Predict McCain's VP Choice
Predict McCain's VP Choice
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snack
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Anita Hussein Briem wrote: snack wrote: Alaskan's pay the highest per gallon nationwide by the way, at over $4.50 a gallon. Not sure what that means without some context. Alaska is in the middle of nowhere. Relative to the oil? I know they don't drill in ANWR, but isn't there still a substantial amount of drilling up there yonder?
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Eagle
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snack wrote: Anita Hussein Briem wrote: snack wrote: Alaskan's pay the highest per gallon nationwide by the way, at over $4.50 a gallon. Not sure what that means without some context. Alaska is in the middle of nowhere. Relative to the oil? I know they don't drill in ANWR, but isn't there still a substantial amount of drilling up there yonder? You don't just drill oil and shove it in a car ...
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Beeblebrox
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snack wrote: Alaskan's pay the highest per gallon nationwide by the way, at over $4.50 a gallon. Not sure what that means without some context. It means that the drilling issue (and to a large extent the "dependence of foreign oil" issues are canards. Alaskans get so much oil from their own backyard that every citizen in Alaska gets a subsidy from oil money. And yet they don't save money at the pump. Oil, whether drilled here or overseas, basically goes into a big global pot. The US actually exports millions of barrels a year to the global pool. Then we turn around and have to import it from that same pot (technically, we get most of our oil from Canada, not the middle east), including Alaskans, even though they have their own oil fields.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:47 pm |
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snack
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Eagle wrote: snack wrote: Anita Hussein Briem wrote: snack wrote: Alaskan's pay the highest per gallon nationwide by the way, at over $4.50 a gallon. Not sure what that means without some context. Alaska is in the middle of nowhere. Relative to the oil? I know they don't drill in ANWR, but isn't there still a substantial amount of drilling up there yonder? You don't just drill oil and shove it in a car ... Have they no refineries?
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snack
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Beeblebrox wrote: snack wrote: Alaskan's pay the highest per gallon nationwide by the way, at over $4.50 a gallon. Not sure what that means without some context. It means that the drilling issue (and to a large extent the "dependence of foreign oil" issues are canards. Alaskans get so much oil from their own backyard that every citizen in Alaska gets a subsidy from oil money. And yet they don't save money at the pump. Oil, whether drilled here or overseas, basically goes into a big global pot. The US actually exports millions of barrels a year to the global pool. Then we turn around and have to import it from that same pot (technically, we get most of our oil from Canada, not the middle east), including Alaskans, even though they have their own oil fields. Oh an explanation! Thanks.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:49 pm |
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Anita Hussein Briem
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snack wrote: Anita Hussein Briem wrote: snack wrote: Alaskan's pay the highest per gallon nationwide by the way, at over $4.50 a gallon. Not sure what that means without some context. Alaska is in the middle of nowhere. Relative to the oil? I know they don't drill in ANWR, but isn't there still a substantial amount of drilling up there yonder? Refined products. Even if Alaska refined its own distillates, the remoteness of many Alaskan settlements would still entail high prices. A great number of villages are accessible only by air, and gas costs over $10 a gallon in those places. Also remember the cost of transportation is high as well, thanks to fuel prices. Logistics are a big deal, folks. There's no neocon conspiracy out there.
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A. G.
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Pawlenty and Romney are not happy. Palin Pick Leaves Bruised Feelings
By Anne E. Kornblut DENVER -- Though it was high in shock value, the Palin pick left bruised feelings among the short-list contenders who were not picked -- and infuriated some Republican officials who privately said McCain had gone out on a limb, unnecessarily, without laying the groundwork for such an unknown. Two senior Republican officials close to Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now "feel manipulated."
"They now know that they were used as decoys, well after McCain had decided not to pick them," one Republican involved in the process said.http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tr ... _feel.htmlI wonder if they will continue to be happy warrior talking heads for McCain.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:51 pm |
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BJ
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Stations are under investigation, prices have been dropping around five-10 cents per wk for the last three wks. http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/ ... ion-high-/
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:52 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Another thought. Doesn't this undermine McCain's critique of Obama putting politics ahead of country? McCain made his pick based almost solely on the fact that she's a woman. That's pure political opportunism.
Obama picked someone who could take over the country if something happened to him. McCain picked someone that he would certainly otherwise criticize as completely unqualified and unready to lead. He did so because he thought it would help him win the election, not because she was read to step in if, god forbid, anything should happen to him. And given his age, that's a much bigger issue for McCain than it is Obama.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:54 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Archie Gates wrote: I wonder if they will continue to be happy warrior talking heads for McCain. Of course they will. Mitt just needs a little kick to his positronic robot brain and he'll be back in line.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:55 pm |
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Prices have been dropping nationwide. What's the big deal?
I wouldn't worry about gas stations -- they're having a hard time staying afloat these days. High gas prices, low station profits.
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We need to give John McCain credit.
He is clearly going after the eskimo vote, which has been almost completely ignored in previous elections.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:01 pm |
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Alaska doesn't refine the oil they drill, in fact, they only have 6 active refineries. Since they are so remote, getting gas costs extra money, it's not brain surgery.
Texas has multiple single refineries that pump out more barrels per day than Alaska does with all 6 of its refineries (375,900 bbl/d).
Oh, and Beeble makes it sound like Alaskan Oil is sold internationally, it's not at all.
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Beeblebrox
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Palin liked Obama's energy plan.
