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Groucho
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 Re: It's over
loyalfromlondon wrote: As long as she continues to win states, I don't see a problem with her staying in. I see why others would have issue with that but yeah, I mean, its not like she didn't win IN. By much much less than expected, and in a race that is not "winner take all."
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Wed May 07, 2008 7:16 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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 Re: It's over
Groucho wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: As long as she continues to win states, I don't see a problem with her staying in. I see why others would have issue with that but yeah, I mean, its not like she didn't win IN. By much much less than expected, and in a race that is not "winner take all." Exactly, and it is over. She needed to win Indiana but at least 5 points and keep NC under 10 points. The Supers will start coming out in record numbers. There is only one way she could win this and that is steal it. If she did that though McCain would win in a landslide as she watched blacks not vote, Sharprton and Jackson protest her campaign and Ralph Nader getting 10% of the vote.
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Chippy
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Ok Hillary. Now go away forever. Please.
We've had MORE than enough of her nonsense to get us through MANY centuries.
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23386 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Cotton wrote: I heard that she might actually consider going for VP.
A rumour has it that she definitely does not want to go back to the Senate, as her future there is limited and her chances of winning Senate Majority leader are pretty slim. Apparantly a lot of Democratic Senators don't like her.
A VP position is probably her best shot at making her mark and could possibly give her more leverage if she wanted to run in 2012 or 2016. If she bows out now and McCain defeats Obama - she then has a good chance of winning in 2012. A VP role would mean she stays VP for a term or two unless something happens to Obama. I doubt she'll be up for running for president at age 68. But you never know.
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23386 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: Groucho wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: As long as she continues to win states, I don't see a problem with her staying in. I see why others would have issue with that but yeah, I mean, its not like she didn't win IN. By much much less than expected, and in a race that is not "winner take all." Exactly, and it is over. She needed to win Indiana but at least 5 points and keep NC under 10 points. The Supers will start coming out in record numbers. There is only one way she could win this and that is steal it. If she did that though McCain would win in a landslide as she watched blacks not vote, Sharprton and Jackson protest her campaign and Ralph Nader getting 10% of the vote. Yeah she should have won by more considering how bad a month Obama had. Looks like he is a lock for the nomination now - unless a scandal breaks out or the super delegates believe Clinton has a better chance against McCain.
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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 Re: It's over
You know what would make me cry tears of joy?
Hillary drops out. Obama becomes the nominee. Obama selects Hillary as his VP. Hillary accepts. The dream ticket commences.
I would...flip the hell out if that happened.
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Wed May 07, 2008 9:42 pm |
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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Libs wrote: You know what would make me cry tears of joy?
Hillary drops out. Obama becomes the nominee. Obama selects Hillary as his VP. Hillary accepts. The dream ticket commences.
I would...flip the hell out if that happened. Your dream ticket is seriously Obama with Hillary as VP? It's certainly a winnable ticket, but "dream"? That's a fairly low standard.
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Wed May 07, 2008 10:27 pm |
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Excel
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Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22214 Location: Places
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any ticket with obama as president nominee is my dream ticket 
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Wed May 07, 2008 10:28 pm |
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Caius
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Straight cash, homie wrote: any ticket with obama as president nominee is my dream ticket  I hope he loses, but it certainly wouldn't be a nightmare for me. There are worse people. For instance John Edwards.
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Wed May 07, 2008 10:31 pm |
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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KidRock69x wrote: Libs wrote: You know what would make me cry tears of joy?
Hillary drops out. Obama becomes the nominee. Obama selects Hillary as his VP. Hillary accepts. The dream ticket commences.
I would...flip the hell out if that happened. Your dream ticket is seriously Obama with Hillary as VP? It's certainly a winnable ticket, but "dream"? That's a fairly low standard. "Dream" ticket is the same thing as "winnable ticket" right now, in my eyes. You do not understand how badly I do not want another Republican president.
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Wed May 07, 2008 10:44 pm |
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jujubee
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Obama + one of several female choices that are not Hillary = my dream ticket. Well, not dream dream, but as close to dream as can currently come.
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Wed May 07, 2008 11:08 pm |
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Excel
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Libs wrote: You do not understand how badly I do not want another Republican president. for real....mccain would 
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Wed May 07, 2008 11:10 pm |
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Caius
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 Re: It's over
I think you guys are getting your hopes a bit high and are going to be let down if a Democrat wins this year. You really think they're going to change things that much? I'm not one of those "Democrats are the same as Republicans" hacks, but things won't change much. A slight shift more leftward from Bush, but not much.
As long as Antonin Scalia, and to a certain extent Anthony Kennedy, can survive Obama, I won't mind too much.
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Beeblebrox
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KidRock69x wrote: You really think they're going to change things that much? Given that you continue to support the now officially Worst President Ever, I can see why you'd hang on so desperately to your cynicism. In a way, it makes your continued support of the Worst President Ever not look so pathetic and lame. But will things change? I don't see Obama allowing torture, or illegal wire-tapping of American citizens, or the other extra-constitutional abuses that you've helped enable the past 8 years. I see less politicizing of science, more rights for gays, more fiscal responsibility, more rational foreign policy, etc, etc, etc. In other words, everything that Bush wasn't. If we get even a fraction of those changes, it will be a step in the right direction for this country. But in a way, you're right, that fixing the damage that Bush has wrought for eight years thanks to you and the few supporters he has left, won't happen overnight. But if anyone can do it, Obama can.
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Chippy
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Any ticket with Hillary on it should be thrown out.
What a waste of a vote that would be.
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Wed May 07, 2008 11:57 pm |
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A. G.
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The thing about Hillary as VP though is if elected, Obama is under no obligation to give her anything to do. He can just tell her to find a hobby for 4 years other than breaking ties in the Senate.
