While I'm not well versed in what happened here to spark all this, I could not agree with you more, Eagle... KJ is what you make it.

I distinctly remember my early days of BOM a small element was saying how it wasn't like it was in the "glory days" and how it was going downhill. Then coming here and a small element was saying it would never last and that people were only here to talk in the water cooler, which would "never" work (KJ was DOOOMED!!!). 4 years later and apparently it's still DOOOMED!!!!!

Point is I quickly learned these things a long time ago:
- It's never currently the glory days... those were always 2-3 years ago.
- There is always a small element of disgruntled lurkers or hanger-ons that are preaching failure because they (and others) left. There was that same element at BOM in 2003. My guess is they are a little upset the place did not implode when they left, and most people have moved on.
- KJ will not implode if you leave (unless your name is Eagle).

My enjoyment level has never changed, ever. (Except for when I was a mod at BOM... it did become a job and forced me into 'un-fun' issues I would have never took up before.). If you're just here bitching that things aren't fun and this place sucks, then you probably shouldn't be here... unless that's fun for you, but that destroys your whole initial argument.

If you stay to keep complaining how un-fun this place is, then at some point you may have to realize that you're still here, and therefore the place has some alure to you. You wouldn't keep voluntarily hanging around the dentist office complaining how terrible it is, would you?

Bottom line is that you can always create your own fun in whatever interests you, if nobody is doing it for you.

And yet oor still exists!!!~~~

We just can't figure out who you are!

I have no idea who oor is!

Oh god this feels so good.

You're welcome, for now.

Thank you!

Ugh.

It was so quiet this week.

I KNOW!

But I'm back now! YAY!

I would really like to know what the moderators do for a living. It just goes without saying to say that moderating in 2008 has been...shit and that each and every one of them has had a hand in the shittiness.

I even love the reason for my banning. A link to a page in a thread where i didn't even post in. i felt so special. I mean i posted barely 4 times in that thread and I'm subjected to a banning, and somehow to look I was somehow partly responsible for all the shit that went on a week. I mean it's not everyday u don't see something so ridiculous. Maybe, i should open double accounts everyday. I like the idea of getluv 2.0 for wednesday, and i dunno, maybe i can be luv 365 on fridays.

oh and i always found it interesting why the thread was left open for so long. but let Captain Royd come 36 hours late and yay, the problem has stopped and a bunch of people feel bad for what they've just done. Oh and let's subject punishment to those who found the whole situation a joke.

so apparently i was harsh to Joe. yeah. i mean, a 23 year old who watched Beverly Hills Chihuahua and berates people on how suicidal he is, soserious.

yeah, i even love the consistency and how certain members who did make matters worse last week, weren't touched and Korrgan was sent packing for a fortnight. I mean i did say to Korrgan at one point (cuz the thread was still open) to stop and told everyone to check into Promises. of course this isn't a laughing matter, it's pretty pathetic actually.

I don't like to try to find blame; I think it's better to look at the entire situation everywhere and do what's needed to make it work better.



Let's hope it's someone's own mirror that reflects the best of what they hope for. I mean, the world is too intricate to expect it will work out if you tell everyone to mind their own business.

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if the onion names Hillary president soon or something like that. But CR? I thought it was a really well made spy movie. That shower scene was memorable...

But every movie this year seems to have an overload of elaborate plotting. Which is something I always wanted, but now that Hollywood decided to give it to me, I'm thinking 'too much'. The world needs a new start.

Yeah, but at least when people are talking about ideas that matter to them they will take it seriously, and then that can easily follow to it's ultimate conclusion. I can't say if that's what happened in this case though.

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Not doomed, just not as nice.



I don't think that's true. Whenever the 'glory days' are around people often take the attitude that it's normal and the way things always will be (unless they get better). I think that's fair, and why shouldn't they be right? You only say that things are not like they used to be when you notice that it's gotten less enjoyable, and that is at a time like now.

I think though that you're saying there is one pattern here, which makes common sense, but these things are usually more complicated. There are different people and different reasons why people might be happy or unhappy. I don't see why someone would be unhappy for no reason. But there is a convergence of factors as there will always be among many people and thousands of posts. That someone or another is often unhappy doesn't invalidate it; it might be an inconvenience...



But Wall Street and a large part of the world economy has already imploded, there are wars all over, Obama has been elected president, I'm pretty sure Skynet has become self-aware and... wait, that's the real world. Sorry, sometimes it's so confusing.

Seriously, I think that's an unfair guess. I think it's especially unfair to assume they are motivated mainly for selfish reasons if they are directly suggesting new ideas. I also don't see how it matters how small the element is if what they say has validity, there are chasms that have gone unnoticed, and the goal is the bring attention to it. The ultimate relationship between reality and the truth is more important than what currently might be popular.

But truly, the forums used to have a nice atmosphere, and you could post expecting a back and forth discussion that wasn't thought of as war. It was calm, funny, and peaceful. Now it sometimes seems like a Uwe Boll Tropic Thunder parody, in which he sends himself into the jungle and gets attacked by werewolves. Poor guy.



Now that sounds like fun! If only you suggested that before I might have been enjoying myself the past few days!

But seriously, the allure could be potential. The sheer potential of the wide open sky on a beautiful day.

Hey, wait, I don't think I'm joking.



I like nobody, he's cool.

So, I think we agree?

I don't think their primary point is to make people feel bad.

Have you guys attempted to screw in a light bulb together, too? Seriously, guys, I don't envy your position at all. You basically have to learn how to loosen up and don't promote sensitivity so much or deal with tension all the time.