August 4, 2008, Fairbanks, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today responded to the energy plan put forward by the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, Illinois Senator Barack Obama.
“I am pleased to see Senator Obama acknowledge the huge potential Alaska’s natural gas reserves represent in terms of clean energy and sound jobs,†Governor Palin said. “The steps taken by the Alaska State Legislature this past week demonstrate that we are ready, willing and able to supply the energy our nation needs.†In a speech given in Lansing, Michigan, Senator Obama called for the completion of the Alaska natural gas pipeline, stating, “Over the next five years, we should also lease more of the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska for oil and gas production. And we should also tap more of our substantial natural gas reserves and work with the Canadian government to finally build the Alaska natural gas pipeline, delivering clean natural gas and creating good jobs in the process.â€Â
Governor Palin also acknowledged the Senator’s proposal to offer $1,000 rebates to those struggling with the high cost of energy.
“We in Alaska feel that crunch and are taking steps to address it right here at home,†Governor Palin said. “This is a tool that must be on the table to buy us time until our long-term energy plans can be put into place. We have already enjoyed the support of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, and it is gratifying to see Senator Obama get on board.â€Â
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Bradley Witherberry
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Archie Gates wrote: Pawlenty and Romney are not happy. Palin Pick Leaves Bruised Feelings
By Anne E. Kornblut DENVER -- Though it was high in shock value, the Palin pick left bruised feelings among the short-list contenders who were not picked -- and infuriated some Republican officials who privately said McCain had gone out on a limb, unnecessarily, without laying the groundwork for such an unknown. Two senior Republican officials close to Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now "feel manipulated."
"They now know that they were used as decoys, well after McCain had decided not to pick them," one Republican involved in the process said.http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tr ... _feel.htmlI wonder if they will continue to be happy warrior talking heads for McCain. If that's true, he was smart not to pick them.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:08 pm |
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Eagle wrote: Alaska doesn't refine the oil they drill, in fact, they only have 6 active refineries. Since they are so remote, getting gas costs extra money, it's not brain surgery.
Texas has multiple single refineries that pump out more barrels per day than Alaska does with all 6 of its refineries (375,900 bbl/d). That's why Houston has cheap gas.  Quote: Oh, and Beeble makes it sound like Alaskan Oil is sold internationally, it's not at all. Alaskan oil is primarily transported by pipeline, am I correct?
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Eagle
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Yep.
Despite what many of you are saying, I think McCain picked Palin because she fits well with what he wants to accomplish. The fact that she's a female was only an added bonus, and I honestly don't believe it was the deciding factor.
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Alpa Chino wrote: We need to give John McCain credit.
He is clearly going after the eskimo vote, which has been almost completely ignored in previous elections. And you clearly just stole that from the comment the read aloud on CNN 'sall good though.
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Beeblebrox wrote: Palin liked Obama's energy plan.
August 4, 2008, Fairbanks, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today responded to the energy plan put forward by the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, Illinois Senator Barack Obama.
“I am pleased to see Senator Obama acknowledge the huge potential Alaska’s natural gas reserves represent in terms of clean energy and sound jobs,†Governor Palin said. “The steps taken by the Alaska State Legislature this past week demonstrate that we are ready, willing and able to supply the energy our nation needs.†In a speech given in Lansing, Michigan, Senator Obama called for the completion of the Alaska natural gas pipeline, stating, “Over the next five years, we should also lease more of the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska for oil and gas production. And we should also tap more of our substantial natural gas reserves and work with the Canadian government to finally build the Alaska natural gas pipeline, delivering clean natural gas and creating good jobs in the process.â€Â
Governor Palin also acknowledged the Senator’s proposal to offer $1,000 rebates to those struggling with the high cost of energy.
“We in Alaska feel that crunch and are taking steps to address it right here at home,†Governor Palin said. “This is a tool that must be on the table to buy us time until our long-term energy plans can be put into place. We have already enjoyed the support of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, and it is gratifying to see Senator Obama get on board.†That's a fun one.
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Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:11 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Remember when Karl Rove had this to say: "With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years. He's been able but undistinguished. I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done ... [Kaine] was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it's smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa, or Gilbert, Arizona; North Las Vegas, or Henderson, Nevada. It's not a big town." 
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Bradley Witherberry
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snack wrote: Alpa Chino wrote: We need to give John McCain credit.
He is clearly going after the eskimo vote, which has been almost completely ignored in previous elections. And you clearly just stole that from the comment the read aloud on CNN 'sall good though. What?! We're not supposed to be doing our own thinkin' now, are we?
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Eagle
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Anita Hussein Briem wrote: Alaskan oil is primarily transported by pipeline, am I correct? From what I understand it's transported by pipeline from the north slope to Valdez, from there I think it's taken by Tankers to California and other NW states.
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Beeblebrox
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Eagle wrote: Despite what many of you are saying, I think McCain picked Palin because she fits well with what he wants to accomplish. The fact that she's a female was only an added bonus, and I honestly don't believe it was the deciding factor. You have got to be kidding.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Eagle wrote: Yep.
Despite what many of you are saying, I think McCain picked Palin because she fits well with what he wants to accomplish. The fact that she's a female was only an added bonus, and I honestly don't believe it was the deciding factor. She wouldn't have been picked if she's a man.
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Eagle
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snack wrote: That's a fun one. Why? Since she took office, she's been working to make many things in Obama's PLAN a REALITY. Energy credits? She did it. Pipeline? Building it. Why the heck wouldn't she be for something she was pushing for first?
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