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Beeblebrox
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 Re: March 4th Championships
Chris wrote: If she can win in Ohio and Texas, along with Vermont and Rhode Island, that will give her momentum going into PA, which is more than a month after that. Granted, Obama seems to increase his base the more people get to know him and his views, so who knows. So Hillary is forced to adopt that Giuliani strategy - think ahead to March 4 and forget about these other states, even though the delegate count in Ohio and Texas isn't really that much (less than the contests she lost this past week). Meanwhile, Obama is sweeping her and gaining tremendous amounts of momentum that is going to make it harder and harder for her to catch up. Even if she wins Ohio AND Texas, it won't be by much. In fact, she could win and still lose the delegate counts in those states - meaning that she will have to win decisively, which is unlikely.
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Dkmuto
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McCain's speech delivery system hasn't caught on to the whole "push a bunch of diverse kids behind you to at least make it seem like your base isn't all old white people" thing.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:13 pm |
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Chris
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Beeblebrox wrote: Chris wrote: If she can win in Ohio and Texas, along with Vermont and Rhode Island, that will give her momentum going into PA, which is more than a month after that. Granted, Obama seems to increase his base the more people get to know him and his views, so who knows. So Hillary is forced to adopt that Giuliani strategy - think ahead to March 4 and forget about these other states, even though the delegate count in Ohio and Texas isn't really that much (less than the contests she lost this past week). Meanwhile, Obama is sweeping her and gaining tremendous amounts of momentum that is going to make it harder and harder for her to catch up. Even if she wins Ohio AND Texas, it won't be by much. In fact, she could win and still lose the delegate counts in those states - meaning that she will have to win decisively, which is unlikely. I'm not saying it'll work. Who knows, it might end up hurting her. She still has a chance of catching up with delegates, though.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:21 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Dkmuto wrote: McCain's speech delivery system hasn't caught on to the whole "push a bunch of diverse kids behind you to at least make it seem like your base isn't all old white people" thing. Considering his base, he'd probably have to use cardboard cut-outs of non-white kids to put behind him.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:23 pm |
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Eagle
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But unlike Rudy, Hillary still has a ton of delegates, a huge name, and I don't think is counted out the way Rudy was.
Rudy never got INTO the race, that isn't the case with Hillary. She's not going anywhere. She will win in Ohio and Texas, and should have a good chance in the others.
I still think this is a 50-50 shot.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:26 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Eagle wrote: But unlike Rudy, Hillary still has a ton of delegates, a huge name, and I don't think is counted out the way Rudy was. Before the Iowa caucus, Rudy was all but the media front-runner. You don't get a bigger name than his and it was actually McCain that was counted out. Rudy ignored the small states in one of the most bone-headed campaigns imaginable. As for delegates, going into the past weekend, Obama and Hillary were more or less in a dead heat, which is about the worst place you can be to ignore the small races. The analogy isn't perfect or anything, but looking too far ahead and allowing your opponent to gain momentum seems like a strategy of doom.
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Excel
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Obama won the latino vote in the Patomic and it looks like more are jumping ship Quote: By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent 7 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama easily won Democratic primaries Virginia and Maryland on Tuesday and reached out for another in the District of Columbia in a determined drive to erase Hillary Rodham Clinton's delegate lead in the party's presidential race. Obama's triumphs made it seven straight over Clinton, the former first lady, now struggling in a race she once commanded.
His Virginia victory left him a scant 10 delegates short of his rival, with 132 left to allocate for the night.
Her deputy campaign manager resigned, the second high-level Clinton departure in as many days.
The Illinois senator was gaining more than 60 percent of the Virginia vote, and Clinton, senator from New York, less than 40 percent.
The Associated Press made its call in the Maryland race based on surveys of voters as they left the polls.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:36 pm |
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nghtvsn
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Again, Obama doesn't have to win TX, OH or PA to win the nomination now. He only needs to be close and split delegates. Clinton needs to face facts and go back to the Senate and ponder this for eternity.
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Eagle
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nghtvsn wrote: Again, Obama doesn't have to win TX, OH or PA to win the nomination now. He only needs to be close and split delegates. Clinton needs to face facts and go back to the Senate and ponder this for eternity. He really needs one. If Hillary Sweeps TX, OH and PA, Obama is in trouble.
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Excel
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He doesn't. Assuming he doesnt get killed, than at worst, niether would win the 2200 delegates. If he wins or its close, hell get it.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:53 am |
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Re-sign Randy! wrote: He doesn't. Assuming he doesnt get killed, than at worst, niether would win the 2200 delegates. If he wins or its close, hell get it. Well, Pennsylvania is so far from now that it is for practical purposes irrelevant. What it boils down to is Texas and Ohio. The gap in Ohio can be closed once he campaigns there. I don't see Ohioans harboring an inordinate amount of inertia. Whether he actually wins is another matter. He is already tied with Clinton among white men; her lead in Ohio is entirely from a 25-30 point lead among white women. Texas of course has its unusual primary/caucus hybrid, and Obama will have a better organization than Clinton there.
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Excel
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do you work for his campaign? you seem to know a lot about it.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Re-sign Randy! wrote: do you work for his campaign? you seem to know a lot about it. No, I do not work with the campaign. I have volunteered some time, but all of this information came from news, blogs, polls, and other non-campaign sources. For that matter, I have never found out anything from campaign staffers... they keep everybody in the dark, sometimes even themselves.  As for organizational strength, that's just a matter of observation. He has had some killer organizations in states he campaigned heavily in.
