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Update: Liberals and NDP will form Govt with Separatist support. Harper's Conservatives can now suspend Parliament and democracy till next month or be defeated and take a case to the Supreme court and in that time, Canada will have a power struggle unlike anything in Canadian history.


The recent economic worries and other political games, have created a parliamentary crisis in Canada. It all started when the governing Conservative party was going stop any money the other political parties can get from the govt, thus eliminating small parties.

If the minority govt falls, we could see the first time in a very long time in Canada, a coalition of opposition parties taking over. This would put the Governor General in a strange situation that she could deny Stephen Harper another election as it has been only a month since the last one. If the opposition parties team up, they could form another government without any new elections taking place.

If this happens, it will be a political earthquake in Canada and a watershed moment as well. We could go from having a very stable government system to having a weak one as you see in Italy and Israel.


This would be like the Republicans teaming up rouge democrats impeaching the president and replacing him.

In Canada the PM can be switched around without elections.

Politics in Canada has just gotten more interesting then American politics for this brief moment up here. :funny: :funny:

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it really is some kind of lunacy up here. i heard about it on the news this morning. we've had 3 elections in 4 years, and now this.


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Canada in 4-5 years has gone from having one of the most stable political systems in the western world to one of the most unstable.

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What I'm a little confused about is that this will be a Liberal-NDP coalition, propped up by the BQ on the side; NOT a full scale Liberal-NDP-BQ coalition. Which means that the coalition gov in itself will still have fewer seats than the opposition Tories. :wacko:


In all seriousness, Harper deserves to be spanked for pulling a move like this in a budget bill. In the midst of an economic crisis, no less.


It was an assinine swipe that had no place in a fiscal package.


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Harper's a tool, but what are the Liberals thinking? Are they really that bitter from the election?

How long before the Liberals and NDP decide to stop splitting the vote on the left and combine to form one party, much like the Canadian Alliance and PC did back in the day?

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Harper's a tool, but what are the Liberals thinking? Are they really that bitter from the election?


I don't think this is a desirable situation for any of the parties, to be honest. A lot of the opposition parties stand to lose a good chunk of their funding because of this measure, and the Liberals in particular feel backed into a corner where they are faced with the untenable choice between losing funding and going bankrupt or fighting another election with a shit-load of dept and no leader. A coalition (at least temporarily) is probably their best bet right now.

And even if you're for scrapping the subsidies, Harper is a supreme ass-hole for bringing this matter up at this particular point in time, especially within the context of a budgetary vote. The savings of $30 million will not save a single job in Canada, or do anything for Canada fiscally speaking. This discussion belongs in a debate regarding electoral reform.

What we're seeing is the game of brinksmanship that Harper has been playing for the past two years finally bite him in the ass. He needs to understand that being in a minority requires you to work productively with at least one other party. Unfortunately for him, he is about to learn his lesson the hard way.


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Aren't the liberals replacing Dion soon?


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i'm sure they are but for the life of me, can't figure out who it will be.


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I think they'll find an interm to govern the coalition until the new leader is chosen in May.


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there is some real hardcore politics going on here.

even above anything down in America...

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WOW!!!


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The Governor General will be in uncharted territory with the coalition proposal.

No federal government has ever been ousted in favour of an opposition coalition.

Constitutional expert Ned Franks said Jean can wield the unspecified "reserve power of the Crown" in this situation.

Even if Harper asks for a new election, she can refuse and instead offer the government to another party.

"The Governor General, under the reserve power, is entitled to discover if some other person would enjoy the confidence of the House," he said.

That would be unprecedented in Ottawa, said David McGrane, a political scientist at the University of Saskatchewan.

"All of a sudden she comes into play here in a way that's quite remarkable, that we haven't seen for years."


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this will be the biggest political crisis since the Byng King crisis in the 1920's.

What happened was that Harper who has a minority govt was starting to enact measures and rule in such a way that even majority govts would find difficult.
In Canada in a minority, if any legislation dealing with money is defeated by the opposition, govt is dissolved. So Harper tried to force a bill cutting money to political parties (which would eliminate small parties and weaken all opposition parties), however the other political parties knew this was endgame.

They had to play their cards, or they were dead meat. They then scared the living daylights out of the Tories who have forced the no confidence vote another week. Another week for the crisis to build, or will this finally make Harper wake up and realize he has not become "Caesar" yet. :funny:

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I would have loved to have seen the look on his face when he first caught wind of the coalition movement. :lol:


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Well you can say we have a dysfunctional govt for sure now.

