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Post What's Hillary's motive?
... for staying in this long.

Somehow I don't buy "promoting women's rights!" being the sole reason

And she can't possibly believe she can still win

Is she just a stubborn loser? Debt? Waiting to see if he gets assassinated? Sabotage so she can can claim they should've picked her? The last two are a bit too evil!, but who knows.

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I think debt and the fact that she just doesn't have the ability to think she could possibly lose.

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Maybe I'm less cynical, but I think she wants to make her mark and at least say she was able to ride out until the very end.


...oh, and to raise funds for her debt.


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Its a combination of ego and her debt.


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I dont know how accurate this is but during a conversation last week, I was told its customary for whomever wins the ticket to pay off some the runner-up's debt.

Legally, Obama's campaign is not allowed to "donate" more than $2,000 to Hillary's campaign. The best he could do would be help her raise the funds. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/ ... 244/513343

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...Because it would make a great made-for-television movie.

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looks like Hill is going to bow out either tomorrow night or sometime on Wednesday.

She definitely deserves the VP slot at this point, with 17 Million primary votes and counting.


:funny: :funny: :funny:

Oh my. I think that would single handidly ruin the Democrats campaigns AGAIN.

Republicans would get 4 more years!!!

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Good riddance to bad rubbish. :cheer:

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She definitely deserves the VP slot at this point, with 17 Million primary votes and counting.


No way in frozen hell.


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She will likely be a major force in the democratic party and could easily hold a cabinet position in Obama's administration.

She should be out there campaigning as well as she would get the blue collar vote out, which view Obama as being a elitist.

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Well i suppose she is feeling like shit right about now, in the sense that how many of you have really really really worked for something, like put 100% effort into a goal, and then failed disasterously?! Lets be honest, shes probably been thinking about the presidency for atleast the last quarter century. Think about it. Acknowledging that the Clinton brand has been well known (over 15 years) and Obama was a political neophyte going into these state primaries its funny how Hilary is the underdog. Everything that has happened in the meanwhile - from marrying and staying with Bill even though he dogged her in front of hundreds of millions of people, whoring herself out to every contributor, lying to everyone and anyone - was in pursuit of this goal. And now it is gone; to someone who many people hadnt even heard of a year ago!

I imagine this shit is eating her from her insides.

Suicide watch status for Hillary. :funny:

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with attitudes like that you will bitching when McCain is in the office. :shades: :shades:


Try to think hard from what I am trying to say.... :funny:

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And Hillary wins in 2012.

works for me.


So Hillary being president is more important to you than the economic and foreign policy health of this country. I think that about typifies the stereo-typical Clinton support right there.


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with attitudes like that you will bitching when McCain is in the office. :shades: :shades:


Diehard Hillary supporters WANT Obama to lose and for McCain to be president. So they can wag their fingers with "I told you so" and elect Hillary in 2012. The country doesn't matter. The Democratic party doesn't matter. All that matters is Hillary winning.


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If you manage to prove a woman wrong, she will scorch all the ends of the earth.

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Well i suppose she is feeling like shit right about now, in the sense that how many of you have really really really worked for something, like put 100% effort into a goal, and then failed disasterously?! Lets be honest, shes probably been thinking about the presidency for atleast the last quarter century. Think about it. Acknowledging that the Clinton brand has been well known (over 15 years) and Obama was a political neophyte going into these state primaries its funny how Hilary is the underdog. Everything that has happened in the meanwhile - from marrying and staying with Bill even though he dogged her in front of hundreds of millions of people, whoring herself out to every contributor, lying to everyone and anyone - was in pursuit of this goal. And now it is gone; to someone who many people hadnt even heard of a year ago!

I imagine this shit is eating her from her insides.

Suicide watch status for Hillary. :funny:

Yep. My thoughts too.
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with attitudes like that you will bitching when McCain is in the office. :shades: :shades:


Diehard Hillary supporters WANT Obama to lose and for McCain to be president. So they can wag their fingers with "I told you so" and elect Hillary in 2012. The country doesn't matter. The Democratic party doesn't matter. All that matters is Hillary winning.


That is indeed true at the moment.

