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10/10

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MI: Weak Dem to Strong Dem
WV: Weak GOP to Weak Dem

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MO: Barely Dem to Exactly Tied
NC: Exactly Tied to Barely GOP
TX: Weak GOP to Strong GOP

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Obama 343 McCain 184 Ties 11


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I knew Michigan was going back to dark blue. I think MN and WI will follow soon enough. One poll in WI had him up by 10 points the other day. McCain is going to have trouble taking any of Kerry's states and he is certain to lose at least one of Bush's in Iowa. New mexico, VA and WV don't look good for him either.


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Hillary was in the Capital today to endorse/campaign for Anne Barth (former aid to Sen Byrd), who hopefully defeats Shelly Moore Capito (ugh), the only REP representing WV in congress. And over 80% of Clinton supporters are now backing Obama in WV, compared to roughly 50% a few months back.

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As for right now, subject to change, I see it as Obama 291, McCain 247. Obama gets all the strong and weak Dem states in the latest figure above as well as Colorado and either NV/WV. McCain gets some bounce back up until the election and ends up taking OH, FL, MO and either NV/WV. What's important about that is Obama does take VA from the GOP. The way I see the election unfolding is somewhat conservative, but I still think McCain is going to get some kind of push in the last weeks before election day.

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WV is a blue state, the Repubs just did a great job of scaring enough people with the Dems want to take away your guns in 2000-2004. It is not nearly as racist as people portray it. Remember it was created by breaking away from Virginia during the Civil War, because its citizens didn't want slavery and wanted to remain in the Union. Obama has a baseline of 40-42% that suge over 50% with the economy tanking and McCain not offering any real change.

Obama can win NC, I think. I was driving through in late July and saw numerous Obama bumber stickers on my trip and not one McCain sticker. Part of my drive was through Raleigh-Durham which is more Dem leaning, but even in the more Republican areas, I did not see any McCain excitement. I think picking Palin helped shore up McCain's base for the first part of Sept., but it has faded since the initial announcement.

I am still worried how accurate the polls are. However, it seems like Obama is just solidly winning the debates and picking up another 1-2% after people absorb the substance of the debates.

I believe, Obama has a much better ground game than either Kerry or Gore had just in my observances in NC and VA. Here in VA his team has canvassed my surrrounding area as much at this point as the Kerry campaign did up until election day. People I know that were very lukewarm or downright hostile to Obama over the Summer are coming around (unfortunately, not all).

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As for right now, subject to change, I see it as Obama 291, McCain 247. Obama gets all the strong and weak Dem states in the latest figure above as well as Colorado and either NV/WV. McCain gets some bounce back up until the election and ends up taking OH, FL, MO and either NV/WV. What's important about that is Obama does take VA from the GOP. The way I see the election unfolding is somewhat conservative, but I still think McCain is going to get some kind of push in the last weeks before election day.


About that, I'm wondering now what Obama has up his sleeve for the last week before elections. He has purchased 30 minutes of network airtime for 8pm on Oct 29th on CBS and NBC, and is negotiating to get that time on ABC and Fox as well. Could be a really smart move. It promotes his theme of unity, that he is not focusing just on battleground states but addressing the whole nation.

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He has purchased 30 minutes of network airtime for 8pm on Oct 29th on CBS and NBC, and is negotiating to get that time on ABC and Fox as well. Could be a really smart move.


I'm uncomfortable with it. It's a little thick on the infomercial propaganda side of things.


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He has purchased 30 minutes of network airtime for 8pm on Oct 29th on CBS and NBC, and is negotiating to get that time on ABC and Fox as well. Could be a really smart move.


I'm uncomfortable with it. It's a little thick on the infomercial propaganda side of things.


I remember when Ross Perot did that in 1992. Of course for him it was so a lot of people could get to know him and his stances. Nonetheless, I remember thinking that it was almost too much self-advertisement. I hope Obama is able to use his 30 minutes wisely, but I'm not sure if it's the best move. It may help him and may lead to swings in his favor towards election day, or it may not...

And as much as people comment that everyone's made up their mind, from my small world of acquantainces at work there were a number of people commenting the other day that they were still trying to figure out who to vote for. There were some women between 35-45 still interested in the debates and what the candidates are saying that hadn't decided on their vote.

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Yeah, I agree. 30 minutes is total overkill.

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He'd better do more than just talk for 30 minutes. He needs to run a documentary style show, knocking McCain and pushing himself.

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MikeQ. wrote:
He has purchased 30 minutes of network airtime for 8pm on Oct 29th on CBS and NBC, and is negotiating to get that time on ABC and Fox as well. Could be a really smart move.


I'm uncomfortable with it. It's a little thick on the infomercial propaganda side of things.

Yeah it smells like a mistake to me.


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Floydboy wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
MikeQ. wrote:
He has purchased 30 minutes of network airtime for 8pm on Oct 29th on CBS and NBC, and is negotiating to get that time on ABC and Fox as well. Could be a really smart move.


I'm uncomfortable with it. It's a little thick on the infomercial propaganda side of things.


I remember when Ross Perot did that in 1992. Of course for him it was so a lot of people could get to know him and his stances. Nonetheless, I remember thinking that it was almost too much self-advertisement.