You also need to realize that there is a definite reason for the lack of unity and fun here, and that thread wasn't the source of that. Figure that problem out. It's not hard to see. Fix that and you'll get the community unity you seem to want. Keep denying the problem and it'll never go away.

Christian should have been #1 to receive a ban. Great a guy as Christian is, a bad judgement call was made by team KJ in not banning him, too. You have to be fair and consistant, or nobody will take the rules seriously. Just sayin'.

Anyway, do what you want, I'm not here enough for it to affect me, but organizing "us vrs them" cliques wouldn't be the direction I would go.

Secretary of State, w00t!



Nothing about that flick was memorable. Not even that scene. I don't even remember it and I saw CR big-screen opening weekend.

To be fair, this is always about balance, and not many mods in the past have known what to do with it. If there was a precedence (sp?) then it wouldn't be a problem to cite it. I think they were trying to figure things out. I err away from bannings towards pm discussions, but I do not think it was wrong to respond to the thread.



The problem is that new movies blow. There is little to motivate and little to disscuss.



They are consistent. Christian made a one-time error based on emotional stress. That is different than perpetual behavior. Now, I may disagree on who was being out-of-line in that thread (I disagree in most of it, including getluv and Chippy), but I do not think someone who has done nothing in over four years should get the boot for one lapsed judgement. From what I can tell about the mods/admin, they have been dealing for a long time with on-going problems, and those are the ones that must be addressed. Everyone collapses once or twice. Its when you hit time ten or fifteen that action is required.



I guess I would agree with this if I understood the scenario. But who is the us vs. them? It seems like a fairly wide range of personalities that were banned this time. I don't mean to fight it out like this, but the five people who were banned don't even talk to eachother that much. It jus seems, to me, like a situation that went over-the-top, and probably no-one knew what to do with it. Libs didn't deserve it, at all, but everyone else juist kind of got sucked in too. Including people who had to make forum decisions. I probably would have done something weird like randomly edit posts had I been in that situation. It was random and there's really no right or wrong way to respond to it except for with 20/20 hindsight.

The bannings didn't really bother me, but I do think that no such action would have been taken if it wasn't Libs who was attacked, but somebody like Joe, for instance.

There are just too many unfriendly people here for any system of discipline to matter. Of course, it's okay to be a troublemaker if you're on the inside, and you'll never get a ban. Might even one day become a mod! (nothing but love for you, Snruby! )




If only that were so. There was a boat load a great movies out this summer, but was this place any different than it's been for 4 years? Double standards will always get chaos in response. Was this Chip's first banning? After 4 years of going around making shitty uncalled for comments to people with no action taken, it shows me and everybody else that wants to be a bastard for an hour that it's ok to do that for 4 solid years, too.

Eagle told me that favoritism is supported here, right or wrong, and it's true, and the reality is, if anybody doesn't like it, nobody's holding a gun to their head to stay.



If that's the case, then Korrgan should not have received a ban, either, as that's baiting. If he wouldn't have stirred her up with that, she never would have started that thread, and probably would have posted a few harmless times somewhere. That's like a mod playing a practical joke on somebody and then banning the person because it all blew up like he knew it would.



The "us vs them" was a reference to a thread I remembered seeing in the Water Cooler. Creating cliques of haves and have nots is what turned this place into a place that only Tony and Eagle can enjoy 100% of the time. It's probably easier to enjoy it here if you know you can be an ass to people and never worry about any consequences. Joe doesn't have that luxury. Grill isn't even allowed to make polls.

As far as Libs deserving it goes, probably not, but she's not innocent in the way she treats people, especially if they are being piled on, and shes mad at them or wants to stir shit for whatever reason like she did with me. She even named these people "the fry team" in her Libisms thread, and she and everybody had a big old laugh about it all. Everybody's gotta admire the irony of that, no matter if you like Libs or not!

Just to clarify my old inane slang, that's really not what a "fry team" is. I'm pretty sure I mistakenly had the "wrong" definition of it (as much as a definition of something that dumb could be right or wrong) when I first posted it.

"Fry team" is just another way of saying "owned" or something like that. It's not naming a group of people to some weird "team" that goes around being mean to people.

Pffft, don't make fun of nothing; nothing is a beautiful thing.

But I thought it was great. But not even? So you know there is a variance in the substance of nothing, which means you really can see that there is better sort of nothing... You can't go back now, I have you quoted!

This is all based though on the idea that there should be an action and a response or consequence to fix it. I don't believe that's ever the best way, or if it is done, I believe it's lacking or crude. It assumes the person making the decisions can completely be fair in being able to consider every motive, remedy and reason, which is almost certainly not going to be completely the case. The think then that the better way is to be able to influence the atmosphere as well as possible. I think that there is a way to make it equitable and to make it allow things to form or flow as they should. There is a way that things could or should be or areas that different things belong in.

Basically, guidelines? Rules? I think that whatever they are, the one thing that matters is the ability to visualize the parameters. If someone, anyone, can do that, can make a complete and full argument, then they can contribute to evolving that set of rules towards a deeper truth.

I mean it's like people always being criticized for wanting power, or groups for using resources, or people being greedy in wanting wealth. Well, of course that's what people do. If someone has a tendency to want money/power etc., the ability or whatever there will be a pattern that will develop that will cause them to get it and use it. It's always been that way throughout history, and there's nothing wrong alone with wanting power or money. What's a problem, can be the way it's used. The basis then, without word games, is the deepest possible accurate conception for what's good for the world.

I mean talking about unity, the first question I ask is: why? I don't believe in it just for its own sake. But then there is the idea that there is the potential to recognize some greater truth; even if in the form of BO grosses.

That's a start.