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Mannyisthebest wrote:
with attitudes like that you will bitching when McCain is in the office. :shades: :shades:


Diehard Hillary supporters WANT Obama to lose and for McCain to be president. So they can wag their fingers with "I told you so" and elect Hillary in 2012. The country doesn't matter. The Democratic party doesn't matter. All that matters is Hillary winning.


That is indeed true at the moment.


The context of my comment is very important. Do you then agree with loyal that the country's well-being is less important than your desire to see Hillary win?


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Because all the smart, hip, young "progressives" were enthralled by Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic Party elite were able to convince themselves that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton had no real supporters -- or, at least, no supporters with the kind of passionate intensity that Obama's acolytes could bring to the campaign.

Wrong. Hillary's most ardent supporters tend to be women of a certain age, but their intensity shouldn't be underestimated just because they belong to a post-menopausal demographic.

As they've watched their girl get shoved aside by the brash Obama and his youthful cohorts, Hillary's army of liberal crones has become increasingly embittered toward the Democrats.

That bitterness erupted like a volcano of venom Saturday, when some of Hillary's supporters were manhandled out of the ballroom at the Washington, D.C., hotel where the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) was meeting.

One of the ejectees, an elderly Manhattanite who identified herself as Harriet Christian, stormed up to a phalanx of TV cameras and began ranting that, by denying Michigan and Florida the full representation that Clinton had demanded, the committee was rejecting "the best nominee that's possible." She continued:

"And the Democrats are throwing the election away! For what? An inadequate black male who would not have been running had it not been a white woman that was running for president! And I'm not going to shut my mouth anymore!...I'm no second-class citizen -- and g--damn the Democrats!"

Incoherent and irrational -- and perhaps, in some sense, racist -- as her rant may have been, Ms. Christian's sentiments were echoed by other pro-Hillary protesters who were tossed out of Saturday's RBC meeting at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel.

"I've been voting for 40 years," said Deborah Foster, a gray-haired gym teacher from Long Island, N.Y., after she was ejected. "Those idiot bosses in there have given me two winners in 40 years. And now they're going to tell us how people are voting and take votes away? The party elite sucks."

Displaying a bruise on her arm she said had been inflicted by DNC goons, Foster described how she'd been among a pro-Clinton contingent that started chanting "Denver! Denver!" when security "swarmed down" and told her, "Let's go. You've had your last chance."

WHETHER FOSTER and her comrades have truly had their last chance is a question that may remain unanswered long after the "inadequate black male" stakes his claim to the Democratic nomination.

Obama's August gain may be less than what Democrats lost for November, namely the goodwill of many thousands of hard-core Hillary fans.

These women have volunteered for her and cheered for her and sent her their money. On a deeper level, to many liberal women, Hillary's been a heroine since 1992. To see their candidate beat down by the Democratic elite is a sort of personal rejection of them, and who can blame them for feeling bitter?

Where that bitterness goes from here is unknown. The shouts of "Denver!" that got the pro-Hillary protesters ejected from Saturday's meeting at the Marriott found an echo in an official statement issued afterward by the Clinton campaign.

"We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee" at the convention, senior adviser Harold Ickes and campaign manager Tina Flournoy wrote.


TEAM OBAMA IS reportedly seeking a "negotiated surrender" from Hillary, but if that fails, Clinton could spend the next 12 weeks in guerrilla-warfare mode, spreading the message that she's been ripped off by the DNC, and rallying her troops for an Armageddon in August.

Being a sore loser would hurt Hillary's future viability -- 2012 is still a very real option, should Obama fail this fall -- so it's more likely she'll grudgingly hoist the white flag in a couple of weeks.

Whether she'll be able to salve her supporters' bruised feelings is less certain, and perhaps irrelevant. By Nov. 4, the battle lines may be drawn so starkly, with such powerful appeals to partisan loyalty, that even Hillary's most bitter backers will feel obliged to vote for Obama.

Or maybe not. As Harriet Christian shouted at the TV cameras Saturday, "Our Democratic Party threw us down the tubes!...And they think we won't turn and vote for McCain? Well, I got news for all of you: McCain will be the next president of the United States!"

