20 pm |
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Cotton
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trixster wrote: Yes, but the people did not vote for the Coalition. They voted for the individual parties. If I voted for the NDP, I wouldn't necessarily want to see them get into bed with the Bloc in order to take power.
I don't like the Conservatives, but they won the election. Just because they have a minority doesn't mean the other parties can team up and change our government. What kind of democracy is that? But that's simply how a minority parliament functions - the governing party has to earn the confidence of the House. Therefore, by definition, at least two parties have to work together regardless of whether you want to call it a formal coalition or not. The only difference here is that the Liberals, NDP, and the BQ are pledging to work together until a specified date. Thankfully, our parliamentary system has a few checks and balances and this is one of them. The party in power has lost the confidence of the House. They do not have the majority of votes, nor any moral authority. It would be undemocratic to keep them in power, would it not? In regards to the BQ, they're not a formal part of the coalition. They won't be in the cabinet but will support the government. The Conservatives had no qualms getting into bed with the BQ when it came to their first two budgets and several other confidence motions. I'm shocked (although not entirely surprised) that the vast majority of Conservative supporters and right-wing talking heads have conveniently forgotten that.
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Cotton
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Beeblebrox wrote: Could someone explain to me this move to defund the opposition parties? Am I understanding this correctly (probably not). How does Harper explain his motivation behind this politically? I'm not sure you're familiar with the law, but in Canada a party gets $2 every time you vote for their candidate. It was passed back in 2003 when the government banned large corporate donations. Since the Conservatives won the most votes in the last general election, they would lose the most funding from the public pool. However this would not hurt them nearly as much as the other smaller parties, who have a heavier reliance on this kind of funding. The Liberal Party (who forms the official opposition) in particular would have suffered a large setback, since they are currently over $3 million in dept. In terms of his motivation, he basically tried to conceal it as a scarcity issue in light of the current economic downturn. That the government couldn't afford the $27 million program within a $400 billion budget. The problem is that (in Canada at least) this kind of debate would have been better suited in a forum regarding electoral reform. There is a tradition that these kinds of laws are passed on a bipartisan basis with support from all parties. The problem for Harper is that he tried to unilaterally pass the law within a minority parliament and wound up getting burned big time.
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Shack
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I'm not as upset with the idea of a coalition as I am the fact that Dion and the Bloc now have power. The fucking Bloc! 
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Mannyisthebest
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POLITICAL CRISIS NOW TURNED INTO NATIONAL UNITY CRISIS!
Is anyone really troubled how this how has quickly turned from a political showdown into a national Unity Crisis.
Westerns (Canadians west of Ontario) are going nuts and imo if Harper is overthrown, they are really going to be pissed off out there and we could see some real tensions between Eastern and Western Canada. Western think Harper has really brought power back to the west and think this coalition will be a fully Eastern Based govt that will go against the west. You know take the oil money and reduce pollution and so on. It would also end all republican dreams as well of turning Canada into a republic and getting an elected senate. So nothing serious will happen, however the nation will get divided.
Imagine how pissed off Albertan will be if the GG goes against the PM!!!
Also the Separatists in Quebec are jumping in joy with this and now the PM has made the Separatists the villains and this is really causing a lot of anger and resentment in Quebec. I think Harper will lose his last seats in Quebec now. Harper has really turned English Canada against the Separatist again and my friends, this will only rile up the Separatists. I think the Separatists movement is alive again.
No Canada will not break up, but after this mess Canada will be a very divided partisan nation that really lost a lot of unity. The East VS West and the English Canada vs French Canada wars have started up again.
After 5 days of seeing Harper looking weak, Harper strikes back and is really raising the Temperature and imo Canada has not been in such a dire situation since the 1993 federal election or the 1995 Referendum.
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To update here is what can happen to the likley to the absurd.
-Harper strikes back and seems to winning the Public Relations war hands down and that could make the Coalition back off. However people do not matter here but the parliament and the Governor General.
