Anyone see the stuff going on in London and in Paris?

Thats pretty hard already. We will see what comes next......and that would be San Francisco

boycott the olympics.

i thought the whole thing with the torch relay was that it was never to be extinguished. sad.

How many of these protesters don't support China by not buying inexpensive Chinese made goods?

I'd wager that it is a tiny percentage, because their principles would then actually cost them something, and since it hits China in the pocketbook where it counts, it might have a chance of creating real change.

Instead, they choose to protest the one symbolic event that has been designed to bring our disparate planet together in the celebration of our similarties and triumphs.

Their actions are not only hypocritical, they are tragic in there shortsightedness.

I applaud the protestors for bringing this to the forefront of the MSM which is trying it's best to ignore the overall issue.

I recall that poor PM Brown trying a pacifist approach suggesting that a boycott would be unhelpful to this issue. Grow some guts will you even though I know he hasn't any.

Hopefully the torch gets stolen at some point and hopefully during the games some athletes take action and wear Tibet flags or do some other action in protest.

There.

That's exactly what I was talking about.

Well I guess in the short run economic protest will also be there. Though I agree with you it will not be for long. And the economic thing would be the one thing that the Chinese Leaders really would piss off.

protests already started here. hippies climbing the golden gate - that doesn't surprise me.

i can usually see the bridge from my suite, but it's not quite clear enough today to see the (huge) banner. it's a good 6 miles from here, so only on those really crisp days can i see details from a distance.

My spin instructor so far has not bought one thing from China this year, it was her New Year's Resolution. I

Its damn hard, I admire her dedication.

Is she so sure about it? How does she know that her clothes werent colored with products from China? etc..etc....I guess its nearly impossible to live only one normal week without getting something in your fingers with nothing Chinese involved.

Buying products made from hard working chinese slave labor and opposing a repressive regime hardly makes a protester hypocritical. If they want to sacrifice buying "made in china" products it can be quite difficult to go out of ones way just to do that to make a statement that has no Effect whatsoever. Whereas by protesting in public and getting the medias attention one can draw more attention to the plight of Tibet. The only people with real power against chinese goods would be the companies that import the products and sell them.

i see.

so do it as long as its convenient. when its not, find a way to justify it for yourself.

On a side note:



I've gotten pissed in her house!

Good luck finding some product that doesn't have something made in China in it. I hate China but this is the world's fault for not being tough on them during the 80s after Tienanmen Square. When those people vanished like that the world should have boycotted them and stop buying their goods, perhaps things would have changed. Now everything you buy has something to do with China and they have a ton of nukes so you can't just do anything militarily either.

Well I was there waiting for the olympic torch in SF yesterday. It was a mad house but overall slightly peaceful. No way they were goin gto run the torch through the Embarcadaro though just too many people. It wasn't all protesters either there were many people there supporting China lots of Red Fags. Of all the cities in the US SF was the dumbest and smartest city to choose. Dumbest because we protest anything smartest because we have the highest percentage of chinese people in a city in the country.

By the way I do not care for Tibet it is a none issue for me.

ehmm...what do you exactly mean?

Btw does guys in blue....well they are Special Forces of the Chinese Military Police. ...
Saw a report about it yesterday.

It is more than Tibet for me China has committed mass murder on the scale of the old Soviet Empire. They are an Evil country. Supported somebody like them to is wrong.

Well I guess my daughter is evil. My Ex-wife well lets just say we agree. notation: My ex-wife is not my daughters mother

The government being evil does not mean the people there are evil. So trying to say he's calling your daughter evil is just silly.

Jujubee I was just joking. Anyways having been to China I can not say the goverment is EVIL. In fact there are a lot of things in China that the goverment does better including stuff like equal rights. That said I don't think anyone here can say they know that much about China. From what little I do know it is far more complicated than most things politically and the fact that the country is rapidly changing.

BTW I never pass up a chance to call my ex evil....

You dog...stop making me fall in love with you...

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Look all i know is what they have done in the past. Millions have vanished and died. People have no freedom to express their opinion or fear they will vanish with them. I would compare them to the Soviet Union. The people aren't evil just the government has done some very evil things.
Also to me Totalitarian states are evil.

What I don't understand are the pro-China protesters trumpeting the torch relay as always having been a symbol of international goodwill. They don't know that the torch relay was invented by Hitler as part of the Third Reich's coming-out party.