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Who Will Be The 44th President?
John McCain 13%  13%  [ 7 ]
Barack Obama 66%  66%  [ 35 ]
Wall·E 21%  21%  [ 11 ]
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Jim Halpert wrote:
No.

But he raises taxes on anyone that makes over $200,000. Will his tax plan help me this time next year when I'm starting my career, yes.


Only on the amount over $200K. For the salary under that amount, you'll save three times as much money under Obama [/i]than McCain. And Obama's plan is basically to just roll back the Bush tax cuts. If you're making $200K a year, you're not exactly going to be put out in the streets by Obama's plan. I can see not wanting to pay more taxes, but the idea that this "scares the crap out of you" is kind of silly.

For example, for a family of four making $50K a year, you'd pay $1,000 MORE in taxes under McCain.

Furthermore, McCain's tax plan creates far more debt than Obama's.


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I can't wait to see the eventual debate between Obama and McCain. That'll be interesting.


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Jim Halpert wrote:
No.

But he raises taxes on anyone that makes over $200,000. Will his tax plan help me this time next year when I'm starting my career, yes.


Only on the amount over $200K. For the salary under that amount, you'll save three times as much money under Obama [/i]than McCain. And Obama's plan is basically to just roll back the Bush tax cuts. If you're making $200K a year, you're not exactly going to be put out in the streets by Obama's plan. I can see not wanting to pay more taxes, but the idea that this "scares the crap out of you" is kind of silly.

For example, for a family of four making $50K a year, you'd pay $1,000 MORE in taxes under McCain.

Furthermore, McCain's tax plan creates far more debt than Obama's.


My family makes that amount, hence why I like the McCain tax plan.


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My family makes that amount, hence why I like the McCain tax plan.


My family makes way above that amount, but we also have compassion for those not as fortunate as us, hence why we like Obamas tax plan.


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My family makes that amount, hence why I like the McCain tax plan.


My family makes way above that amount, but we also have compassion for those not as fortunate as us, hence why we like Obamas tax plan.


Obama's tax plan raises taxes, McCain's cuts it for everyone.


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Jim Halpert wrote:
My family makes that amount, hence why I like the McCain tax plan.

If your family makes that amount ($200k), then Obama's plan is much better for them. A rate hike occurs only on the amount over $200k meaning if you make $210k, you only pay extra taxes on $10k, while you get a larger tax cut on the first $200k.

It's understandable to have fears regarding taxes -- back when I first started working, I thought the marginal tax rate is applied to all my income, not just the amount over a certain threshold. At an income of $226,981, Obama's tax plan offers tax savings of about $330 over McCain's plan. Also don't forget your own career and that of your wife and kids. Don't forget your family may have lower income post-retirement that magnifies the advantage of O's plan.

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My family makes that amount, hence why I like the McCain tax plan.


If you make that amount, or just a little more, then you benefit more from Obama's plan. The only way you benefit more from McCain is if you make significantly more than that amount. And if you make significantly more than that amount, it's hard to imagine why you'd anyone's plan could "scare the crap" out of you, since you are obviously doing quite well and will continue to do so no matter who is president.

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Obama's tax plan raises taxes, McCain's cuts it for everyone.


For 95% of American wage earners, this is simply not true. For them, Obama's plan cuts taxes 3 times more than McCain's.


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Obama's tax plan raises taxes, McCain's cuts it for everyone.

1 out of 20 people isn't that many, really.

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Jim Halpert wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
Jim Halpert wrote:
No.

But he raises taxes on anyone that makes over $200,000. Will his tax plan help me this time next year when I'm starting my career, yes.


Only on the amount over $200K. For the salary under that amount, you'll save three times as much money under Obama [/i]than McCain. And Obama's plan is basically to just roll back the Bush tax cuts. If you're making $200K a year, you're not exactly going to be put out in the streets by Obama's plan. I can see not wanting to pay more taxes, but the idea that this "scares the crap out of you" is kind of silly.

For example, for a family of four making $50K a year, you'd pay $1,000 MORE in taxes under McCain.

Furthermore, McCain's tax plan creates far more debt than Obama's.


My family makes that amount, hence why I like the McCain tax plan.


Only on the amount over, not the full $200K+. For example, if the family makes 300k, you will still save three times as much for the first $200k under Obama's plan; for that extra 100k, McCain would take less, but combining the two, it's still not necessarily less.

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I love the fact that despite how much my parents get screwed by a Democratic tax plan, they've never voted republican. Well, not that screwed I suppose.
But seriously, that second-to-the-top tax plan is the only group that really gets hurt by an Obama plan, as their taxes go up quite a bit but the large majority of that group isn't making enough that the increase wouldn't alter their lifestyles.
The very top group, on the other hand, is already making so much that I don't really see their sacrifices under a liberal tax plan being nearly as large as the group below them.


