I dont think Obama has a choice but to accept her services as VP. If he turned her down, the Hillary supporters will be pissed and Hillary will once again use an excuse of turning her down as dividing the democratic party up. He probably doesnt want to but has no other option

As I've said before, I'd be positively thrilled by an Obama/Clinton ticket.

I mean, there are people I would certainly prefer as VP to Hillary. But I feel like it would really be a strong ticket, electorally. Which is what's important to me right now.

Hillary on the ticket would completely undermine his fresh-start, turn-the-page appeal.

Except it's become personal to many, and when things get personal, you can forget about party loyalty, the issues, etc.

I'd be okay with an Obama/Clinton ticket since her Health Care plan could possibly happen, and I'd be willing to vote for it over an Obama/??? ticket or a McCain/??? ticket.

I've decided though that if Clinton isn't on any ticket this NOV, I won't support the DEM party or REP party, and just vote for one of the third party candidates instead.

In other words, supporting the Republican candidate. Every vote that doesn't go to the Democrats is, in essense, a vote for McCain, just like when a bunch of liberals handed the election to Bush by voting for Ralph Nader.

So while you're holding your breath and turning blue because you didn't get your way, you can rest easily knowing that your protest vote may help get into office the guy who will reverse Roe v. Wade, fill the Supreme Court with right wing ideologues, and continue the war for 100 years.

Again, it's the "vote for Obama this NOV or else", a scare tactic hidden behind Obama and his supporters rhetoric. It's the same strategy the DEM party used in 2006 to get elected, and it's got us nowhere. What happened to just allowing people to vote for who they feel is best? The best candidate for them, without any Intemidation or any of that shit? And neither Obama or McCain is that candidate for me (Obama is basically any random DEM elected in 2006 based on change, while McCain is a modified Bush), so I'm not voting for either of them.

And it's not like a McCain win will doom us all. He will have a hell of a time appointing judges and getting anything through congess since the DEMS will have a stronger majority.

In 1980, before most of you were born, I worked for John Anderson. He was an independent candidate running against Carter and Reagan, and thanks in part to young idealists like myself, Reagan won. In 2000, we saw what happened with Nader.

Dream all you want, but we're either going to get Obama or McCain, and there is a huge difference between the two. Wasting your vote on a 3rd party may have a huge impact in the final analysis as to our country's direction.

For me though, Obama and McCain are the same. Not in how they will decide on issues, or any of that. But because I feel neither of them can do anything to change the country for the better, and neither of them are for ME. I don't know why people don't understand that it's quite possible to dislike all the major candidates in any sort of race, and just because one of them will be the next President, shouldn't prevent you from voting for someone else instead.

Wasting a vote is voting for someone you don't believe in, not voting for a candidate that has little to no chance of winning. It's a big reason why we have this two party system in our country.

I liked tonight's speech, but forizzle hillarizzle, it's time to give it up. What's left to fight for?

To me Obama must now give Hilary a VP ticket or make her a cabinet minister or else I see her and her supporters getting bitter.

The truth is no matter how many youth fanatics vote for Obama, it will be insignificant compared to the number of older people and white males that will vote for McCain. Obama must get those blue collar people on side...


Look with Clinton who easily get Arkansas and you keep the Hispanic vote for the democrats. Obama will still easily win a lot of those mountain states as he has before.

She has 18 million people on her side. I don't think many of them would go for McCain, but I think there's a risk that they abstain from voting altogether unless Obama does something (i.e. VP or convincing Hillary to hand them over with a cabinet promise).

Clinton won't win arkansas as the vp. I can guarantee that

It does matter if 5 million of the 18 million do not vote for Obama or if 500 do not vote for Obama...


That is why I find the Hilary hating to be idiotic is foolish. She still bested Obama in many places and demographics and even though it was way to late, she really picked up steam at the end at Obama's expense. These elections are mostly about timing. Really the number of voters especially Hispanic, blue collar, woman voters she brings on side would be many times more then the Hilary Haters out there...


If the Wright thing happened a week before Nov,4th 2008, McCain would be in power.



True as VP she won't. Anyways she should be part of the campaign team.

I can just see the McCain attack ads if Hillary is VP. "Obama's own running mate said that Obama isn't ready to run the country."

It's not going to happen. All you bitter Hillary fans can keep dreaming, but there's no way.

exactly.

Is this retard so damn petty and hateful that she basically lost to a black man, whom for months she's bashed his character, that she would not concede the election to him unless he offers her the VP slot? I mean seriously, she only damn near did everything to the man but call him the N word. She kindof mentioned assassinating the man, and she has the nerve to want the VP slot. For what, hoping that it happens? There is no way EVER that she would allow that man peace in his position because she wants absolute power.
Her arrogance and hatred won't even outshine her ignorance and congratulate the man.....I mean without the sarcasm

However Obama has to appease her or she could sabotage it...

no he doesnt. hes still beating mccain in most of the national polls isnt he? it would be nice if he just doesnt acknowledge her ever again.

btw this made me laugh :

Hillary during her speech last tonight...."I will not make any decisions tonight"




Obama during his speech last tonight....."I am the Democratic Nominee"




Ouch.

It will be the difference from getting a slim victory or getting a huge win...

Exactly, the problem is is he takes as VP, how are they going to actually convince people they are truly working together, because the diehard supporters on both sides won't buy it.

And jujubee is right, HIllary saying McCain is ready and Obama is going to be in ads in the general election, it will be there regardless of whether she is VP. McCain is already pandering to HIllary's supporters.

I honestly that statement of hers is the most damning thing she said all campaign.

That said, Bill and HIllary have been the darlings of the democratic party for two decades, she not disappearing at all.

I am still surprised Obama won, I mean HIllary was the assumed nominee, imagine if McCain had managed to topple Bush in 2000.

Hillary is going to have a major role in the next Presidency, there is just no way around it, she's going to be out there campaigning for Obama, remember how nice McCain was to Bush after.