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 Pennsylvania, Here We Come 
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Well, I knew PA would be a place of contention, but it's a big state...

Yet I just dicovered that Bill Clinton will be speaking at the High School a few blocks from my house tomorrow... that's where I go to vote. And this is a fairly small town...

I hope Obama decides to come to town too!


Bill recently explained what he does on the campaign trail. Or at least what he wanted to say he does. He said he goes around small rural areas while Hillary campaigns in the urban areas. So speaking at the high school near you seems to match up with what he has said.

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Well, it's smart. This area has turned from a Republican stronghold ten years ago when I moved here to a predominent Democratic area. We dems have won some local races, too, and our area went for Kerry while many rural areas of PA didn't. (Mostly it's people from NY and NJ moving out here, since we're still within commuting distance of NYC)

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Well, it's smart. This area has turned from a Republican stronghold ten years ago when I moved here to a predominent Democratic area. We dems have won some local races, too, and our area went for Kerry while many rural areas of PA didn't. (Mostly it's people from NY and NJ moving out here, since we're still within commuting distance of NYC)

NYC? From Stroudsburg? Those people are mad. I thought Riverhead, Long Island was bad enough, and they have LIRR there. Those commuters must suffer endemic constipation.

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Well, it's smart. This area has turned from a Republican stronghold ten years ago when I moved here to a predominent Democratic area. We dems have won some local races, too, and our area went for Kerry while many rural areas of PA didn't. (Mostly it's people from NY and NJ moving out here, since we're still within commuting distance of NYC)

NYC? From Stroudsburg? Those people are mad. I thought Riverhead, Long Island was bad enough, and they have LIRR there. Those commuters must suffer endemic constipation.


I agree. It's madness, isn't it? Yet people do it. It's about 80 miles to Times Square, and people even farther away are commuting. I'd never do it.

They're expanding the trains from NJ out to here, so when that happens, we'll probably turn even more into the farthest NYC suburb...

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You'd definitely give New Haven, CT a run for the money. Is the new commuter line going all the way to Scranton? Madness indeed. I met this guy that drove from Milwaukee to Chicago.

It's ironic that urban sprawl is creating a network of rail lines more reminiscent of old-fashioned interurban rail.

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Is the new commuter line going all the way to Scranton?


Yes. However, the caveat is that they have been working on this for years (getting the rights to the tracks back, getting money to fix the bridges, etc.) and there is no definite finish date yet.

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Yet I just dicovered that Bill Clinton will be speaking at the High School a few blocks from my house tomorrow... that's where I go to vote. And this is a fairly small town...


Cool! Are you going to go?


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Groucho wrote:
Yet I just dicovered that Bill Clinton will be speaking at the High School a few blocks from my house tomorrow... that's where I go to vote. And this is a fairly small town...


Cool! Are you going to go?


Nah... my wife is still at home recovering from her hospitalization, and I hate crowds... besides, they would probably make me sign some sort of Hillary loyalty oath to get in.

I came home from work early today to take care of her and already there are police cars all over the place...

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besides, they would probably make me sign some sort of Hillary loyalty oath to get in.



And after you sign the loyalty oath, instead of the sound of thunder, you hear cackling in the background.

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Groucho wrote:
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Groucho wrote:
Yet I just dicovered that Bill Clinton will be speaking at the High School a few blocks from my house tomorrow... that's where I go to vote. And this is a fairly small town...


Cool! Are you going to go?


Nah... my wife is still at home recovering from her hospitalization, and I hate crowds... besides, they would probably make me sign some sort of Hillary loyalty oath to get in.

I came home from work early today to take care of her and already there are police cars all over the place...

Just for a laugh, you should totally make an assassination attempt.


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Groucho wrote:
Cotton wrote:
Groucho wrote:
Yet I just dicovered that Bill Clinton will be speaking at the High School a few blocks from my house tomorrow... that's where I go to vote. And this is a fairly small town...


Cool! Are you going to go?


Nah... my wife is still at home recovering from her hospitalization, and I hate crowds... besides, they would probably make me sign some sort of Hillary loyalty oath to get in.

I came home from work early today to take care of her and already there are police cars all over the place...

Just for a laugh, you should totally make an assassination attempt.


Ah, too late... I read this the next day!

