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Chippy
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 Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Some people's threads are better than others. That is why mine don't get locked...  _________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Krem
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Korrgan wrote: Oh cool, there's a little switch they can flip so mods can pick and choose when they're a mod and a normal user that can be catty to people and show no respect! I didn't know that. I thought you're either a mod or you're not a mod. Not a mod some of the time. Learn something new all the time. As an admin I am supposed to look out for the general well-being of the forum, etc. That doesn't mean that occasionally I don't get into a heated argument with someone. I am a poster here too, just like you, Corpse and jujubee are. Now, it's important to understand that I can't use my power as an admin to influence my argument. If a mod is doing that, please address it with an admin.
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bABA
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Korrgan wrote: Oh cool, there's a little switch they can flip so mods can pick and choose when they're a mod and a normal user that can be catty to people and show no respect! I didn't know that. I thought you're either a mod or you're not a mod. Not a mod some of the time. Learn something new all the time. ummm yes. its call wearing 2 hats. admins on this board are not continously wearing an admin hat. mods here are not continously wearing a mod hat. i'm sure in real life, you're not walking around playing a single role you're meant to, whether thats being a teenager, or a girl, or an american or what not.
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Eagle
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Korrgan wrote: Oh cool, there's a little switch they can flip so mods can pick and choose when they're a mod and a normal user that can be catty to people and show no respect! I didn't know that. I thought you're either a mod or you're not a mod. Not a mod some of the time. Learn something new all the time. Does this really help anyone? I mean, look, I would love to help resolve whatever issues you have, but how does mocking the mods and admins help anything? Yes, when we bring on new mods, one of the things we tell them is that we want them to continue being a regular user. We don't want them to lose the fun they were having previously, and have surfing the board become a mundane job. That's not what we want. Mods have opinions, likes, dislikes, arguments, etc. We want them to have and express their own opinion. Is it OK for a regular user to dislike someone, and express that within reason as you have with JuJu, but when you become a mod, you have to like everyone? I don't agree with that. I think all mods should strive to show posters respect at all times. I think that JuJu would probably agree, there were times when she didn't do that toward you, but guess what, no one is perfect, and you certainly weren't the nicest of posters yourself. _________________
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Maverikk
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints I am being made to feel like jujubee does not like me or isn't interested in giving me a fair shake, as well. I just want to say that I'm not against you and for them. That's how I'm treated, like I'm the enemy.  I just want everyone to get alomg, I have nothing against you. I don't think it's being responsible as a mod to use the ignore button, though. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. That's my opinion, anyway, not a personal attack.
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bABA
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Krem wrote: To summarize, these are the complaints I've heard aboud mod/admins actions:
1. Inconsistency in locking threads. This is most likely an issue because not everyone is online at the same time. PM an admin if you feel a thread has been unjustly locked or should be locked and has not been.
2. Mods can ignore regular posters, but regular posters can't ignore mods. That's a feature of the board, not something we can change. In general mods shouldn't ignore regular posters; admins never do it.
3. Mods abusing their powers. Please address this with an admin. in the simplest manner possible, krem has provided the one answer that the admins and mods here have been providing you all with. it can't possibly get any clearer than this. so if you continue to ask the same questions repeatedly, i'm going to keep bumping this back up as an answer.
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Krem
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Lord Maverikk wrote: I am being made to feel like jujubee does not like me or isn't interested in giving me a fair shake, as well. I just want to say that I'm not against you and for them. That's how I'm treated, like I'm the enemy. I just want everyone to get alomg, I have nothing against you. I don't think it's being responsible as a mod to use the ignore button, though. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. That's my opinion, anyway, not a personal attack. How is this related to the issue at hand? So, jujubee doesn't like you. PM her, send her flowers, write a song, or something.
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Mister Ecks
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Korrgan wrote: Oh cool, there's a little switch they can flip so mods can pick and choose when they're a mod and a normal user that can be catty to people and show no respect! I didn't know that. I thought you're either a mod or you're not a mod. Not a mod some of the time. Learn something new all the time.
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Chippy
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints To get respect you should earn it.
