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Squee
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I want a Max Payne 3
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Demandred
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Squee wrote: They also published the PC versions.
I see the Rockstar logo on my very precious and totally awesome copy of Max Payne 2.
I wasnt sure if you were counting them, though, as it does have Rockstar, but developed by Remedy. I wasn't counting it because Rockstar didn't make it. Just like Take-Two doesn't make GTA(they are the publisher). The PC version of Max Payne was published by Gathering of Developers. The console versions were published by Rockstar All versions of Max Payne 2 were published by Rockstar
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Demandred
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Squee wrote: :(
I want a Max Payne 3 Closest you are going to get is Stranglehold
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TonyMontana
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I don't know why, but I always assumed Rockstar developed Max Payne, not just published it. With that being said, I wish they'd make Max Payne 3! They milk everything else to death, why not MP????? It had to sell fairly well.
At least they do develop Midnight Club. I've always liked that racing series, and that sells pretty well.
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Squee
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TonyMontana wrote: I don't know why, but I always assumed Rockstar developed Max Payne, not just published it. With that being said, I wish they'd make Max Payne 3! They milk everything else to death, why not MP????? It had to sell fairly well.
At least they do develop Midnight Club. I've always liked that racing series, and that sells pretty well. Max Payne 2 disappointed sales wise (BUNCH OF MORONS) and hence there was no Max Payne 3.
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Demandred
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TonyMontana wrote: I don't know why, but I always assumed Rockstar developed Max Payne, not just published it. With that being said, I wish they'd make Max Payne 3! They milk everything else to death, why not MP????? It had to sell fairly well.
At least they do develop Midnight Club. I've always liked that racing series, and that sells pretty well. The only racing series that matters(to me) is Burnout. All others I don't like. 
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TonyMontana
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Demandred wrote: TonyMontana wrote: I don't know why, but I always assumed Rockstar developed Max Payne, not just published it. With that being said, I wish they'd make Max Payne 3! They milk everything else to death, why not MP????? It had to sell fairly well.
At least they do develop Midnight Club. I've always liked that racing series, and that sells pretty well. The only racing series that matters(to me) is Burnout. All others I don't like.  WRONG! You liked DiRT too. I win again! 
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Corpse
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Resident Evil 4 (Wii)Chapter 1-1
Starts off very cool, maybe unsurprising, but it's ok. The game looks and feels great. And I love that there are basically no loading times. And if there are, they are hidden well enough not to notice or care. Loading times may be my biggest gaming pet peeve. I HATE them. Anyway. The Wii-mote works very well, and I didn't have any problems with the controls in Chapter 1-1. At first I was always walking very slowly, waiting to see what the hell was about to attack me. Which I was afraid I may be doing much too often. But I quickly began to run more than walk. SO yay. Oh, I have to mention the fucking bear/human traps, whatever the zombie-villagers use them for. They make me cringe so bad. And it scared the hell out of me when I first stepped it one. GAW. At first I thought the game was way too hard because when I arrived in the village, I died soon after by the damn spanish zombies. I don't think they are actually zombies. I think they are just super brainwashed. Anyway. The second time going back to the village, I killed them alot quicker and was able to maintain my health better until the cutscene of them going to the church happened. And I love how so much of the environment is interactive. And you can shoot the crows and chickens. :-d AND THE COWS!!!!
Chapter 1-2
Didn't die a single time during this chapter, compared to 4 times in chapter 1-1. And meeting the merchant was cool. Bought the sniper rifle and scope, which is awesome, and was VERY useful in the area with all the spanish zombies on these houses. Don't know what to call the place, but there are at least 50 of them it seemed. But I didnt die once. This chapter really showcases the fighting, to me it did anyway. No complaints thus far really.
