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Mr. Reynolds
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 Re: Electoral college watch
McCain has momentum in some of the battleground states right now.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:21 am |
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Groucho
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 Re: Electoral college watch
BK wrote: No. Why are they going back to McCain? It should be Obama all the way now. Technically Obama doesn't really need Arizona but does Missouri want to go wrong? The polls have a margin of error of a few points either way, so a poll on one day may show a result of Obama 52 McCain 48 and another one the next day has Obama 49 and McCain 51 and they're really the same thing. This is not an exact science...
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:15 am |
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Floydboy
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Groucho wrote: BK wrote: No. Why are they going back to McCain? It should be Obama all the way now. Technically Obama doesn't really need Arizona but does Missouri want to go wrong? The polls have a margin of error of a few points either way, so a poll on one day may show a result of Obama 52 McCain 48 and another one the next day has Obama 49 and McCain 51 and they're really the same thing. This is not an exact science... We have to remember that the algorithm averages three days' worth of polls using only the nonpartisan pollsters. The most recent poll is always used, and if any other polls were taken within a week of it, they are all averaged together. So in these polls, like with any other statistical analysis, there exists the possibilities of outliers that may skew the data one direction or the other. However, over time, they should balance out. Any state on the map that is considered "barely" is subject to change.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:47 am |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
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Floydboy wrote: 10/28 TOWARD MCCAINMO: Barely Dem to Exactly Tied AZ: Barely GOP to Weak GOP  If Sarah could respond to this update.... 
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:46 pm |
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Chippy
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:20 pm |
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Floydboy
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 Re: Electoral college watch
10/29 TOWARDS OBAMANH: Weak Dem to Strong Dem NV: Barely Dem to Weak Dem MS: Strong GOP to Weak GOP  Colorado looks like a done deal for Obama, as two polls have him ahead by 8 points and 11 points, respectively. Nevada is looking more and more like an Obama win as one poll today has him 4 points ahead and another has him 10 points ahead. Likewise, Obama's lead in Ohio looks serious, with four polls today putting him ahead, by margins of 4, 7, 9, and 11 points, respectively. As is well known, no Republican in history has ever won the presidency without Ohio. Finally, despite McCain's last-minute attempt to win Pennsylvania, six new polls there show Obama with an insurmountable lead there, with leads of 7, 9, 12, 12, 12, and 13 points, respectively.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:48 am |
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resident
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 Re: Electoral college watch
I'm glad to read that. I just saw Rasmussen's daily poll for Wednesday has Obama dropping to a 4 point lead after being five to 8 points ahead for the last month. What are they trying to pull?
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:08 am |
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Floydboy
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Well, in terms of national polls even a 4-pt lead is pretty significant. I think at this point Bush II had a 2 pt lead on Kerry and ending up trouncing him. In '92 Clinton had a decisive victory over Bush I and won by 5.7%. The average of the major national polls is at 6 or 7 right now.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:17 am |
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Groucho
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It's going to be closer than many people think. As election day arrives, there are many Republicans who will finally decide to hold their noses and vote for McCain even though they don't like him. It won't be enough for him to win, though.
Still, remember the following caveats:
1. Many people have already voted.
2. The polls do not represent the enthusiasm gap; Obama's people are more likely to vote.
3. The polls do not take into account cell phone users, which are most likely younger and more likely to vote Obama.
So, on one hand, if it follows the standard trend of elections, McCain will close the gap in the final few days but not win. On the other hand, Obama may have a blow out based on the three things listed above.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:31 am |
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Beeblebrox
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 Here's Bill O'Reilly's "fair and balanced" electoral map. Read 'em and weep, suckas!
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:49 pm |
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Raffiki
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:10 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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Obama could potentially, and is probably the slight favorite, to win every single swing state he listed. 10/14 are basically locked to vote DEM I think.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:13 pm |
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Christian
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LOL!
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:13 pm |
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Raffiki
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 Re: Electoral college watch
Indiana, NC, and ND as GOP locks.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:17 pm |
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makeshift
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I think my favorite thing about that is Oregon being listed as a swing state. 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:59 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Raffiki wrote: Indiana, NC, and ND as GOP locks.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight He has PA and MI as toss-ups! 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:59 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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O' Reilly is an idiot.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:06 pm |
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dolcevita
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makeshift wrote: I think my favorite thing about that is Oregon being listed as a swing state.  Yeah, that's the first thing I noticed, too. Then I looked up and realized with 7+ it would put Obama at 190 to Mccain's 189. Ouch!
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:20 pm |
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Chippy
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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The first thing I noticed was the pictures. McCain, looking straight at you, like a friend. Obama? Chin up at you, not looking, very smug.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:24 pm |
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i.hope
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It'd be great if someone can give their insight into the methodology used by different pollsters (Rasmussen, Zogby, Survey USA, Mason Dixon, etc.).
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:43 pm |
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Floydboy
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Joined: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:05 pm Posts: 2210
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10/30 TOWARD OBAMAMO: Exactly Tied to Barely Dem TOWARD MCCAINWI: Strong Dem to Weak Dem 
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Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:21 am |
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resident
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I messed up with a typo. Yesterday Rasmussen had Obama drop to a 3 point lead, not 4. That's why I asked what is Rasmussen pulling. Today Rasmussen has Obama up by 5 again. 
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Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:13 am |
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BK
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Wisconsin? What?
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Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:36 am |
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Jedi Master Carr
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I think Wisconsin is still pretty safe. I don't see Obama losing any of Kerry's states. I think McCain is living in lala land if he thinks he can pull Pennsylvania out.
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Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:06 pm |
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Floydboy
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I just talked to a friend that was born and raised in Alabama. He's African-American and his parents grew up in the segregation era of the U.S. They had to ride in the back of the bus, use different water fountains, get food from windows in restaurants, etc. Even though things have improved substantially (especially among the younger generation) in terms of racism, he is still very reluctant to believe any polls. I think that he's a little too much on the side that thinks that most of America is still hypocritical, but I understand his point. I guess if you're under 35 that segregation seems so long ago...
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