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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- On the first day of what is to be a two-week economic tour around the country, Barack Obama said Monday that lawmakers should inject another $50 billion immediately into the sluggish U.S. economy.

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee cited the largest monthly increase in the unemployment rate in over 20 years, and record highs in oil prices, food prices and foreclosures.

"Such relief can't wait until the next president takes office. ... That's why I've called for another round of fiscal stimulus, an immediate $50 billion to help those who've been hit hardest by this economic downturn," Obama told a crowd in Raleigh, N.C.

He said that he supports the expansion and extension of unemployment benefits, as well as a second round of tax rebate checks.

Last week, Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill said that the latest unemployment rate shows that Congress and the Bush administration need to do more to help workers and the unemployed. And they called for a second round of fiscal stimulus.

An economic stimulus package that passed in early February featured tax rebates that are now being sent to more than 130 million Americans. On Friday, the Treasury Department reported that so far it has sent out nearly 67 million stimulus payments worth approximately $57 billion.

Extending unemployment insurance benefits was one measure tossed out of that legislation, but it's considered a leading contender if more stimulus is put in place. One bill, expected to go to the House floor for consideration this week, calls for an additional 13 weeks of benefits to be added to what is typically a 26-week cap on federal payments. In addition, it calls for 13 weeks on top of that for workers in states with very high unemployment rates.

Obama didn't offer details about how much money could go toward rebates and how much would be used to pay for benefits extensions. But the $50 billion in total stimulus that he's calling for represents less than a third of the $170 billion earmarked for the first stimulus package, the bulk of which is being spent on rebates. And the jury is still out on how successful those rebates will be stimulating the economy.

More economic proposals to come
Obama in his speech criticized his Republican rival, John McCain, for proposing to extend all of President Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

But Obama himself has taken a page from Bush's playbook on taxes.

Obama has pledged to keep the tax cuts in place for everyone except those making roughly $250,000 and up. He has also made proposals to cut taxes further for the middle class, some of which he reiterated in his speech: exempt seniors making less than $50,000 from having to pay income tax; give a tax credit worth up to $500 per working person ($1,000 per family) to offset the Social Security tax on the first $8,100 of earnings; and expand the earned income tax credit.

To boost retirement savings, he has also proposed a 50% federal match on the first $1,000 of savings for families that earn under $75,000.

Obama said that next week he will lay out his proposals for making the "workforce more competitive by reforming our education system."


I like his idea to exempt seniors, and I like the federal matching, but offseting the Social Security tax? Really? Haven't we learned our lesson regarding that already?

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I like his idea to exempt seniors, and I like the federal matching, but offseting the Social Security tax? Really? Haven't we learned our lesson regarding that already?


Given all of the other measures, I'm not sure what your objection is to the SS tax credit. It doesn't sound like the funds would come from the SS trust fund and it doesn't appear to be a privatization scheme. It's basically a general income tax credit for low wage workers.

While I'm sure we'd all welcome the financial relief, my real question here would be whether or not any of this will really do that much good. Unemployment is up, gas prices are skyrocketing, inflation is about to get out of control, and homes across the country are in foreclosure.

I do not envy anyone who has to come up with a solution to this mess.


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I actually liked most of that plan. I'm concerned about taking another $50b loan out though.


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I actually liked most of that plan. I'm concerned about taking another $50b loan out though.


By letting the tax cuts on the $250K+ tax bracket expire, it'd be interesting to know how much that offsets from the cost of the plan.


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It's clear social security is in trouble, giving a tax credit on it is only going to make it worse. Sure, you may not be taking stored money, but your taking money that's going into that fund.

Stupid, stupid, last ditch idea. If you can't find something else to take money from than SS, then you shouldn't be taking it.

And I hate all these band-aid patches. I don't like Bush's tax rebates, and I don't like this.

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It's clear social security is in trouble, giving a tax credit on it is only going to make it worse. Sure, you may not be taking stored money, but your taking money that's going into that fund.


That's not how I understand it. Payroll taxes are still collected for SS. The tax credit offsets the payroll tax. If he were reducing the SS payroll tax, or if that was the net effect, he wouldn't need to offset it. It seems like this affects general income tax revenue, not the SS fund.


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I hope you're right, I mean, I still think any type of stimulus like this is idiotic, but at least if that's the case it's not really doing anything but taking money away from congress.

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Beats spending like a trillion dollars on a false war

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I still haven't gotten my check from the first time around. WTF.

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I still haven't gotten my check from the first time around. WTF.


lol... My professor, who is a US citizen in Canada, received his check last week.


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And I hate all these band-aid patches. I don't like Bush's tax rebates, and I don't like this.


Huh? That was decidedly not your reaction to Bush's rebate checks originally:

"I expect Bush's rebate plan to be finalized in the coming weeks. The two should help stabilize the economic fears for the time being."

And your response to the idea of a rebate on social security taxes:

"It will work because, those who are exempt from paying income tax due to earning too little, still have to pay social security. Thus, I suppose it's going to be more of a social security tax rebate, if that makes sense."

"Fiscally conservative Republicans tend to be against huge government spending, but I think everyone agrees, this is necessary."

"It will work." "This is necessary." I'm not really detecting a lot of hate there when it was Bush's plan.


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Jeff wrote:
I still haven't gotten my check from the first time around. WTF.


My boyfriend, a citizen of Switzerland got his via direct deposit when I got mine, last month.

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I still haven't gotten my check from the first time around. WTF.


My boyfriend, a citizen of Switzerland got his via direct deposit when I got mine, last month.

They hate you.


Well my refund was delayed about ... 2 months? Roughly. While they straightened out an error in their system.

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I still haven't gotten my check from the first time around. WTF.


I haven't yet either. :mad:

I'll be among the last group I'm sure.

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Post Re: Obama: Give Economy $50B boost
That quote on the social security bit was me explaining how people who didn't pay income tax would be able to get a rebate, it wasn't me saying it's a good thing.

Did Bush's rebate help the economy? Yes, it's not even an argument. Did it help consumer confidence? I think you could reasonably say that's the case. Was it basically a temporary fix with little to no long term effect? No doubt about it.

And if you remember, it was the Democrats that made this latest rebate dip into Social Security, all because they wanted people who didn't pay income tax (like me) to get a rebate anyways. Not that it makes it any better, because both parties passed it, and even the original draft was nothing more than a band aid fix.

Personally, I prefer to lower taxes, and see the benefits over the long term. Not these silly 1 year rebates, which really do nothing but give the economy a temporary bump. If you can afford the rebate, you can afford a tax cut. It all goes back to the bloated government spending, earmarks, and the like, which thankfully I think both candidates want to fix (though in different manners).

But anyways, fear is a nasty thing, and sometimes these bandaid patches are needed to stop people from running around like chickens with their heads cut off. But, just because they may be neseccary, doesn't make them good.

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I was against the first stimulus plan. I don't think it helped but it made a lot of people happy at significant cost. Now we are talking about a second one that would make people happy but again at cost. The idiotic thing about this is that this might actually pass as opposed to the gas tax rebate(which would of done nothing anyway except cost). Nancy Pelosi suggested this before the first one passed(which was introduced by republicans BTW) and she suggested it again this week. What a way to throw our money down the toilet. Ah whatever guess I can buy another PS3 and give that money to Japan......

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