Register  |  Sign In
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Mon May 12, 2025 7:07 pm



Reply to topic  [ 87 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
 Evolution 

How were you taught evolution in high school?
Evolution as a fundamental of science with no disclaimers/alternatives. 53%  53%  [ 16 ]
Evolution only, but with a disclaimer (It's only a theory and there are others) 17%  17%  [ 5 ]
Evolution and an alternative (Intelligent Design, Creationism), but focus on Ev. 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Evolution with an alternative (see above) given equal merit 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Creationism/Design with slight references to this possibility called Evolution 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Creationism or Design ONLY 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Avoided the topic altogether 17%  17%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 30

 Evolution 
Author Message
Extraordinary
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm
Posts: 12159
Post Evolution
How were you taught it (in high school, specifically)?

With Education standards in the U.S. plummeting relative to progress in much of world, especially in math science, this popped to mind. I was just thinking about how in my high school biology class, we were taught evolution, and evolution alone, but with the disclaimer that my biology teacher admitting that he didn't personally believe in it and that it was "only a theory." (a term which evolution's detractors like to play around with, despite the fact that it's the same classification used for essentially all of physics, chemistry, biology, etc....none of which are taught as "only theories").

Now, I didn't attend some rural school out in the bible belt, but rather a wealthy, elite, politically-moderate prep school (non-religious) on the east coast. Five years after taking high school bio, it's simply baffling to me that a biology teacher could make comments like that and still be a biology teacher at my school.

Anyways, discuss your experience. Make sure the mention how long ago it was.
Also, what are your personal reviews relative to what you were taught?


Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:31 am
Profile
invading your spaces
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm
Posts: 6194
Post Re: Evolution
I don't remember the Evolution "debate" (if you can call it that?) being a big thing when I was going to school in the early 1990s. It may have been mentioned once or twice by my teacher, who obviously rejected it.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:43 am
Profile WWW
Draughty

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:23 am
Posts: 13347
Post Re: Evolution
I wasn't taught it. It's not very important or relevant to a high school education. The time could better be used teaching students math and physics.

That's not to say that it was hidden from us or anything. I mean it was not part of a course that you'd study about it, but the teachers very probably mentioned evolution in passing from time to time. We were all aware of it and it was treated as an accepted, normal part of science, but taught it and studying it? No.

There's lots of worthwhile things in science that high schools don't get around to and shouldn't waste too much time with. HS is for drilling in the basics.

Edit: Definitely nobody mentioned creationism or would have taken it seriously.


Last edited by A. G. on Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:09 am, edited 1 time in total.



Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:00 am
Profile WWW
Stanley Cup
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm
Posts: 6981
Location: Hockey Town
Post Re: Evolution
I was taught both.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:07 am
Profile
Extraordinary
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm
Posts: 12096
Location: Stroudsburg, PA
Post Re: Evolution
I don't remember creationism even being mentioned when I was in High School in Richmond Virginia in the late 70s. I'm sure if it had, I would have made a stink (I was a loud mouth troublemaker in school, and I liked arguing with the teachers).

I don't know if it has changed since then, though.

_________________
Buy my books! http://michaelaventrella.com


Image


Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:13 am
Profile WWW
Extraordinary

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:19 pm
Posts: 11028
Post Re: Evolution
Neither Evolution or Creationism were taught to me when i was in highschool in the late 90s.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:16 am
Profile WWW
Extraordinary
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:52 am
Posts: 25990
Post Re: Evolution
I went to a Catholic HS, and we were taught evolution exclusively, without any disclaimers.

_________________
In order of preference: Christian, Argos

MadGez wrote:
Briefs. Am used to them and boxers can get me in trouble it seems. Too much room and maybe the silkiness have created more than one awkward situation.


My Box-Office Blog: http://boxofficetracker.blogspot.com/


Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:10 am
Profile WWW
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:47 pm
Posts: 3290
Location: Houston
Post Re: Evolution
I taught myself evolution and everything else I know about science. Never paid attention in school.

_________________
(hitokiri battousai)


Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:24 am
Profile
Extraordinary
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm
Posts: 12159
Post Re: Evolution
Just came across this:

Quote:
While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in schools,[33] however, she noted she would not use "religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism" as criteria for selection to the school board.[33]


Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:23 pm
Profile
The 5th B-Sharp
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:48 am
Posts: 1506
Post Re: Evolution
snack wrote:
Just came across this:

Quote:
While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in schools,[33] however, she noted she would not use "religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism" as criteria for selection to the school board.[33]



Quote:
The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms. Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:54 pm
Profile
All Star Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm
Posts: 4679
Post Re: Evolution
snack wrote:
Now, I didn't attend some rural school out in the bible belt,


I did, and Creationism never came up. We were taught science in science class, thank goodness. That was 20 years ago, though, so maybe things have changed since then. The Creationists hadn't yet really figured out how to weasel their way into science teaching yet.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:26 pm
Profile WWW
All Star Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm
Posts: 4679
Post Re: Evolution
Timayd wrote:
"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information.


