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Should a "Harvey Milk Day" be passed into public schools in CA?
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AB 2567 has passed the California Assembly and the Senate and is awaiting Governor Schwarzenegger' s signature or veto. This bil l will set aside May 22Nd as a special day to celebrate the life of homosexual politician Harvey Milk in the public schools. Harvey Milk will be honored in the same manner as our Founding Fathers and Martin Luther King, although the only thing he is actually known for is being proud be be a homosexual! If you haven't heard about this bill it is because the liberal media is downplaying this bill so that it will pass.

Legislature Passes Bill for 'Gay Day' Celebrations in California Public Schools
By Peter J. Smith
August 8, 2008, SACRAMENTO (LifeSiteNews. com) - California public schools soon will be planning 'gay day' celebrations every May 22 unless Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoes the legislation. Thursday the California Assembly approved AB 2567, which designates May 22 as 'Harvey Milk Day.' The 43 to 26 vote occurred on party lines with Democrats for, Republicans against. Earlier this week, AB 2567 passed the California State Senate on another party line vote 22-13 - Democrats for, Republicans against. The bill will require all public schools to 'conduct suitable commemorative exercises' in commemoration of the anti-religious, homosexualist agenda of the late San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk. According to a Senate analysis of the bill, 'This bill requires the Governor to proclaim May 22 as Harvey Milk Dayï¿∏The designation of a day of significance triggers statutory encouragement for public schools to observe and conduct commemorative exercises suitable to the day.' 'This bad bill will teach impressionable schoolchildren the anti-religious, homosexual-bisexual -transsexual agenda of Harvey Milk,' warned Randy Thomasson, President of Campaign for Children and Families.

'If signed into law, AB 2567 will mean an official day commemorating homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality in California government schoolsï¿∏This will harm children as young as children as young as kindergarten. ' 'The Democrats are so cocky, they have no qualms about pushing sexual indoctrination upon children in an election year.
For the love of God, parents and their children, we implore Governor Schwarzenegger to veto AB 2567' Thomasson said.



What do you guys think of this? Was he really that popular to be honored like Martin Luther King Jr??


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I'd say no. He really wasn't that huge of a figure to deserve that kind of recognition.


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'If signed into law, AB 2567 will mean an official day commemorating homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality in California government schools. This will harm children as young as kindergarten. ' 'The Democrats are so cocky, they have no qualms about pushing sexual indoctrination upon children in an election year."


I think that this kind of ignorance, dishonesty, and bigotry (from people who profess a love of God, ironically) are the reasons why honoring Harvey Milk's contribution to gay rights is important.

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What do you guys think of this? Was he really that popular to be honored like Martin Luther King Jr??


First, this is not a national holiday. It's a state issue. And Milk was an important politician in California. He was the first openly gay politician elected to public office. And he was assassinated for his views by a right-wing nutjob.

It's also worth noting, since you bring it up, that Republicans ALSO fought and continue to fight honoring MLK. Just ask John McCain. Is it surprising AT ALL that they'd fight honoring a gay politician?


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He really wasn't that huge of a figure to deserve that kind of recognition.


In California, he is. In fact, there's a movie coming out about him this year.


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'If signed into law, AB 2567 will mean an official day commemorating homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality in California government schools. This will harm children as young as kindergarten. ' 'The Democrats are so cocky, they have no qualms about pushing sexual indoctrination upon children in an election year."


I think that this kind of ignorance, dishonesty, and bigotry (from people who profess a love of God, ironically) are the reasons why honoring Harvey Milk's contribution to gay rights is important.

Just to clarify, I was sent this on Facebook. I was just curious on what most liberals thought about it. I do think it's a bit awkward to have a politician who did a lot for sexual orientation commemorated in schools lower than high school.


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It's not a holiday. You don't get the day off of school or work. It's a recognition day, for someone who deserves recognition.

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No, I don't agree with a "Harvey Milk Day" because it celebrates a specific cause and not the common goal of Liberty for all. By comparison, Martin Luther King Day celebrates his birthday and the cause of equality for Black People, but more than that, the cause of Equality and Civil Rights champions the cause of Equality for All People. Though you can argue that Harvey Milk is in the same category, the fact of sexual preferences is not common to all.

I would strongly support a "Day of Dissent" as a State Holiday in commemoration of Harvey Milk, Bill Farr, Ramon Navarro, and any historic resident of California by name who suffered injustice and inequality at the hands of State, Local Government, or civil persecution, and it should be a day off from school thereby identifying the Right to Disagree and defend Liberty, Justice and Privacy, and I would demand that the history of their stories be taught in school as a function of the holiday.

The argument that "I am Different" and "I Disagree" should be upheld in our education as the Right to be an Individual for All People and to think for yourself in the name of Reason.

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http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/govern ... lk_day.htm :

Contrary to the impression given in the message above, AB 2567 would not create an official holiday comparable to Martin Luther King Day or Presidents Day. Rather, to quote the bill's first paragraph, it would designate May 22 as having "special significance in public schools and educational institutions and would encourage those entities to conduct suitable commemorative exercises on that date." (See excerpt below for more details.)