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13302



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with attitudes like that you will bitching when McCain is in the office. :shades: :shades:


Diehard Hillary supporters WANT Obama to lose and for McCain to be president. So they can wag their fingers with "I told you so" and elect Hillary in 2012. The country doesn't matter. The Democratic party doesn't matter. All that matters is Hillary winning.


That is indeed true at the moment.


I guess you want McCain to lead us to hell in the next 4 years. Go ahead and root for him so he can bomb Iran, bring back the draft, start wars all over the globe, and drag our economy down to the sewer. If that happens our country is finished it wouldn't matter who was elected president.


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Women for McCain. :whistle:


fuck those women in that article. :roll:

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looks like Hill is going to bow out either tomorrow night or sometime on Wednesday.

She definitely deserves the VP slot at this point, with 17 Million primary votes and counting.


After putting Obama through all this nonsense for weeks now when she couldn't make up the gap regardless? I think not. She may be very popular with broke single women but she turns off most people who can think.

The correct choice for VP would be Bill Richardson.

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The woman in that article is disgusting. Apparently reason/logic/sense are all completely irrelevant, all that matters is that Clinton win even when she loses. Anyone who clings to the nonsensical popular vote "argument" have obviously not actually looked at any of the numbers/facts for themselves.

How people can complain with the DNC's decision on Saturday is ridiculous. FLA and MI broke the rules and technically no compromise was needed or deserved, but a compromise was made and it's still not good enough.

Clinton needs to concede on Wednesday and tell her followers to vote Obama in November. At least, that's what she should do if she cares about this country or her political views at all. Her main argument to win the nomination has been that Obama isn't electable, not that she takes issue with his stand on any major issues, really. Using that logic (which sounds like a jump at this point) it would only make sense for her to tell her followers that Obama is better than McCain so don't cut your nose to spite your face.


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looks like Hill is going to bow out either tomorrow night or sometime on Wednesday.

She definitely deserves the VP slot at this point, with 17 Million primary votes and counting.


After putting Obama through all this nonsense for weeks now when she couldn't make up the gap regardless? I think not. She may be very popular with broke single women but she turns off most people who can think.

The correct choice for VP would be Bill Richardson.



Pretty much over 40% of the American people hate he and the Republicans will dig up some new scandal that they have on her. There have been rumors for years that Murdoch has something very secret on Hillary that he has been saving, which is why he think Obama is going to win because he has nothing on him.


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with attitudes like that you will bitching when McCain is in the office. :shades: :shades:


Diehard Hillary supporters WANT Obama to lose and for McCain to be president. So they can wag their fingers with "I told you so" and elect Hillary in 2012. The country doesn't matter. The Democratic party doesn't matter. All that matters is Hillary winning.


That is indeed true at the moment.


I guess you want McCain to lead us to hell in the next 4 years. Go ahead and root for him so he can bomb Iran, bring back the draft, start wars all over the globe, and drag our economy down to the sewer. If that happens our country is finished it wouldn't matter who was elected president.


McCain winning, and bringing doom to American is one of the most exaggerated claims anyone can make. It's just like in 2006 when the DEMS were screaming saying "if you keep the REPS in the majority, America is doomed. Elect us, and we will change America for the better." And what have the accomplished? No president can start wars. If he doesn't get the support of Congress, no war can be declared. Surely the DEM lead Congress would prevent him from starting a war with Iran or whoever else, but to be honest, I wouldn't put pass them to actually support the idea really.

Joe Lieberman has endorsed McCain for President. The same guy that was running with Al Gore in 2000 who the DEM party soon turned against him by nominating the MoveOn.Org DEM candidate in 2006, so he decided to run as a third party candidate by saying, "For the sake of our state, our country and my party, I cannot and will not let that result stand", and ended up winning re-election anyway. He is one of the few Democrats (even if he's an Independent now) left who doesn't let the DEMS or DNC tell him what he should do. And guess what the DEMS did to him after he endorsed McCain? They stripped him of his SuperDelegate status at the 2008 DEM Convention. And for what? Supporting who he thought was the best candidate? The Democratic Party has REALLY changed, though it may have always been like this, I've only followed Politics for 4 years now.

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