Chapter 1-3
STUPID CHAINSAW MAN!!!!!! I died about 3 times as soon as this chapter started pretty much. I didn't have many shotgun bullets, and the Sniper Rifle is too slow. And he was able to get to me to saw my head off many times. Finally killed the fool though. Was he a boss, or mini-boss perhaps? Anyway. I stuggled in this chapter. I didnt have many bullets, and there were many zombies people. But I managed finally to get back to the village. And what is there when I open the door? More zombie freaks. But I took care of them with my flash grenade/Sniper Rifle combo. Figured it out myself. No idea if others do that though. But the flash grenade gives you time to re-load the damn thing, and to take aim. And thankfully I wondered far enough in this one house to find this key that I needed to open the door I couldnt open in the village. I probably would have been stuck there for awhile had I not discovered it early on. So I met the merchant again in this tunnel, and updraded my case and bought the TMP? gun and something else. TMP (???), don't know what that is yet. I think this tunnel leads me to the church. But I saved before going any further since I had a certain Piranha Plant to kill in another game!
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Corpse
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Mario Stikers ChargedSo, I conquered the Crystal Cup. Beating Diddy Kong. So I'm off to the Strikers Cup to meet Petey. This was one tough cup. There were 10 entry's. And after 9 matches, the top 8 moved onto the elimination round. I went 7-2. Very surprised. I barely won a few matches though, but hey, a win is a win. Luigi was my quater-finals match. Barely beat him 3-2. Then Bowser in the semi-finals who was one of my 2 loses before. But I beat him 3-2 also. So off to the finals. With DK. Who I beat earlier on the same stage. The winner of this match would then face Petey Piranha for the Stiker's Cup, thus unlokcing him and his stage. But not this time. DK was much tougher this time around, and I lost 6-3. So now I have to restart the cup. And it took an hour and 12 minutes to get through it the first time. But the game is enjoyable enough to go though all the matches again, so it's ok. But if I lose...again.. Wait, I WONT LOSE AGAIN! Petey will be mine.
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El Maskado
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Rachet And Clank.
I was never into any of the Ratchet games. I probably wouldnt have tried the game too if the PS3 library isnt so limited and I wasnt too impressed with the game footage either. So far into it, just like Ninja Gaiden, its a pretty good game and not frustratingly hard at all. One thing the PS3 games do is bring out really great graphics that are better than the 360. The graphics are probably better than Heavenly Sword and the gameplay is much much better. Im only an hour and a half into it but Im liking what Im playing so far
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TonyMontana
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Roid wrote: Rachet And Clank.
I was never into any of the Ratchet games. I probably wouldnt have tried the game too if the PS3 library isnt so limited and I wasnt too impressed with the game footage either. So far into it, just like Ninja Gaiden, its a pretty good game and not frustratingly hard at all. One thing the PS3 games do is bring out really great graphics that are better than the 360. The graphics are probably better than Heavenly Sword and the gameplay is much much better. Im only an hour and a half into it but Im liking what Im playing so far You don't have a high-def TV, do you?
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El Maskado
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I do have HDTV. I dont see how my statement is wrong at all when I said the graphics looked better on the PS3 than it does for the 360. Gameplay wise I have said the 360 is better but the graphics are much more detailed for games like Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank and even Lair when compared to the likes of Gears of War and DEad Rising. Ill even take pictures off the tv screen to illustrate this
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TonyMontana
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I haven't seen HS or R&C yet, but everything I've seen on the PS3 so far looks like there are a lot more jaggies (on average) and many games have frame rate issues, such as Madden which can only run at 30 FPS, to the 360's 60 FPS.
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El Maskado
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It might be a porting issue then. They probably did the programming on the 360 first and then ported it over the the PS3.Just recently the Wii version of Manhunt 2 actually looks the same as Manhunt 1 on the PS2, they had a leaked version of Manhunt 2 for the PS2 dating back 2 months ago. I didnt know whats up with the bad Wii graphics but it was like traveling all the way back to 2001
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TonyMontana
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Every side by side I've seen of like games, almost always looks better on the 360. A recent site did a side by side of Assassins Creed and said the 360 looked better (I'll see if I can find it again).
It could be a porting issue, but so far every game that we can compare side by side looks better on the 360. This should not be the case, even for ports. Back in the day of the PS2, developers made the game on the PS2, ported it to the Xbox, but it still looked better on the Xbox 99.9% of the time.