Harper will try everything to make himself "supreme ruler" while the opposition have found something that will bring Harper to his knees.

You know how this can be solved??

If Harper tried not to destroy his opposition in a minority situation and worked with them somewhat.

Flaherty, said the bill was non-negotiable. Looks like Flaherty forgets they have minority control!!


You know whats funny, the 2nd most powerful in Ottawa after Harper, is the Bloc Separatist leader Gilles Ducieppe. If he wants he can control what happens in Ottawa.

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quite scary when you consider that BLOC weilds that power.


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Fucking Bloc.

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Well at least there's little chance Stephen Dion will be leader of the country :poke: :fear:

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I doubt Dion would become Prime Minister. I'm betting their are a lot of senior Liberals who wouldn't let that happen.


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You know whats funny, the 2nd most powerful in Ottawa after Harper, is the Bloc Separatist leader Gilles Ducieppe. If he wants he can control what happens in Ottawa.


And suddenly aligning with the Bloc is an "un-holly alliance" to Conservatives. :roll:


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The Conservatives have been spewing lies that would make George Orwell spin in his grave.

So manipulative and deceitful they are, I thought the Liberals were bad.

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November 30, 2008 at 5:58 PM EST

OTTAWA — The NDP says it may pursue criminal charges after the Conservatives covertly listened in, taped and distributed audio of a closed-door NDP strategy session.

NDP Leader Jack Layton can be heard on the tapes boasting to his caucus that he had prepared scenarios to bring down the government with the help of the Bloc Quebecois before the Conservatives issued their recent economic statement.

The caucus talks took place Saturday and a recording of the meeting was delivered to the media on Sunday by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's staff.

In response, NDP MP Thomas Mulcair said the government is panicking and desperate to change the channel on its economic management and may have committed what could be an illegal act.

Mr. Mulcair said his party is looking into “the application of the Criminal Code,” in the taping.

As for the substance of the call, Mr. Mulcair said the talks with the Bloc were perfectly normal consultations between parties in a minority government. They began only after the government's economic update was delivered last Thursday, he said.

And Mr. Mulcair pointed as an example to consultations that took place between Mr. Layton, Mr. Harper and the Bloc's Gilles Duceppe in September 2004 when the Liberals were freshly installed as a minority government.

Mr. Harper, who was leader of the Opposition at that time, held lengthy discussions with Mr. Layton and Mr. Duceppe aimed at supplanting Paul Martin's Liberal government without an election in the fall of 2004.

Those talks did not invoke a coalition, but rather revolved around replacing the elected Liberal minority with a Conservative government led by Mr. Harper and supported by the New Democrats and Bloc on an issue-by-issue basis.

During Saturday's conference call, Mr. Layton also is heard saying it doesn't matter what the policy issues are, they just need to defeat the Harper minority. He says he hopes a lasting coalition can be built that will survive two or three years in government.

NDP spokesman Brad Lavigne said the Conservatives are merely trying to deflect attention from the government losing the confidence of the House of Commons.

A spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office said there was nothing unethical about covertly listening in to the private NDP deliberations, taping those discussions and releasing them to the media.

An unidentified Tory was “invited” to participate in the call, said PMO spokesman Dimitri Soudas.

“Maybe the invitation was meant for the Bloc, and they accidentally invited us. We were invited. When you get invited somewhere you have the opportunity to choose to participate or not participate.”

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A spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office said there was nothing unethical about covertly listening in to the private NDP deliberations, taping those discussions and releasing them to the media.

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It is pathetic and sad that this is what our government is currently preoccupied with. And the conservatives are the worst of them all.

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Looks like Dion could very well become PM after all. :wacko:

I was on the fence about the coalition a few days ago, but I'm beginning to lose faith very quickly. I actually think the Conservative plan to handle the economy is fairly solid and much more responsible than the spending spree the Liberals and the NDP are pushing for. Independent economists seem to agree, as well.

Also, this kind of "coalition government" seems inherently unstable on its own, we don't need a weakened leader like Dion guiding the ship. I sense a lot of infighting on the horizon.

It's unfortunate Harper is such a pathological asshole, otherwise we would not be in this mess. I hope the Conservatives push him out when/if they lose power.


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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081130/conservative_budget_081201/20081201?hub=TopStories

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In a historic political move, the leaders of the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc Quebecois signed a formal agreement Monday to topple the Tories and co-operate as a coalition government for at least 18 months.

"I'm pleased to announce we are ready to form a government," said Dion, adding that the new alliance will govern "effectively, prudently, promptly and competently address these critical economic times."