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bABA
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Lord Maverikk wrote: I am being made to feel like jujubee does not like me or isn't interested in giving me a fair shake, as well. I just want to say that I'm not against you and for them. That's how I'm treated, like I'm the enemy. I just want everyone to get alomg, I have nothing against you. I don't think it's being responsible as a mod to use the ignore button, though. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. That's my opinion, anyway, not a personal attack. i personally do not see how this thread in any shape or form has anything to do with you in any manner. your name has not been brought up at all so your feeling that jujubee does not like you has no real basis. this is not meant to be an attack against you. i may be using the wrong phrasing here. my point here is that in my opinion, nothing said here, or otherwise has ever implied jujubee having any issues with you whatsoever on a personal basis or you in general as a poster.
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Krem wrote: To summarize, these are the complaints I've heard aboud mod/admins actions:
1. Inconsistency in locking threads. This is most likely an issue because not everyone is online at the same time. PM an admin if you feel a thread has been unjustly locked or should be locked and has not been.
2. Mods can ignore regular posters, but regular posters can't ignore mods. That's a feature of the board, not something we can change. In general mods shouldn't ignore regular posters; admins never do it.
3. Mods abusing their powers. Please address this with an admin. You're wonderful. Honestly. _________________In order of preference: Christian, Argos MadGez wrote: Briefs. Am used to them and boxers can get me in trouble it seems. Too much room and maybe the silkiness have created more than one awkward situation. My Box-Office Blog: http://boxofficetracker.blogspot.com/
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Korrgan
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints I think any one with any power should be respectful to all the users all of the time. It's something everyone should follow really, certainly something I'm not doing now, but I think mods and admins should never do what juju did.Lord Maverikk wrote: I am being made to feel like jujubee does not like me or isn't interested in giving me a fair shake, as well. I just want to say that I'm not against you and for them. That's how I'm treated, like I'm the enemy.
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bABA
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Munk·E wrote: To get respect you should earn it. you know ... you got shit loads of .. well ... shit from people .... no one realizes the genius that you are.
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bABA
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Korrgan wrote:
That's the whole problem. She feels cold and out to get you in some way.
thats a personal problem between the 2 of you. that in no way, implies her decision making capabilities when she does something on the forum. she may have argued with you, been a bitch to you but has not stopped you from arguing or discussing anything back or warned you or banned you for your opinion.
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Eagle
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Mr. X wrote: Korrgan wrote: Oh cool, there's a little switch they can flip so mods can pick and choose when they're a mod and a normal user that can be catty to people and show no respect! I didn't know that. I thought you're either a mod or you're not a mod. Not a mod some of the time. Learn something new all the time. Again, we're not perfect. We're just like you. I want all the mods and admins to strive to show respect to everyone, even when they don't deserver it, but it's not always the case. Sometimes frustration gets the best of us, and I'm sure that's what happened to jujubee. That said, nothing she said was so out there or offensive that we should have an entire thread dedicated to it. I mean, really? We've had so much worse, even from other mods / admins. _________________
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Corpse
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Eagle wrote: Mr. X wrote: Krem wrote: Mr. X wrote: To add to this, one of my issues with jujubee stems from an ongoing argument with Corpse a few weeks ago. Corpse gave a pretty big reply to what was being said, and jujubee's reply was "Wow, did you even read what you just wrote?  " I feel that was horribly condescending for a mod to say that to someone, simply because they didn't agree. Was jujubee saying that as a mod or as a forum user? He means: Mods are posters too, posters who occasionally put on their Mod hat and do some Mod duties. He was asking if she had her Mod hat on and was talking for the forum, or speaking just for herself. _________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.”
“We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.”
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Eagle wrote: Mr. X wrote: Krem wrote: Mr. X wrote: To add to this, one of my issues with jujubee stems from an ongoing argument with Corpse a few weeks ago. Corpse gave a pretty big reply to what was being said, and jujubee's reply was "Wow, did you even read what you just wrote? " I feel that was horribly condescending for a mod to say that to someone, simply because they didn't agree. Was jujubee saying that as a mod or as a forum user? He means: Mods are posters too, posters who occasionally put on their Mod hat and do some Mod duties. He was asking if she had her Mod hat on and was talking for the forum, or speaking just for herself. _________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.”
“We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.”
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
“You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.”
"Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Maverikk
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints bABA wrote: i do not disagree. i personally feel this entire thing is a petty issue. i however have an issue with all of this being just a certain's mod's fault when the admin/mod team has clearly come out and said that we do not claim to make the right decisions every single time.
look, i don't even understand why this whole issue is continuing. the jew comments were passed, after which jujubee made a very simple statement that 'she does not appreciate the jewish remarks'.
such comments have been made before after whcih no one cared. jujubee never pursued this yet others continued to adopt an overly negative attitude towards her. this attitude is not me saying "hey juju, why did you do this' or can you clarify 'why you did this while here, you didn't'.
jujubee, outside of threads where people clearly asked to be judged has made decisions, popular or unpopular. those who have an issue with her and have been vocal about it have continously made attacks towards her even when she has not volunteered for these attacks. THIS is my central issue with this entire thing. I know for a fact that Ericka wants to make this all right, and Korrgan is not somebody that has ever been known to be involved in major drama, and she says she wants to make it right. My question is, what's holding that up?
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Eagle
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Munk·E wrote: To get respect you should earn it. I couldn't disagree more. I always try and show others respect, even when they least deserve it. I stumble sometimes, but I always try. _________________
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Krem
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Korrgan wrote: I think any one with any power should be respectful to all the users all of the time. It's something everyone should follow really, certainly something I'm not doing now, but I think mods and admins should never do what juju did.
Agreed on the point about being respectful. Let's try to keep it this way.
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Korrgan
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Eagle wrote: Mr. X wrote: Korrgan wrote: Oh cool, there's a little switch they can flip so mods can pick and choose when they're a mod and a normal user that can be catty to people and show no respect! I didn't know that. I thought you're either a mod or you're not a mod. Not a mod some of the time. Learn something new all the time. Again, we're not perfect. We're just like you. I want all the mods and admins to strive to show respect to everyone, even when they don't deserver it, but it's not always the case. Sometimes frustration gets the best of us, and I'm sure that's what happened to jujubee. That said, nothing she said was so out there or offensive that we should have an entire thread dedicated to it. I mean, really? We've had so much worse, even from other mods / admins. _________________
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Krem
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Apostle Ericka wrote: That can lead to some serious problems though. How do we know a mod/admin are wearing their hat or not when they make certain posts? They don't need anyone to back them up. You guys can very easily say you didn't have your hat on that night, or for that minute. How do we know this stuff? That's the main problem here I think. Users don't know enough of how things work. The rules don't include this stuff. They touch on how everyone can be offended in different ways, and no one can say if that reason is valid or not, etc. But that's it. Shouldn't the posters know this? And shouldn't the mods/admins be the ones to keep such things to a minimum instead of joining in on matters where they can take off their hats? That's certainly not what I meant when I brought up the point about wearing two hats. The point is that mods are expected to be like any other poster; however they are also expected not to bring personal feelings when it comes to their mod duties.
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Mister Ecks
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints To elaborate on two issues:
-I don't think mods should be allowed to ignore users. I also think the admins' take on this should be open to discussion. Mods should view every post and thread that they can. No, I know they're not God and can't read every thread and post in the entire forum, but they also shouldn't be able to pick and choose which posts/threads they read when they ignore a user.
-I don't think mods or admins should be able to play mod/admin some of the time and normal user other times. I understand issues arise. But if you can't handle them like a mod or an admin, you shouldn't be a mod or an admin. At the very least, this should apply to mods.
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Maverikk
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints bABA wrote: i personally do not see how this thread in any shape or form has anything to do with you in any manner. your name has not been brought up at all so your feeling that jujubee does not like you has no real basis. this is not meant to be an attack against you. i may be using the wrong phrasing here. my point here is that in my opinion, nothing said here, or otherwise has ever implied jujubee having any issues with you whatsoever on a personal basis or you in general as a poster. I was actually talking about jujubee. I can only speak from my own experiences, and whatever I said hit a point with Korrgan, so maybe there's a disconnect there for whatever reason. I have no idea why she doesn't like me, but if that's not personal, just a pattern of behavior, maybe there's an issue that shouldn't be swept under the rug.
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Eagle
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Re: My Mod/Admin Complaints Korrgan, asking mods and admins to show eveyrone respect 100% of the time is a simple impossibility. Mods are not Jesus, and some people make it very hard to show them respect.
In the mod forum, there is a mod faq which does ask that mods attempt to show respect, even to those who don't deserve it. It's a general principle that should be applied.
That said, nothing jujubee said to you was out of line. Nothing she said to you would have earned her a warning if she was a regular user. Nothing she said to you was as awful as you are making it out to be. I would love if in the future she showed everyone respect, including you.
I don't want mods who are heavy handed, think they are better than regular posters, or anything similar. I don't believe that describes jujubee at all or she would not be a mod. Show her respect, which you have not done in the slightest, and maybe she will show you some in return.
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