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PRINCETON, NJ -- A sizable proportion of Democrats would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination. This is particularly true for Hillary Clinton supporters, more than a quarter of whom currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.

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These conclusions are based on an analysis of Democratic voters' responses to separate voting questions in March 7-22 Gallup Poll Daily election tracking. In each day's survey, respondents are asked for their general election preferences in McCain-Clinton and McCain-Obama pairings. Democratic voters are then asked whom they support for their party's nomination.

The accompanying graph displays the results of the relationship between support for the Democratic Party's nomination and the general election vote between Obama and McCain.


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As would be expected, almost all Democratic voters who say they support Obama for their party's nomination also say they would vote for him in a general election matchup against McCain. But only 59% of Democratic voters who support Clinton say they would vote for Obama against McCain, while 28% say they would vote for the Republican McCain. This suggests that some Clinton supporters are so strongly opposed to Obama (or so loyal to Clinton) that they would go so far as to vote for the "other" party's candidate next November if Obama is the Democratic nominee.

The results follow the same pattern, but not to quite the same extent, when the relationship between Democratic support and a general election matchup between Clinton and McCain is examined.


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Here again, as expected, almost all of those who support Clinton for the Democratic Party's nomination say they would vote for her against McCain. Seventy-two percent of those who support Obama for the party's nomination would vote for Clinton against McCain, while 19% would desert and vote for the Republican.

Implications

The data suggest that the continuing and sometimes fractious Democratic nomination fight could have a negative impact for the Democratic Party in next November's election. A not insignificant percentage of both Obama and Clinton supporters currently say they would vote for McCain if he ends up running against the candidate they do not support.

Clinton supporters appear to be somewhat more reactive than Obama supporters. Twenty-eight percent of the former indicate that if Clinton is not the nominee -- and Obama is -- they would support McCain. That compares to 19% of Obama supporters who would support McCain if Obama is not the nominee -- and Clinton is.

It is unknown how many Democrats would actually carry through and vote for a Republican next fall if their preferred candidate does not become the Democratic nominee. The Democratic campaign is in the heat of battle at the moment, but by November, there will have been several months of attempts to build party unity around the eventual nominee -- and a focus on reasons why the Republican nominee needs to be defeated.

Additionally, some threat of deserting the party always takes place as party nomination battles are waged, and this threat can dissipate. For example, in answer to a recent Gallup question, 11% of Republicans said they would vote for the Democratic candidate or a third-party candidate next fall if McCain does not choose a vice president who is considerably more conservative than he is. (And another 9% said they just wouldn't vote.) These results suggest that it may be normal for some voters to claim early on in the process -- perhaps out of frustration -- that they will desert their party if certain things do not happen to their liking. And it may be equally likely that they fall back into line by the time of the general election. It is worth noting that in Gallup's historical final pre-election polls from 1992 to 2004, 10% or less of Republicans and Democrats typically vote for the other party's presidential candidate.

Still, when almost 3 out of 10 Clinton supporters say they would vote for McCain over Obama, it suggests that divisions are running deep within the Democratic Party. If the fight for the party's nomination were to continue until the Denver convention in late August, the Democratic Party could suffer some damage as it tries to regroup for the November general election
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So, Howard Dean and Co. should take note that we will leave the party if Hillary isn't the nominee!

(i'm joking of course.)


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When I read this, I think of two things.

1. The DNC or whoever is going to try their best to reach a deal with both of them for a dream ticket. What would happen if say, Gore endorsed BOTH of them? I read another article about how Obama and Clinton are attached now. Neither can win without the other in NOV.

2. Hillary really wants the White House. I see weaking Obama, and keeping her voters away from Obama is to help McCain win, so that she can run against McCain in 2012, which would be the last chance if she doesn't get the nomination this year. A divide and conquer thing.

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Sam wrote:
So, Howard Dean and Co. should take note that we will leave the party if Hillary isn't the nominee!

(i'm joking of course.)

Well Obama apparently still wins without you.


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Given that HIllary said McCain has all his years of experience and Obama made a speech in 2002, I am not surprised. That right there says if I lose, vote for McCain.

That said, the convention can make all the difference.


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They're divided now, but I bet when McCain talks about Iraq forever and the economy they'll go to the democratic nominee.


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I think I greater concern then them voting for McCain over Hillary/Obama is that they'll just stay home.

The convention can either bring the party together or make it worse, I never underestimate the Democrats ability to lose.


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Given that HIllary said McCain has all his years of experience and Obama made a speech in 2002, I am not surprised. That right there says if I lose, vote for McCain.

That said, the convention can make all the difference.

Well Given that Obama said that the "republican party has been and is the party of ideas." that right there says Obama voters should vote republican. Or in the real world it just means that we have an election going on and that democratic voters feel strongly about their candidates right now.

It doesn't matter much anyways I do believe the media is setting up for McCain in the general election.

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Given that HIllary said McCain has all his years of experience and Obama made a speech in 2002, I am not surprised. That right there says if I lose, vote for McCain.

That said, the convention can make all the difference.

Well Given that Obama said that the "republican party has been and is the party of ideas." that right there says Obama voters should vote republican. Or in the real world it just means that we have an election going on and that democratic voters feel strongly about their candidates right now.

It doesn't matter much anyways I do believe the media is setting up for McCain in the general election.