-Harper can ask the GG to suspend Parliament, but if she refuses which would cause westerns to go ape!!, Harper must resign and step down as PM immediately!!!! Then there would be a no confidence vote and then the Tory Leadership will ask the GG for new elections. She can refuse and allow for the other parties to take charge or -He waits for the No confidence vote, asks the GG for elections, she refuses and asks the Coalition to form govt.
-Harper can just wait for the vote, be defeated and allow the Coalition to take over and just wait for them to screw up which they will.
-Harper can wait for the vote, ask the GG for election and we have elections only 2 months after the last elections. He will likely easily win the election though now imo and could get a majority. or - The GG refuses elections and Harper then causes a greater crisis by saying the GG has no say. Why should an unelected person have such power and that The PM is the head of state. The PM is in charge and screw her I am in charge. Unlikely as that would be like Julius Caesar would do and would really send Canada back 200 years.
-The GG can refuse new elections and refuse a new Govt and force the 4 parties to work together. That is what I would pick....
-Harper stands down and says I am sorry and the coalition backs down and says "we did what we wanted"...
For political junkies like me, its amazing what is going on, but to Canadians its a disgrace and really we need some real statesman in that place.
I cannot believe the place that had great leader like MacDonald, King, Laurier, Pearson, Trudeau is in such a state.
I wonder what Trudeau would think about seeing his party in bed with the separatist.
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Mannyisthebest wrote: To update here is what can happen to the likley to the absurd.
-Harper strikes back and seems to winning the Public Relations war hands down and that could make the Coalition back off. However people do not matter here but the parliament and the Governor General.
-Harper can ask the GG to suspend Parliament, but if she refuses which would cause westerns to go ape!!, Harper must resign and step down as PM immediately!!!! Then there would be a no confidence vote and then the Tory Leadership will ask the GG for new elections. She can refuse and allow for the other parties to take charge or -He waits for the No confidence vote, asks the GG for elections, she refuses and asks the Coalition to form govt.
-Harper can just wait for the vote, be defeated and allow the Coalition to take over and just wait for them to screw up which they will.
-Harper can wait for the vote, ask the GG for election and we have elections only 2 months after the last elections. He will likely easily win the election though now imo and could get a majority. or - The GG refuses elections and Harper then causes a greater crisis by saying the GG has no say. Why should an unelected person have such power and that The PM is the head of state. The PM is in charge and screw her I am in charge. Unlikely as that would be like Julius Caesar would do and would really send Canada back 200 years.
-The GG can refuse new elections and refuse a new Govt and force the 4 parties to work together. That is what I would pick....
-Harper stands down and says I am sorry and the coalition backs down and says "we did what we wanted"...
For political junkies like me, its amazing what is going on, but to Canadians its a disgrace and really we need some real statesman in that place.
I cannot believe the place that had great leader like MacDonald, King, Laurier, Pearson, Trudeau is in such a state.
I wonder what Trudeau would think about seeing his party in bed with the separatist. LOLOLOL@King being considered great. Even considering him good is slightly debatable. Sadly, he seems great in comparison to Dion 
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Mannyisthebest
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Yes about King, he use to get advice on being PM by talking to ghosts in his closet and would not allow Jews in Canada during WW2.
However MacDonald came to Parliament drunk one time and people say Pearson brought socialism to Canada and Trudeau and Mulroney really were bad bad fiscal managers.
The only one who undoubtedly our greatest Statesmen was Laurier, even though nothing much happened during his term apart from Reciprocity. However he is our longest continousily serving PM, won 4 majorities in a row, and is Canada's longest serving Politican ever and our first French PM and is how Prime Minister's should all be like.
Really Neostorm, I would take Chretien over this mess.
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Mannyisthebest wrote: Yes about King, he use to get advice on being PM by talking to ghosts in his closet and would not allow Jews in Canada during WW2.
However MacDonald came to Parliament drunk one time and people say Pearson brought socialism to Canada and Trudeau and Mulroney really were bad bad fiscal managers.