Like that developer from Harmonix said that I linked to recently... games will always look better on the 360, except for the few fringe big games that are designed solely for the PS3... he said those are the only ones that may be able to compete, but other than that... they always look better on the 360. He's not the only independent developer or reviewer to say that, either.
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TonyMontana
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Here's a quote from that developer: Quote: Fill rate is one of the primary ways to measure graphics performance - in essence, it's a number describing how many pixel operations you can perform. The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance. Additionally, the shader processing on the ps3 is significantly slower than on the 360, which means that a normal map takes more fill rate to draw on the ps3 than it does on the 360. And I'm not talking about small differences here, we're talking roughly half the pixel pushing power. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/26/forme ... nceptions/
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TonyMontana
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To add to your Wii comments, Roid... I too am amazed at how little the Wii has done graphically. At the minimum, it should be pumping out high level Xbox 1 graphics (it is more poweful, after all). I remember back before it was released when the people here were posting screen shots and saying it was going to give the 360 a run for its money.... they were giddy with joy. Instead, we've seen nothing but GameCube level graphics, and nothing that has even given the Xbox 1 a run for it's money.
It's not all about the graphics, but damn... there is no excuse for it not having any games that push the envelop a little, to at least a decent looking Xbox game (something like Ninja Gaiden). My only guess is the real developers are spending their time with the PS3 and 360, and the Wii developers are the flunkies from Collins College who need to "tighten up the graphics on level 3".
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El Maskado
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Props to Tony to fit Collins College to a discussion 
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TonyMontana wrote: Roid wrote: Rachet And Clank.
I was never into any of the Ratchet games. I probably wouldnt have tried the game too if the PS3 library isnt so limited and I wasnt too impressed with the game footage either. So far into it, just like Ninja Gaiden, its a pretty good game and not frustratingly hard at all. One thing the PS3 games do is bring out really great graphics that are better than the 360. The graphics are probably better than Heavenly Sword and the gameplay is much much better. Im only an hour and a half into it but Im liking what Im playing so far You don't have a high-def TV, do you? It isn't just Roid saying it, Tony. Read some reviews.
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TonyMontana wrote: Every side by side I've seen of like games, almost always looks better on the 360. A recent site did a side by side of Assassins Creed and said the 360 looked better (I'll see if I can find it again).
It could be a porting issue, but so far every game that we can compare side by side looks better on the 360. Most multiplatform games are being designed for the 360 first and then ported to the PS3. So yes, I do think that is an issue of why those side by sides may not be favorable to the PS3. Companies like EA aren't even trying to port the game over correctly.
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TonyMontana
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Squee wrote: TonyMontana wrote: Roid wrote: Rachet And Clank.
I was never into any of the Ratchet games. I probably wouldnt have tried the game too if the PS3 library isnt so limited and I wasnt too impressed with the game footage either. So far into it, just like Ninja Gaiden, its a pretty good game and not frustratingly hard at all. One thing the PS3 games do is bring out really great graphics that are better than the 360. The graphics are probably better than Heavenly Sword and the gameplay is much much better. Im only an hour and a half into it but Im liking what Im playing so far You don't have a high-def TV, do you? It isn't just Roid saying it, Tony. Read some reviews. Have you not read what I've already said? Most reviews cite the 360 version as the best one. Just look at Assassins Creed: Quote: I had the chance to play Assassin’s Creed on both Microsoft’s Xbox 360 and Sony’s Playstation 3, but in my opinion the game plays best on Xbox 360, with a crisper frame-rate and more detailed environments. http://www.consolemonster.com/preview.p ... at=handsonAnd don't give me this is because it is a 360 port. This game was a PS3 exclusive until just a few months ago. What was Ubi doing, making it on the 360 when it was an exclusive? And you can't keep using the port excuse... the Xbox 1 did not have to use this excuse. Ported games looked better than the PS2. This is an example of the hardware not being as good, as many 3rd party developers have said. As the Harmonix guy said, the PS3 is simply not as powerful. That is the issue.