I have to agree with his statement in that the Democrats have been a mess since Gore lost in 2000, I think even though they went into this election with a clear margin of victory in their favor, they are marching themselves straight to defeat. The Republicans have been much better at at least presenting themselves to the public as a party of ideas.

I will be voting for the Democratic nominee come November, but McCain is gonna win. When the two Democratic candidates offer more compliments to their Repulblican opponent then each other, its not wonder McCain is ahead in the polls.

At one point at at debate HIllary said she hoped that Americans who vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, a month later she says Obama just made a speech. It just makes her original statement ring very hollow. She sounded like if she had the choice she rather be McCain VP then Obama.

Yes, in election thigns get nasy, but I think al this Dem infighting i s just helping to march McCain, because when it comes to election time the Republicans are better at this the Dems. The convention could turn things around, but I still recall Kerry's campaign, were 2 months before the general election he was nowhere to bef ound.

I may be voting Democratic in November, but I have so little faith in their ability to win.


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McCain talking about the war seems to be HELPING him. A recent polled showed that americans favorable opinion of the war hasnt been so high in way over 2 years or something. It's coming closer and closer to a 50/50 split, instead of the 70 (against)/30 (for) (65/35) that it has been for a very long time. And no one is linking him to the Bush Admin (Bush's 3rd term) according to the polls, which everyone thought they would. It's going to help him with the conservative voters, and everyone knows now that he will go with a conservative VP. He is panding too much to the right to suddenly change sides again. And it's working very, very well for him.

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they say it now, come november theyll be fine.

what that survey doesnt include is that half of bamas voters-young people n blacks-wont be voting period if he aint the nominee.

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Well Given that Obama said that the "republican party has been and is the party of ideas."


Fascinating! Obama thinks that? Wow!

It's a bit less fascinating when you see that he didn't say that.

Here's the whole quote: "I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10-15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."

He then went on to say that he disagreed with their ideas and thought they were harmful to the country.

But yeah, they were the party running things for quite some time and the democrats were just too timid to push their own ideas much (health care, for instance). He's right, and he was chastizing the democrats for reacting to Republican ideas instead of pushing their own.

But he never said the Republican ideas were good. Even the town idiot has ideas...

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Explain why theyd vote for him to be the presidential nominee but not actual president?

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Groucho wrote:
redspear wrote:
Well Given that Obama said that the "republican party has been and is the party of ideas."


Fascinating! Obama thinks that? Wow!

It's a bit less fascinating when you see that he didn't say that.

Here's the whole quote: "I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10-15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."

He then went on to say that he disagreed with their ideas and thought they were harmful to the country.

But yeah, they were the party running things for quite some time and the democrats were just too timid to push their own ideas much (health care, for instance). He's right, and he was chastizing the democrats for reacting to Republican ideas instead of pushing their own.

But he never said the Republican ideas were good. Even the town idiot has ideas...

I didn't say he thinks that I said he said that. You know the two are different and it wasn't a smear attempt but I was saying that both candidates have said things that could be seen as derogatory about their party. If you don't think his comments would or could come back at him later you are kidding yourself just like Hillary's could come back at her. I also did not say they were good ideas. but in that sound bite he doesn't say they are bad ideas.
I know he was talking about the republican revolution in the 90's led by Newt but the sound bite is something that is easy to manipulate. Groucho I am not anti Obama. i do have my issues and I stated them. I will still be voting for him without hesitation even if I prefer Hillary.

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I tell you McCain has this wierd felling about him.

You know he is a republican but you see him as tough, experienced and a maverick.

I see his chances of being president at 45-55 now...

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Straight cash, homie wrote:
Explain why theyd vote for him to be the presidential nominee but not actual president?

If Hillary is the nominee, of course. Black turnout will be at the highest level in modern memory otherwise. Enough to, say, turn Virginia and Texas blue.

McCain is a candidate with many positives, but these factors need to be taken into account:

1. Fundraising. How much he improves in March upon February will be critical.

2. George Bush. Most people do not like that guy, and McCain has to step gingerly to avoid being painted into the Bush corner further than he already is.

3. Organization. McCain has less experience at the ground level and has not established extensive statewide efforts in most states.

4. Latino voters. On the whole, they are not fond of Republicans right now. They voted over 70% Democratic in 2006. McCain's chances depend on how much he can buck that trend. Current general election polls show Obama leading McCain among Latinos at anywhere from a 60-40 to 80-20 margin, depending on the state. They are statistically tied here in Texas. Contrary to Clintonian logic regarding Ohio, losing Ohio is fine and dandy if we win Texas. Remember, Texas is a majority-minority state with 48% white people. Obama wins the state given 95-5 blacks, 65-35 Latinos, and 35-65 whites; given a 15-25-60 breakdown of ethnicities.

5. Health. McCain is doomed if he faces any health troubles, even a severe cold. That is the risk of running at age 72.

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A new CNN poll shows that 16% of Clinton supporters and Obama supporters wouldn't vote at all this NOV if their candidate doesn't win the nomination. And a similar poll finds that almost 20% of supporters for both Clinton and Obama would sit out this NOV.

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Ericka wrote:
A new CNN poll shows that 16% of Clinton supporters and Obama supporters wouldn't vote at all this NOV if their candidate doesn't win the nomination. And a similar poll finds that almost 20% of supporters for both Clinton and Obama would sit out this NOV.


I still say 8 months from now, most of them will end up voting anyway. Staying at home and pouting would give you McCain, and most Democrats don't want that.

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