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Ross Perot's return to the 1992 Presidential campaign has been greeted with overwhelming hostility by American voters, leaving the contest fundamentally unchanged, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll. Gov. Bill Clinton holds a persistent lead over President Bush as the campaign enters its final month.

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While Mr. Perot has yet to begin his advertising campaign, only 7 percent of the registered voters said they planned to vote for him, about the same as John Anderson's support in October 1980 and well below George Wallace's in October 1968. Seventy-two percent said he should not have rejoined the campaign, which he bolted in July. Grim Findings for Bush

The new survey, based on telephone interviews with 1,252 adults, also has grim findings for the Bush campaign, which has high hopes that Mr. Perot can splinter the anti-Bush vote and help shake up the race. Even in a three-way contest, Mr. Clinton retains a lead, with 46 percent of the probable electorate, to 38 percent for Mr. Bush and 7 percent for Mr. Perot.


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Clinton-43.0%
Bush-37.7%
Perot-18.9%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... tion,_1992

The infomercials helped Perot as he almost tripled his polling numbers in less than one month...

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Somehow the percents from the NYTimes article only add up to 91%. Was the other percentile people who were undecided? It's interesting because the final election results mirrored closely the NYTimes article for Bush and Clinton, but Perot picked up the rest of the % that hadn't voted for either three. I guess I remember after 1992 how surprised I was by the number of people that did end up voting for Perot.

For Obama, it could be a very positive influence or a negative one. I'm just wondering if he really needs to do it. Of course, the US has hardly any respect left for Bush and maybe Obama can rally the country again. I'm still very mixed by his decision.

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CLEVELAND, Ohio (CNN) — In what may be another signal that the troubled economy is forcing John McCain’s campaign to play electoral map defense, Sarah Palin has scheduled a bus tour for Sunday through West Virginia, a state that’s been leaning red throughout this presidential race.

Palin had already scheduled a bus tour of Pennsylvania on Saturday, but she will now repeat that act on Sunday by making various unannounced stops throughout West Virginia, culminating in a campaign event in southeast Ohio. It’s a swing geographically reminiscent of Hillary Clinton’s effort during the Democratic primary to court white working class voters in Appalachia. Clinton won the West Virginia primary over Barack Obama by a whopping 67-26 margin.

Surveys of West Virginia voters this year have consistently favored McCain, but state polls have closed in recent weeks as the global financial crisis has dominated the headlines. A CNN/Time poll conducted in late September showed McCain with a slight 50-46 lead over Obama, and an ARG poll released this week suggested Obama had rocketed to an eight-point over his Republican rival.

Last week, Palin made a pair of last-minute campaign stops in Omaha, Nebraska and Greenville, North Carolina – two regions that until recently were considered safe for McCain.

Palin on Friday seemed to acknowledge that time is running out for her campaign to shift the momentum of the race.

“Things are getting kind of, not tense, but things are getting — as things come down to the wire obviously, things are getting more important in terms of message, and in terms of opportunity we have to lay out the contrast between the two tickets,” she told donors in Cincinnati.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -virginia/

I think one, just one visit by Obama would lock WV up for him.

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The McCain camp must have some troubling internal polling from WV as well, otherwise they wouldn't be sending Palin there.


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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/palin-schedules-bus-tour-of-west-virginia/

I think one, just one visit by Obama would lock WV up for him.


The video of the fucking nutters at that rally ought to be interesting. I'm wondering when someone is going to bring an actual noose and pitchfork to one of these things.


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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/palin-schedules-bus-tour-of-west-virginia/

I think one, just one visit by Obama would lock WV up for him.


The video of the fucking nutters at that rally ought to be interesting. I'm wondering when someone is going to bring an actual noose and pitchfork to one of these things.


I'm waiting for the klan to show up in full garb.

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luckily that is McCain's biggest demographic, and that isn't enough to win an election.


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No changes in the Presidential Map today. There was a new poll in GA that only had McCain leading by 6%, which I find incredible. I know GA is going to McCain, but I thought it would have a much larger % by this time of the election.

What is interesting is the senate races. Right now the Dems lead 59-41, which would leave them short 1 seat in order to stop any GOP filibusters. The other possible 3 senate seats that are the closest are in GA, KY and MS with GA being the closest of the three.

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New polls out of Georgia show McCain's lead shrinking fast. He was at 12 points a couple of weeks ago but now his lead is down to 3 points! Can Obama take Geogia?


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At this rate, I can definitely see Obama taking it.

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And the reason WV voted for Bush in 2000 was because the REPS played very dirty politics here, and the DEMS didnt nothing about it. People received letters in the mail going into detail about how electing Gore would cause them to lose their guns. No lie, the teachers in my middle school and my dad received them. Then in 2004, the same thing happened, except the letters went into detail about Kerry taking away peoples bibles................ And it didn't help Kerry was way out of touch.


A few friends of mine that live near WV (in VA, but on the border) told me today that they saw an add for Obama that said that he won't take away their guns! It showed a guy in a field with a big rifle. The guy said that McCain is out of touch. Very interesting add!

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No changes again in the electoral-vote map for either the presidential election or the senate race.

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10/13

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Woah - Didn't see that one coming!

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i read somewhere that Obama has a 9 point lead in FL.

and GA is tied.


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