I wonder if Palin supports abstinence-only education, or if she thinks we should teach both and, you know, not be afraid of information.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:27 pm
Profile WWW
Site Owner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:09 pm
Posts: 14631
Location: Pittsburgh
Post Re: Evolution
Hopefully she supports teaching abstinence and safe sex, as it should be.

_________________
Image


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:33 pm
Profile WWW
All Star Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm
Posts: 4679
Post Re: Evolution
Eagle wrote:
Hopefully she supports teaching abstinence and safe sex, as it should be.


As it should be? You do know that McCain is an abstinence-only supporter, don't you? I'd be very very very surprised if Palin, who is at least as socially right-wing as McCain, didn't share his view.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:43 pm
Profile WWW
Site Owner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:09 pm
Posts: 14631
Location: Pittsburgh
Post Re: Evolution
I'm aware.

Just because I support McCain doesn't mean I agree with everything the man says or supports.

_________________
Image


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:46 pm
Profile WWW
All Star Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm
Posts: 4679
Post Re: Evolution
Eagle wrote:
I'm aware.

Just because I support McCain doesn't mean I agree with everything the man says or supports.


Not that I ever believed it, but I thought you claiming to be on the fence.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:48 pm
Profile WWW
Site Owner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:09 pm
Posts: 14631
Location: Pittsburgh
Post Re: Evolution
I am, why? There are goods and bads to each candidate, and the issue is deciding which ones are most important to me. Abstinance education ranks toward the bottom of that list.

_________________
Image


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:50 pm
Profile WWW
A very honest-hearted fellow
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm
Posts: 4767
Post Re: Evolution
I've only covered creationism in philosophy courses. I learned nothing about it when I went to Catholic elementary school and the same was true in public high school.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:51 pm
Profile WWW
Stanley Cup
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm
Posts: 6981
Location: Hockey Town
Post Re: Evolution
snack wrote:
Just came across this:

Quote:
While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in schools,[33] however, she noted she would not use "religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism" as criteria for selection to the school board.[33]


Good.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:53 pm
Profile
Pure Phase
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am
Posts: 34865
Location: Maryland
Post Re: Evolution
Evolution only, but with a disclaimer (It's only a theory and there are others)

The teacher concentrated on evolution, but also reminded us over... and over... and over... and over, "There are billions of people who believe in creationism!" This teacher also had a Jesus fish on her car. ;)

I'm an atheist and believe 100% in evolution.

_________________
ImageImageImage

1. The Lost City of Z - 2. A Cure for Wellness - 3. Phantom Thread - 4. T2 Trainspotting - 5. Detroit - 6. Good Time - 7. The Beguiled - 8. The Florida Project - 9. Logan and 10. Molly's Game


Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:11 pm
Profile
All Star Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm
Posts: 4679
Post Re: Evolution
Gunslinger wrote:
Evolution only, but with a disclaimer (It's only a theory and there are others)

The teacher concentrated on evolution, but also reminded us over... and over... and over... and over, "There are billions of people who believe in creationism!" This teacher also had a Jesus fish on her car. ;)


Your teacher sounds wholly unqualified to teach science. :disgust:


Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:12 pm
Profile WWW
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:47 pm
Posts: 3290
Location: Houston
Post Re: Evolution
Beeblebrox wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
Evolution only, but with a disclaimer (It's only a theory and there are others)

The teacher concentrated on evolution, but also reminded us over... and over... and over... and over, "There are billions of people who believe in creationism!" This teacher also had a Jesus fish on her car. ;)


Your teacher sounds wholly unqualified to teach science. :disgust:

What can you do? I had a Chinese woman teaching Spanish and an American man teaching Japanese.

_________________
(hitokiri battousai)


Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:21 pm
Profile
All Star Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm
Posts: 4679
Post Re: Evolution
Somewhat reassuring from Palin:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.


She's anti-science but not as crazy as the Christianist base. That's something.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:16 pm
Profile WWW
Stanley Cup
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm
Posts: 6981
Location: Hockey Town
Post Re: Evolution
Beeblebrox wrote:
Somewhat reassuring from Palin:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.


She's anti-science but not as crazy as the Christianist base. That's something.



Anti-science because she believes in creationism?


Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:17 pm
Profile
All Star Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm
Posts: 4679
Post Re: Evolution
Jim Halpert wrote:
Anti-science because she believes in creationism?


Yes. If you believe in YEC, then you reject virtually every known science, the scientific method, and reason. You might as well believe in the sun orbiting the earth or a flat earth, as those have about as much scientific validity as YEC does.

I'm not talking about belief in God (which I do), which is arational (cannot be proved or disproved), but a belief in origins that is DIRECTLY contradicted by the evidence.


Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:21 pm
Profile WWW
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 87 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 31 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware for PTF.