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Thursday, March 20

Democratic Presidential Nomination Gallup Tracking Obama 43, Clinton 48 Clinton +5
Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Tracking Obama 46, Clinton 43 Obama +3
Democratic Presidential Nomination CBS News Obama 46, Clinton 43 Obama +3

General Election: McCain vs. Clinton CBS News Clinton 46, McCain 44, Und 6 Clinton +2
General Election: McCain vs. Obama CBS News Obama 48, McCain 43, Und 6 Obama +5

Ohio: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 50, Obama 43, Und 7 McCain +7
Ohio: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 44, Clinton 50, Und 6 Clinton +6

Kentucky: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 53, Clinton 43, Und 4 McCain +10
Kentucky: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 64, Obama 28, Und 8 McCain +36

Missouri: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 53, Obama 39, Und 9 McCain +14
Missouri: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 48, Clinton 46, Und 6 McCain +2

California: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 40, Obama 54, Und 6 Obama +14
California: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 38, Clinton 56, Und 6 Clinton +18

Massachusetts: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 42, Clinton 55, Und 3 Clinton +13
Massachusetts: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 47, Obama 47, Und 6 Tie

Minnesota: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 46, Clinton 49, Und 5 Clinton +3
Minnesota: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 47, Obama 46, Und 7 McCain +1

Wisconsin: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 45, Clinton 46, Und 9 Clinton +1
Wisconsin: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 44, Obama 48, Und 8 Obama +4

West Virginia Democratic Primary Rasmussen Clinton 55, Obama 27 Clinton +28

Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Franklin & Marshall Clinton 51, Obama 35 Clinton +16


Many, many new polls.




Also, Rep. John Murtha of PA endorsed Hillary Clinton today. When I saw this on the news today it took me by surprise because I was expecting him to endorse Obama out in PA.

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And the back-and-forth continues. SurveyUSA now has Clinton leading PA by 10% and Rasmussen shows an even smaller margin at 5%. Obama continues to lead the Gallup national poll by a small margin, while Rasmussen has them statistically tied.

Also PA Democrats registered in record number, with most of the new registrations and changes coming in on the last day; that should favor Obama, as it indicates a strong effort by his camp to get people registered to counter it being a Dem-only primary.

In addition, Obama has increased his lead in NC to double digit. If he could win by a bigger margin in NC than Clinton does in PA, that'll be surely considered a victory for him, and Indiana may not even be all that important.

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Yup, polls really favoring the o-man right now.

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IT HAPPENED!

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... 040208.pdf

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That's an outlier.

In any case, remember: go bowling with Bob Casey and drink Yuengling.

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Al Gore would be a great Secretary of Energy or head of the EPA. Vice President is unlikely... trust me.

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I think all this talk of bailing out people who fucked up their mortgage is absolutely ludicrous. Since when did this become the governments job?

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I think all this talk of bailing out people who fucked up their mortgage is absolutely ludicrous. Since when did this become the governments job?



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I think all this talk of bailing out people who fucked up their mortgage is absolutely ludicrous. Since when did this become the governments job?


Since it's become a widespread problem that only seems to be growing by the day? There are a lot of people who don't know how to manage their finances, but I think the evidence points to the fact that this is becoming a big social problem that requires policy solutions.


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I think all this talk of bailing out people who fucked up their mortgage is absolutely ludicrous. Since when did this become the governments job?

I agree with you in theory -- I'm a fiscal conservative by principle. However, the fallout of such a crisis can be extremely messy. A completely laissez-faire approach would risk being too much like Herbert Hoover.

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So it becomes the governments responsibility to bail out people who can't manage their own money? What about the guy who works just as hard, but buys a smaller house he can afford? We're going to help out the idiot, but leave the responsible guy high and dry?

Again I ask, why in the hell is this the governement's responsibility?

And Cotton, people not knowing how to manage their finances does not mean that the government has to come in, save those people, and essentially give them more money to blow. Stupid remains stupid, just with more money.

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I think all this talk of bailing out people who fucked up their mortgage is absolutely ludicrous. Since when did this become the governments job?


Why aren't you complaining about the government bailing out the mortgage companies, too?

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So it becomes the governments responsibility to bail out people who can't manage their own money? What about the guy who works just as hard, but buys a smaller house he can afford? We're going to help out the idiot, but leave the responsible guy high and dry?

Again I ask, why in the hell is this the governement's responsibility?

And Cotton, people not knowing how to manage their finances does not mean that the government has to come in, save those people, and essentially give them more money to blow. Stupid remains stupid, just with more money.


THat's not my point (perharps I should have phrased it better)

If there's a trend that indicates that people are generally worse off now then they were before (whether it be with their mortgage payments, etc), then there are probably other factors that come into effect. I don't think this is something that can be entirely narrowed down to individual lazyness/incompetence.


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