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The GOP, with few ideas and even less integrity, wants to make hay out of Obama saying Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald. I'm sure that if they really want to get into agaffe-war, then Dems would be happy to oblige.

Their take on it is that Obama is completely making it up. But the FACT is that Obama's great uncle really did help liberate a German concentration camp in 1945. It was the first concentration camp liberated by the Americans.

On the other hand, Bush's grandfather was a collaborator with the Nazis and did business with them throughout the 1930s. So is this really the territory that the GOP wants to harp on? But let's face it. When have facts, reality, or shame ever stopped them from doing anything.


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Post Re: Obama's uncle was liberating concentration camp while Bush's
Nice of you to skip out on Bush 41 being shot down over the Pacific.


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Nice of you to skip out on Bush 41 being shot down over the Pacific.


beeble being unbiased? come on now.


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beeble being unbiased? come on now.


I'm sorry, are you under the impression that ANYONE on this site (including yourself or the torture-supporting 28%-er above) is unbiased? So what is the relevance?


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Jim Halpert wrote:
beeble being unbiased? come on now.


I'm sorry, are you under the impression that ANYONE on this site (including yourself or the torture-supporter) is unbiased? So what is the relevance?

I'm partisan, but I consider myself honest and fair.


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I don't see parties.

Who is this "Bush" fella?

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Who gives a fuck about grand-relatives? There are great people whose relatives fought for the Nazis. Millions of honorable Americans have lived and died with Confederate ancestors. I'm aware the RNC is trying to make hay, but it's an abortive attempt that warrants no attention. Don't forget the DNC would do the same.

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I'm partisan, but I consider myself honest and fair.


Who doesn't.

But you've already said that you're going to vote for the Republican candidate no matter what in this election. Munk said he hopes something bad happens to American just so Democrats get destroyed. It doesn't get more partisan than that. So it's a weird criticism to make, but maybe distraction was the point.


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I like to consider myself to be unbias.

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I'm partisan in that I support one party over the other for political reasons, but I consider myself unbiased in that when my party makes mistakes or if there is a member of that party I don't like, I don't support them blindly...

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I'm really stuck in a rut then. Conservatives hate me for supporting Obama and liberals hate me for disagreeing with them. :funny: When I was on the campaign staff, I tried to keep conversations confined to discussion of foreign policy and "creeping fascism." -- most other topics didn't go well with me, from abortion to Tibet.

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Eagle wrote:
I like to consider myself to be unbias.


You're not.


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Well, in Eagle's defense, it depends on how you define "unbiased."

He may consider himself unbiased because he does not automatically favor one party over the other and so on.

But everybody is biased in some way. We're biased toward the kinds of movies we like, what we prefer to eat, who our friends our, our taste in music -- that's all biases in many ways....

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I'm really stuck in a rut then. Conservatives hate me for supporting Obama and liberals hate me for disagreeing with them.


As the old saying goes, politics makes for interesting bedfellows. Look at the left's embrace of Hagel and Ron Paul, for example.

And as a liberal, I'll state for the record that I don't hate you. :)


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Well, in Eagle's defense, it depends on how you define "unbiased."

He may consider himself unbiased because he does not automatically favor one party over the other and so on.

But everybody is biased in some way. We're biased toward the kinds of movies we like, what we prefer to eat, who our friends our, our taste in music -- that's all biases in many ways....


Well yeah. Everyone is biased in some way. And yet no one considers themselves biased, or irrational, or illogical. Ask either side which is the side of intellectualism and reason. But that's getting into a rather lengthy discussion of psychology.


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What the hell is wrong with these people?

A "conservative" wingnut blogger completely slanders the service of WW2 veterans.

The loony left's tinfoil-hatter conspiracy theorists had always topped off the cuckoo meter in my book... until now. They've finally met their match this week in a development I never anticipated living to see: Nazi apologists! What the hell, man. I fly a POW flag on my car. These fucktards will not diss our troops.

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A "conservative" wingnut blogger completely slanders the service of WW2 veterans.


They did the same thing to purple-heart recipients in 2004. This is nothing new for them.


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Btw, thanks for the link Merkel. Here's the new front page of the 89th Infantry Division website. Suck it, wingnuts.

Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.

For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a 'work' camp and not a 'death' camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.


It has been recorded that in Ordruf itself the last days were a slaughterhouse. We were shot at, beaten and molested. At every turn went on the destruction of the remaining inmates. Indiscriminant criminal behavior (like the murderers of Oklahoma City some days ago). Some days before the first Americans appeared at the gates of Ordruf, the last retreating Nazi guards managed to execute with hand pistols, literally emptying their last bullets on whomever they encountered leaving them bleeding to death as testified by an American of the 37th Tank Battalion Medical section, 10 a.m. April 4, 1945.

Today I'm privileged thanks to G-d and you gallant fighting men. I'm here to reminisce, and reflect, and experience instant recollections of those moments. Those horrible scenes and that special instance when an Allied soldier outstretched his arm to help me up became my re-entrance, my being re-invited into humanity and restoring my inalienable right to a dignified existence as a human being and as a Jew. Something, which was denied me from September 1939 to the day of liberation in 1945. I had no right to live and survived, out of 80 members of my family, the infernal ordeal of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Ordruf, and its satellite camp Crawinkle and finally Theresinstadt Ghetto-Concentration Camp.

Rabbi Murray Kohn

This website has been created to honor the service of the 89th Infantry Division during the Second World War. The 89th, known as the Rolling W, served with distinction during combat operations in Europe from March-May, 1945.

This website was created by 89th veteran Raymond E. Kitchell and his son Mark R. Kitchell. We are grateful to the contributions of histories, stories and pictures from numerous 89th Infantry veterans and their families, and from the 89th Infantry Division Society


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Angela Merkel wrote:
A "conservative" wingnut blogger completely slanders the service of WW2 veterans.


They did the same thing to purple-heart recipients in 2004. This is nothing new for them.

2004 was different at least in that Kerry had questionable post-Vietnam behavior. I have a pretty dim view of the left's treatment of returning veterans, so I didn't twitch much when Kerry was swift-boated. This incident is just ridiculous. There is no acceptable reason to slander the service of WW2 veterans. They saved the fucking world, for crying out loud!

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Beeblebrox wrote:
Angela Merkel wrote:
A "conservative" wingnut blogger completely slanders the service of WW2 veterans.


They did the same thing to purple-heart recipients in 2004. This is nothing new for them.

2004 was different at least in that Kerry had questionable post-Vietnam behavior. I have a pretty dim view of the left's treatment of returning veterans, so I didn't twitch much when Kerry was swift-boated. This incident is just ridiculous. There is no acceptable reason to slander the service of WW2 veterans. They saved the fucking world, for crying out loud!

While I think the whole swift boat controversy is sick, I can understand your position. But how can you excuse the right-wing wingnuts for their mocking of all purple hearts everywhere? They were going around handing out purple band aids and calling them purple hearts at the RNC convention. That was inexcusable.

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2004 was different at least in that Kerry had questionable post-Vietnam behavior. I have a pretty dim view of the left's treatment of returning veterans, so I didn't twitch much when Kerry was swift-boated.


As jujubee points out, it wasn't just Kerry. They were mocking all wounded veterans.


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While I think the whole swift boat controversy is sick, I can understand your position. But how can you excuse the right-wing wingnuts for their mocking of all purple hearts everywhere? They were going around handing out purple band aids and calling them purple hearts at the RNC convention. That was inexcusable.

For some reason I don't remember that part. My mistake.

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