The only one who undoubtedly our greatest Statesmen was Laurier, even though nothing much happened during his term apart from Reciprocity. However he is our longest continousily serving PM, won 4 majorities in a row, and is Canada's longest serving Politican ever and our first French PM and is how Prime Minister's should all be like.
Really Neostorm, I would take Chretien over this mess. True. Although I really liked Chretien. At the very least he wasn't boring and appeared to be competent. The good thing about King is that I believe he was our most educated PM we've ever had. 
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Mannyisthebest
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really they showed on TV some images from the Chretien days and they seem so long ago and so strange. A lot of nostalgia came from the reporters and pundits on TV and from myself compared to this farce going on today.
I would really just want a majority govt back and have some sort of stability, some sort of bi-partisan ship and a clear message of the future.
Really In Canada, we need our own Obama quickly now!!!
There is a lack of a statesman in Ottawa. No widely respected, experienced leader in Ottawa among any party.
Harper as being PM for almost 3 years now and should be able to command such a role. However due to his partisan nature, he has not been able to gather the level of respect people like Chretien were able to get from the Canadian people.
If Harper was a "nicer" man and less bi-partisan I would bet he would be in a comfortable majority govt.
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The Liberals should really elect a new Leader sooner and no to Bob Rae. If they did this, Canadians will be more likely to accept this and the Conservatives would be less likely to fight and ask for an election because they would lose.
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Mannyisthebest wrote: Pearson brought socialism to Canada. What's wrong with that? King thought Hitler was a great man and refused to allow Jewish refugees into Canada. Fuck him.
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The Bloc has held the balance of power for much of the past 4 years. They tacitly supported the Conservative government during the first year of Harper's minority government and several subsequent motions of confidence. Again, why the sudden alarm? The Conservatives are quite good at manufacturing a false "crisis" for their own advantage, aren't they? Quote: PM expected to seek pause of Parliament or quick electionCHRIS WATTIE/REUTERS http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/547515OTTAWAâ€â€Prime Minister Stephen Harper is expected to visit Gov.-Gen. Michaelle Jean tomorrow morning to ask her to halt Parliament temporarily or allow a snap election to be held. A spokesperson for Harper suggested this afternoon that the prime minister would take action early tomorrow to break the current deadlock in the House of Commons. His most likely request is to ask Jean to suspend Parliament until January, at which time the Conservatives would bring down a budget containing an economic stimulus package. Harper, meantime, will deliver a televised address to the nation tonight. Officials have confirmed that the prime minister has asked the television networks to let him appear at 7 p.m. The coalition will ask for equal time in order for Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion to respond, a Liberal official said. .... The prime minister falsely claimed that Dion, NDP Leader Jack Layton and Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe, who signed an agreement on Monday in front of TV cameras, were too afraid to do so with the Canadian flag behind them "because a member of their coalition does not even believe in the country."
Pictures of the event clearly show two Canadian flags, as well as the flags of every province and territory.  That's honestly something I would expect from Sarah Palin or Karl Rove.
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Mannyisthebest
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Polls came out showing 40% support for the coalition and 35% supporting PM Harper.
The other 25% likely could care less.
Today the rhetoric included charges of treason and destroying the country.
However it appears Harper will be successful in suspending Parliament and imo its the best thing in this situation. We need to just chill out!
However Martha Hill Findly, brings out a great point. If Harper suspends Parliament even if he faces certain defeat, this will set a precedent, for future PM's. That Prime Ministers could suspend Parliament whenever they face a vote of no confidence and really stay in power.
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Cotton
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Mannyisthebest wrote: However Martha Hill Findly, brings out a great point. If Harper suspends Parliament even if he faces certain defeat, this will set a precedent, for future PM's. That Prime Ministers could suspend Parliament whenever they face a vote of no confidence and really stay in power. Yup. I wonder what the reaction would have been if Paul Martin had done that when he was defeated in 2005. But no, this is Stephen Harper, the rules need not apply. 
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What is it that some think Harper is going to do involving the Queen?
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