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But seriously, that second-to-the-top tax plan is the only group that really gets hurt by an Obama plan, as their taxes go up quite a bit but the large majority of that group isn't making enough that the increase wouldn't alter their lifestyles.
The very top group, on the other hand, is already making so much that I don't really see their sacrifices under a liberal tax plan being nearly as large as the group below them.


Let's be real, though. None of us want to pay more taxes, but no one is really getting screwed. Even with Obama's plan, he's simply rolling back to the tax rates under Bill Clinton. And under Clinton, we had one of the largest economic expansions in history.

Here's Charlies Barkley in CNN addressing this issue:

BARKLEY: Well, I think that if you’re rich — I thank God I’ve been very successful — if you’re rich, you’re always going to be rich. If we pay more in taxes, I got no problem with that. If you’re making that kind of money, a couple hundred thousand dollars here or there are not going to change your life.

Let’s be realistic. I’ve been very fortunate and blessed. I did a great job of saving my money. But I got no problem if I’m making that type of money, paying more in taxes to be honest with you.


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I love the fact that despite how much my parents get screwed by a Democratic tax plan, they've never voted republican. Well, not that screwed I suppose.
But seriously, that second-to-the-top tax plan is the only group that really gets hurt by an Obama plan, as their taxes go up quite a bit but the large majority of that group isn't making enough that the increase wouldn't alter their lifestyles.
The very top group, on the other hand, is already making so much that I don't really see their sacrifices under a liberal tax plan being nearly as large as the group below them.

That top group is so small most surveys would categorize their existence as "statistically insignificant". It's amazing how much attention money can command, to the point where a lot of people get confused.

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That top group is so small most surveys would categorize their existence as "statistically insignificant". It's amazing how much attention money can command, to the point where a lot of people get confused.


In fact, when CNN covered the tax plans, they ONLY showed what happens with the top 5%. More liberal media bias at work.


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I missed this line from Ted Strickland in his convention speech, echoing the line from the 1988 convention.

"George Bush Sr. was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. George W. Bush was born on third base and then stole second."

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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I missed this line from Ted Strickland in his convention speech, echoing the line from the 1988 convention.

"George Bush Sr. was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. George W. Bush was born on third base and then stole second."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That line was classic. In that vein, McCain struck a home run without batting.

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This one is from Mont. Gov. Schweitzer:

"The petro-dictators will never own American wind and sunshine."

The line apparently was not in his prepared text. He improvised.


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And you wonder why we think McCain is completely out of touch.

But the numbers are misleading, said John Goodman, president of the National Center for Policy Analysis, a right-leaning Dallas-based think tank. Mr. Goodman, who helped craft Sen. John McCain's health care policy, said anyone with access to an emergency room effectively has insurance, albeit the government acts as the payer of last resort. (Hospital emergency rooms by law cannot turn away a patient in need of immediate care.)

"So I have a solution. And it will cost not one thin dime," Mr. Goodman said. "The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American – even illegal aliens – as uninsured. Instead, the bureau should categorize people according to the likely source of payment should they need care.

"So, there you have it. Voila! Problem solved."


This assclown helped craft McCain's health care policy?!


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Anita Hussein Briem wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
I missed this line from Ted Strickland in his convention speech, echoing the line from the 1988 convention.

"George Bush Sr. was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. George W. Bush was born on third base and then stole second."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That line was classic. In that vein, McCain struck a home run without batting.

McCain's would be - he was a POW, he deserves to be on any base he wants.


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Anita Hussein Briem wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
I missed this line from Ted Strickland in his convention speech, echoing the line from the 1988 convention.

"George Bush Sr. was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. George W. Bush was born on third base and then stole second."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That line was classic. In that vein, McCain struck a home run without batting.

McCain's would be - he was a POW, he deserves to be on any base he wants.


"Friends, there was a time for five and a half years when I didn't have any bases. When I was in prison."


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"Friends, there was a time for five and a half years when I didn't have any bases. When I was in prison."

"As soon as I got back, I upgraded third base."

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So looking at what Republicans and Democrats alike regard as the "first presidential decision" made by the respective candidates, let's see how they stack up.

Obama chose a career politician with decades of foreign policy experience, a guy who worked his way up, has demonstrated bipartisanship, a social and fiscal moderate. Obama made a safe choice.

McCain chose a woman who has been known to fight corruption within her own party, but who has been governor for only 20 months, who by his own account isn't ready to lead from day one, who was likely chosen because she is a woman. McCain made a bold but risky and unexpected choice.

Obama chose the person who could take over the job were something to happen to him. McCain chose the person who could win over Hillary Democrats and conservative soccer moms.

So according to McCain, who put country first and who put his campaign first?


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Does she know anything about states other than Alaska and Idaho?

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Does she know anything about states other than Alaska and Idaho?


She knows about Idaho?


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Does she know anything about states other than Alaska and Idaho?

She knows about Idaho?

That's just hearsay. It may be stretching the truth.

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October surprise prediction:

McCain makes a promise to serve only one term.


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