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makeshift
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Beeblebrox wrote: Dkmuto wrote: McCain's speech delivery system hasn't caught on to the whole "push a bunch of diverse kids behind you to at least make it seem like your base isn't all old white people" thing. Considering his base, he'd probably have to use cardboard cut-outs of non-white kids to put behind him. Pretty sure the combined age of people standing behind him tonight was 1047. I like how the guy on his right kept wiping the profuse amount of sweet off his brow.
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Christian
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Re-sign Randy! wrote: Obama won the latino vote in the Patomic and it looks like more are jumping ship
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xiayun
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Quote: No matter how one slices the election results from last night, there's no denying that Obama is the statistical front-runner. He's got a 100-plus pledged delegate lead and even has the lead if you factor in superdelegates. Here's our math: The NBC News election unit hard count stands at 1078 to 969. If you factor in the unallocated pledged delegates, our estimate rises to approximately 1128 to 1009 in Obama's favor (margin of error +/- 5 delegates). Toss in the superdelegates and Obama's lead is 1306 to 1270 (again +/- 5 delegates). What does this mean? For Clinton to overtake Obama for the pledged delegate lead -- which we think is the single most important statistic for the superdelegates to decide their vote -- she'll have to win 55% of the remaining delegates. Assuming next week goes Obama's way in Wisconsin and Hawaii, that percentage rises to 57%. Toss in likely Obama victories in Vermont, Wyoming, Mississippi, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota, then Clinton's percentage need tops 60% of the remaining delegates available. And this is simply for her to regain the pledged delegate lead…
*** Staying on the statistical front: Check out these cumulative vote totals for primaries and caucuses to date: States Awarding Delegates Total Vote % Obama 9,373,334 50% Clinton 8,674,779 46% Others 726,095 4%
With Florida Total Vote % Obama 9,942,375 49% Clinton 9,531,987 46% Others 984,236 4%
With Florida and Michigan Total Vote % Obama 9,942,375 47% Clinton 9,860,138 47% Others 1,249,922 6%
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ ... 61146.aspxIt's pretty interesting that Obama now leads in popular votes even if he doesn't get any "uncommitted" vote from Michigan credited to him.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Obama has jumped ahead in national polls for the first time ever. Tomorrow we shall see if this is a statistical freak or part of a longer trend. If it is a trend, Clinton is at serious risk of pulling a Giuliani. Three weeks is a very long time; that is exactly how long it took for Giuliani to implode. Edit: Ruh-oh, Gallup is reporting the same trend. Obama has gained a lead for the first time there as well.
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Corpse
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While not happening on March 4th, I'll post the Wisonsin poll here anyway:REPSMcCain 45, Huckabee 27, Paul 7 DEMSObama 45, Clinton 41 I'd ignore the Huckabee number since his voters are turning out much more than McCain's, who doesn't really have any core voting groups.
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Excel
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thats with democrats only; with independents and obamacans itll be ever bigger the associated press is saying obama had opened up a 55 delegate lead on hillary, 1,275 to 1,220. With a combined 87 delegates up for grabs next week, he could lead by nearly 75 heading into march 4th.
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Rod
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http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote ... 404&page=1Not saying an Edwards endorsement will actually happen for Clinton, but it does show how ridiculous the idea that Edwards, if he were to endorse anyone, would automatically for Obama is.
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Rod
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In other news, and not that it matters, but Romney will be endorsing McCain. Am I the only one who finds that hilarious? 
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Dkmuto
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Obama scores two big union endorsements."The Service Employees International Union, widely seen as the nation’s most politically potent union, is likely to endorse Senate Barack Obama on Thursday evening, a top union official said. ... The S.E.I.U. has been growing rapidly in Texas, having organized 5,300 janitors in Houston over the past two years."
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Corpse
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Wisconsin - Rasmussen: Obama 47, Clinton 43 Ohio Polls:Rasmussen: Clinton 51, Obama 37 Quinnipac: Clinton 55, Obama 34 PA Poll:Quinnipac: Clinton 52, Obama 36
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Mr. Reynolds
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Excel
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They probably are, the numbers just wont hold until march 4th,
fact is, people say she has to win all 3 but its really more than that. They cant close. She can win all 3, but if shes still down in the popular vote, and if shes still down in pledged delegates, and shes gaurenteed to still be down in the state total....the super delegates will have to go obama.
For example, if she only gets 51% of the vote in Ohio like the poll says, Barrack would be probably within 5-6% points of her, which means despite the win, it would makeany sort of signifigant different in the vote or delegate total nationally.
if they dont, the democratic party would be a laughing stock, and the super delegates know it. To say she has an uphill battle is a huge, huge understatement at the momen because no matter what anybody tells you, the super delegates who are undecided-about 400 of them-are going to go for the one who has recieved the most support: the most total votes and the most pledged delegates.
A Clinton advisor, speaking in aminitomy,disclosed that the super delegates she has right now are about as high as itll get. she wont be getting any more unless they take back the pledged delegate and popular vote.
Given that Hillarys has legit abandoned wisconsin, we could see another large win there. Without florida and michigan, he'll have near or over a 1 million vote lead on here, which would make getting the popular vote on him just about impossible.
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