Whereas if she's not his vp, he'll have to negotiate with her often when he deals with congress.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:47 pm Posts: 3290 Location: Houston
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jujubee wrote: Obama + one of several female choices that are not Hillary = my dream ticket. Well, not dream dream, but as close to dream as can currently come. I wholeheartedly agree. A female VP like McCaskill or Sebelius would be wonderful. Hillary Clinton is a sad cause for women and feminism in general -- she's the worst woman politician around, like a woman version of Al Sharpton.
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Jim Halpert
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Obama needs to put a white male as his vp.
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Thu May 08, 2008 10:52 am |
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:47 pm Posts: 3290 Location: Houston
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Jim Halpert wrote: Obama needs to put a white male as his vp. Someone like Jim Webb? I wonder what would happen if Bloomberg is veep. Or William Fallon. 
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Jim Halpert
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Angela Merkel wrote: Jim Halpert wrote: Obama needs to put a white male as his vp. Someone like Jim Webb? I wonder what would happen if Bloomberg is veep. Or William Fallon.  i think bloomberg is too fed up with both parties that he doesn't want to be associated with either. I'm not really following the dems vp hunt since it doesn't really matter to me since i wont be voting dem.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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I'm more curious about the Rep veep hunt myself. McCain's VP choice is as critical as VP choices go, given his old age. As long as it's not a creep like Dick Cheney, who for some reason reminds me of comic-book villains.
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Groucho
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I don't usually quote George Will, but today's column is quite funny:
After Tuesday's split decisions in Indiana and North Carolina, Clinton, the Yankee Clipperette, can, and hence eventually will, creatively argue that she is really ahead of Barack Obama, or at any rate she is sort of tied, mathematically or morally or something, in popular votes, or delegates, or some combination of the two, as determined by Fermat's Last Theorem, or something, in states whose names begin with vowels, or maybe consonants, or perhaps some mixture of the two as determined by listening to a recording of the Beach Boys' "Help Me, Rhonda" played backward, or whatever other formula is most helpful to her, and counting the votes she received in Michigan, where hers was the only contending name on the ballot (her chief rivals, quaintly obeying their party's rules, boycotted the state, which had violated the party's rules for scheduling primaries), and counting the votes she received in Florida, which, like Michigan, was a scofflaw and where no one campaigned, and dividing Obama's delegate advantage in caucus states by pi multiplied by the square root of Yankee Stadium's ZIP code.
Or perhaps she wins if Obama's popular vote total is, well, adjusted by counting each African-American vote as only three-fifths of a vote. There is precedent, of sorts, for that arithmetic (see the Constitution, Article I, Section 2, before the 14th Amendment).
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jujubee
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Angela Merkel wrote: jujubee wrote: Obama + one of several female choices that are not Hillary = my dream ticket. Well, not dream dream, but as close to dream as can currently come. I wholeheartedly agree. A female VP like McCaskill or Sebelius would be wonderful. Hillary Clinton is a sad cause for women and feminism in general -- she's the worst woman politician around, like a woman version of Al Sharpton. Seriously. It really makes me sad that some women are all "She'll give hope to my daughters that a woman can be president!" Why can't we wait for a decent human being to do that?
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Jeff
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Groucho wrote: I don't usually quote George Will, but today's column is quite funny:
After Tuesday's split decisions in Indiana and North Carolina, Clinton, the Yankee Clipperette, can, and hence eventually will, creatively argue that she is really ahead of Barack Obama, or at any rate she is sort of tied, mathematically or morally or something, in popular votes, or delegates, or some combination of the two, as determined by Fermat's Last Theorem, or something, in states whose names begin with vowels, or maybe consonants, or perhaps some mixture of the two as determined by listening to a recording of the Beach Boys' "Help Me, Rhonda" played backward, or whatever other formula is most helpful to her, and counting the votes she received in Michigan, where hers was the only contending name on the ballot (her chief rivals, quaintly obeying their party's rules, boycotted the state, which had violated the party's rules for scheduling primaries), and counting the votes she received in Florida, which, like Michigan, was a scofflaw and where no one campaigned, and dividing Obama's delegate advantage in caucus states by pi multiplied by the square root of Yankee Stadium's ZIP code.
Or perhaps she wins if Obama's popular vote total is, well, adjusted by counting each African-American vote as only three-fifths of a vote. There is precedent, of sorts, for that arithmetic (see the Constitution, Article I, Section 2, before the 14th Amendment). That's pretty hilarious, and very accurate it seems too.
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Chris
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Groucho wrote: I don't usually quote George Will, but today's column is quite funny:
After Tuesday's split decisions in Indiana and North Carolina, Clinton, the Yankee Clipperette, can, and hence eventually will, creatively argue that she is really ahead of Barack Obama, or at any rate she is sort of tied, mathematically or morally or something, in popular votes, or delegates, or some combination of the two, as determined by Fermat's Last Theorem, or something, in states whose names begin with vowels, or maybe consonants, or perhaps some mixture of the two as determined by listening to a recording of the Beach Boys' "Help Me, Rhonda" played backward, or whatever other formula is most helpful to her, and counting the votes she received in Michigan, where hers was the only contending name on the ballot (her chief rivals, quaintly obeying their party's rules, boycotted the state, which had violated the party's rules for scheduling primaries), and counting the votes she received in Florida, which, like Michigan, was a scofflaw and where no one campaigned, and dividing Obama's delegate advantage in caucus states by pi multiplied by the square root of Yankee Stadium's ZIP code.
Or perhaps she wins if Obama's popular vote total is, well, adjusted by counting each African-American vote as only three-fifths of a vote. There is precedent, of sorts, for that arithmetic (see the Constitution, Article I, Section 2, before the 14th Amendment). Haha awesome.
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