Dion said the coalition will include a pared-down cabinet with 24 ministers plus the prime minister. Six of those spots will go to the NDP.

The opposition plans to take down the government with a confidence vote next Monday.

Earlier on Monday, Dion announced that he would inform Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean that he had secured enough parliamentary support to form a new government. Under the constitution, the Governor General must approve the new government or call an election.

"Canadians elected 308 members of Parliament in October, not just Stephen Harper," said Dion, noting the new government would "promptly" implement an economic stimulus plan.

Dion was clear that he would step aside when the Liberals elect a new leader in Vancouver on May 2.

NDP Leader Jack Layton said the agreement represented "enormous optimism" and represents a new way of governing, where parties can put aside their differences for the greater good of Canadians.

"I think it's likely to produce very good government. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be here," he said.

Tories mull their options

The Conservatives, meanwhile, said they would consider "all options" to stop the new coalition from taking power, The Canadian Press reported.

One possible plan would be to prorogue until the Tories deliver their budget, which would shut down Parliament until January.

But that would only be delaying an inevitable defeat for Harper, according to Errol Mendes, a constitutional expert at the University of Ottawa.

Additionally, Harper could ask the Governor General to dissolve Parliament and call another election, but that is also unlikely, said Mendes.

"It would be insane to grant that dissolution, given that we just had an election eight weeks before," he told CTV Newsnet.

Meanwhile, Tory Environment Minister John Baird said that it was shocking to see the Liberal party "get in bed" with the NDP and the Bloc.

"Canadians are going to go ballistic when they see the photos of these three," he told Mike Duffy Live.

"These big spenders seem to be ready to go on an orgy of big spending on the tax payer's dime. It's taking out the credit card, giving it over to Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppes and saying 'here, go nuts.'"

Grits unite behind Dion

The announcement comes only hours after the three Liberal leadership contenders said they would support Dion as the leader of a new government coalition with the NDP and the Bloc Quebecois.

Speaking outside of the Liberal caucus meeting, Dominic LeBlanc, standing shoulder to shoulder with Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff, said they all back the deal forged with the NDP.

"The accord that was presented to us received unanimous support and the other issue which is very important is we decided the only person and the best person to lead and form a coalition government is the elected leader of our party, the leader of the opposition Stephane Dion," LeBlanc said.

Ignatieff echoed his words, saying the coalition deal is economically responsible, preserves Liberal ideals and upholds Dion as party leader until May.

"We are at one, the three of us, that the only person who can lead the party is the duly elected leader of the party Mr. Stephane Dion," Ignatieff said.

Earlier Monday the candidates met with Dion, who presented them with the draft agreement that has been negotiated with the New Democrats and the Bloc Quebecois, who would support the coalition from outside of government.

The current political storm erupted last week after Finance Minister Jim Flaherty unveiled his economic update -- a blueprint that contained no stimulus package, temporarily shut down public servants' ability to strike and outlined plans to slash public funding for political parties.

As a confidence motion the fiscal update must pass in the House of Commons or the government would fall.

Almost immediately after Flaherty's announcement, opposition parties began meeting to discuss forming a coalition.

Details have been in the finalization process over the weekend and on Monday as party members worked to hammer out an agreement to topple the Conservatives.

In Parliament Monday afternoon, Dion accused Harper of playing politics at a time when Canadians are worried about their jobs.

"Does the prime minister still believe he enjoys the confidence of this House?" asked Dion.

Harper responded that his government has already taken action for the economy, including helping seniors and doubling infrastructure spending.

Harper added that Dion is "about to play the biggest political game in history" by toppling the Conservative government.

But Liberal Sen. David Smith said the opposition parties were galvanized by Harper's increasingly "aggressive" tone since the last election.

While countries like the U.S. have been breaking down partisan barriers to battle economic problems, Harper has been attacking his rivals, Smith told CTV Newsnet.

"(It) just made everybody made and did nothing to stimulate the economy."

Economic guidance

CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife reported earlier Monday that a high-profile, four-person economic panel would guide a Liberal-NDP coalition government on finance matters.

The group would comprise Frank McKenna, Paul Martin, John Manley and Roy Romanow.

McKenna is a former Liberal premier of New Brunswick and ambassador to the U.S., Martin is a former Liberal finance minister and prime minister, Manley is a former Liberal finance minister and foreign affairs minister, and Romanow is a former New Democrat premier of Saskatchewan.

The panel of "wise men" would help the new government navigate the current global economic turbulence, said Fife.

What a dark day in Canadian politics. I'm no fan of the Conservatives... but this is essentially a coup d’état.

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