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El Maskado
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http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.htmlI think Tony was referring to this First screenshot for NFS looked better on the PS3 while the last two looked better on the 360. Madden does look better on the 360 and so does Tony Hawk and Marvel Alliance. Tiger Woods looked better on the PS3 and quite a huge difference on Fight Night. The author is smoking something or just a MS fanboy when he said Fight Night on the 360 looked much better
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TonyMontana
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Roid wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html I think Tony was referring to this First screenshot for NFS looked better on the PS3 while the last two looked better on the 360. Madden does look better on the 360 and so does Tony Hawk and Marvel Alliance. Tiger Woods looked better on the PS3 and quite a huge difference on Fight Night. The author is smoking something or just a MS fanboy when he said Fight Night on the 360 looked much better I was referring to every 360 vs. PS3 game... 99.9% of the time they look better on the 360. This can not be dismissed as "ports". A port should not cause a loss in graphics, unless the machine is worse, as pointed out in my Xbox 1 vs. PS2 example. More from that developer in reference to this very issue: Quote: Why the PS3 version often pails in comparison to the 360 version, and why exclusives often suck: As outlined above, getting equivalent performance out of the PS3 requires a lot of work unique to the platform, and in many cases, even with all these tricks, you still won't see equivalent performance. Thus, many ps3 games have simplified shaders and run at lower native resolutions than the 360 versions. On top of this, there is shrinking incentive to do this work; the PS3 isn't selling.
The code needed to make the PS3 work is most likely only useful to you on the PS3, as the types of tricks you need to do to make the thing perform are very unique to the platform and unlikely to be useful on any other architecture now or in the future. These issues all stem from unbalanced hardware design, and any future hardware that is this unbalanced will likely be unbalanced in a completely unique way.
Finally, there's the problem of resources. Game Development is, at it's heart, a resource management challenge. Given finite resources, do I have these five engineers work on optimizing the PS3 version to look better, or do I use them to make the game play better and fix bugs? Do I change my design to fit with what the PS3 hardware does well, or simply run the game at a slightly lower resolution on the PS3 to make up for it? Developers striving to push the PS3 hardware have often sacrificed their game in the process.
This post might come across as a lot of Sony bashing, but it's just the reality from the trenches. Sony let their hardware be designed by a comity of business interests rather than a well thought out design that would serve the game development community. They are going to loose hard this round because of it, and I hope that in the next round they take lessons from this round and produce a more balanced and usable machine.
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From what you posted, it seems like developers are just being lazy to put some extra effort into making the PS3 graphics look better. Their reasoning "why take so much time on graphics when the PS3 isnt selling and lets just work on the bug issues". It didnt really specify that the system cant handle it but because the developers arent motivated to do so. Hence the argument is that the third party games could simply be ports if thats the attitude. That could explain why exclusives like Heavenly Sword and Ratchet & Clank have far superior graphics because they dont have any other third part support
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TonyMontana
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Roid wrote: From what you posted, it seems like developers are just being lazy to put some extra effort into making the PS3 graphics look better. Their reasoning "why take so much time on graphics when the PS3 isnt selling and lets just work on the bug issues". It didnt really specify that the system cant handle it but because the developers arent motivated to do so. Hence the argument is that the third party games could simply be ports if thats the attitude. That could explain why exclusives like Heavenly Sword and Ratchet & Clank have far superior graphics because they dont have any other third part support No, he explains at first that the PS3 doesn't have the same processing power - "Fill rate is one of the primary ways to measure graphics performance... the fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360... additionally, the shader processing on the ps3 is significantly slower than on the 360... and I'm not talking about small differences here, we're talking roughly half the pixel pushing power."What he is saying is that there *could* be ways to work around the lack of power, but it takes so much effort that it will never be worth the reward. He's saying it's a shoddily made system, and what would be the benefit of a developer ever trying to work around these problems? None. He also points out the speed of the Blu-Ray drive (significantly slower than the DVD in the 360) hampers developement too. It's clear Sony screwed up in this generation. As I said before, a port should not look worse... the only thing that can make a port look worse is messed up hardware or hardware issues.
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