Note, too, that the new law would encourage public schools to recognize Harvey Milk Day, not require it.

Excerpt from AB 2567:

37222. (a) The following days in each year are designated and set apart as days having special significance:
(1) The second Wednesday in May as the Day of the Teacher.
(2) April 21 of each year as John Muir Day.
(3) April 6 of each year as California Poppy Day.
(4) May 22 of each year as Harvey Milk Day.


So you guys are against California Poppy Day? What's the matter with you people? Don't you love poppies?

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And John Muir day? You hate the environment, don't you? Admit it! And those damned teachers -- who wants to acknowledge their contribution to society?

Oh, I see -- you're only against this day because it acknowledges the gay rights movement. Ah, now at least we see. :huh:

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Its a state bill so sure. If it was a national bill....probably would vote no because the guy wasn't really that important on a national stage compared to someone like MLK.


Yeah, but as seen above, a day of recognition is not that big of a deal. It's not a holiday. It's like "Boy Scout day" or "Catapillar Awareness Day" or (as seen above) "California Poppy Day". This bill in no way places Milk on the same level as MLK or Lincoln or Washington or any national holiday guy. It places him on the same level as John Muir.

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Reading the bill, it sounds good to me. I was wording it meant that it would give people a day off.


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Reading the bill, it sounds good to me. I was wording it meant that it would give people a day off.


That's what the people who are against this bill want you to think, as seen by the original post. Their propaganda is that it gives a recognition just like MLK, gives a holiday, and requires schools to teach their kids about gay sex. None of that is true. All you have to do is read the bill to tell that.

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Yeah the bill really doesn't do anything bad. It is ok to honor him on that level.


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I don't get why things like this even get discussed so much for.

I'd be okay with it, I mean, uhh why not? But most of these recognition day things are pretty pointless, and I think the time spent on getting a bill passed (or blocked) like this could be spent more efficiently.

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I'd be okay with it, I mean, uhh why not? But most of these recognition day things are pretty pointless, and I think the time spent on getting a bill passed (or blocked) like this could be spent more efficiently.

Agreed, there are much more important issues obviously like our economy.


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And he was assassinated for his views by a right-wing nutjob.

I don't dispute "nutjob," but I haven't viewed evidence that he was "right-wing." If he was right-wing, could you point me to a source?


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He really wasn't that huge of a figure to deserve that kind of recognition.


In California, he is. In fact, there's a movie coming out about him this year.


I doubt many Californians who aren't from San Francisco or active in the gay rights movement know anything about Harvey Milk.

How about a day honoring Leo Ryan instead? The guy seemed truly heroic.


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And he was assassinated for his views by a right-wing nutjob.

I don't dispute "nutjob," but I haven't viewed evidence that he was "right-wing." If he was right-wing, could you point me to a source?


"If you haven't heard about this bill it is because the liberal media is downplaying this bill so that it will pass." Raging homophobia. Religious fundamentalism. Liberal media. Cocky Democrats. What does he sound like to you?


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And he was assassinated for his views by a right-wing nutjob.

I don't dispute "nutjob," but I haven't viewed evidence that he was "right-wing." If he was right-wing, could you point me to a source?


"If you haven't heard about this bill it is because the liberal media is downplaying this bill so that it will pass." Raging homophobia. Religious fundamentalism. Liberal media. Cocky Democrats. What does he sound like to you?

Well he himself was a Democrat and everything else I have read about him on wikipedia indicates that he was in dire financial straights and obviously had mental health problems. Nothing indicated that he was a right-wing nutjob.

However, you seem to know a lot about him so I will bow to your knowledge.


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If anything, they should pass the bill in hopes that it'll teach kids about tolerance and acceptance. I'm assuming that's the main point of the event. I doubt they'll be indoctrinating children on "gay sex", that's just ludicrous. Why would people assume that?

There will no doubt be more and more children from same-sex couples entering the CA school system in the next few years, too.


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However, you seem to know a lot about him so I will bow to your knowledge.


Sorry, I thought you were referring to Randy Thomassan in your response. My bad!

As for Dan White, while he was a Democrat, he was a conservative (they do exist) and his reinstatement to the SF Board of Supervisors after his resignation was resisted by the liberal members of the board.


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However, you seem to know a lot about him so I will bow to your knowledge.


Sorry, I thought you were referring to Randy Thomassan in your response. My bad!

As for Dan White, while he was a Democrat, he was a conservative (they do exist) and his reinstatement to the SF Board of Supervisors after his resignation was resisted by the liberal members of the board.

So this was a crime, not a hate crime. It had nothing to do with tolerance?


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However, you seem to know a lot about him so I will bow to your knowledge.


Sorry, I thought you were referring to Randy Thomassan in your response. My bad!

As for Dan White, while he was a Democrat, he was a conservative (they do exist) and his reinstatement to the SF Board of Supervisors after his resignation was resisted by the liberal members of the board.

So this was a crime, not a hate crime. It had nothing to do with tolerance?


A lot of the controversy came out of the fact that he only served 5 years for the crime.


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A lot of the controversy came out of the fact that he only served 5 years for the crime.


Well, in his defense, he did eat a lot of twinkies.

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