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 Margot at the Wedding
Margot at the Wedding Quote: Margot at the Wedding is a 2007 tragicomedy written and directed by Noah Baumbach.
The film premiered August 31, 2007 at the 34th Telluride Film Festival.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Margot at the Wedding: Freakin' Funny!!!
I have chosen the two words in my thread title very carefully: "freakin' " & "funny".
Both apply equally to this black, black comedy.
It is seriously twisted fun. Eeeps! And I had little hope for the director after his needlessly dour Squid and the Whale - - but, whaddayaknow? - - he pulls a masterpiece out of his ass for his "sophomore" creation. It's great... well I mean, it's sick... errrr... real... err... gawd knows... ... ...
This is the kinda real life dysfunction we all experience in peripheral avenues of our own families, yet so seldom graces the screen. Yow! It's a dirty secret, alright. But not anymore, now that they done gone and made a movie out of it!
I've been a crazy Nicole Kidman fanboy since I first glimpsed her in the first run of Dead Calm, so what can I say?
Pretty much the same goes for Jennifer Jason Leigh, though her trail's been somewhat more wending since I set eyes on her in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
And even Jack Black, who I usually have a very limited taste for, deported himself quite tidily here.
What a surprise!
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:15 am |
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kypade
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I love the poster and find something interesting about the trailer, though I don't know what. Glad to hear good news...won't get to see it til mid December.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:05 am |
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thompsoncory
Rachel McAdams Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14618 Location: LA / NYC
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I thought it was FANTASTIC. I agree about it being hilarious too. There were some points where I seriously couldn't stop laughing. Such as the part with the woman and the dog where Margot whispers "I can't stand her." Little moments such as that were just so successful. Nicole Kidman was phenomenal and proved once again why she is one of my favorite actresses. Jennifer Jason Leigh was also outstanding, and Jack Black showed a lot more range than he has in any of his other projects. Highly recommended. I LOVED it!
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:54 pm |
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Rod
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:50 pm Posts: 12821
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I was completely shocked by just HOW dark it was. I was cringing like every 5 minutes, if not more.
Really Really good though I still don't know if I like it better than Squid and the Whale. Performances are great all around (including the child actors) but Jennifer Jason Leigh and Nicole Kidman naturally stand out.
B+
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Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:33 pm |
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kypade
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An old man mumbled something to his old wife upon exiting the theater. This prompted the theater-door-holding, ticket-tearing, much younger usher/employee to ask the old man "You didn't like it?" His reply was "No, it was disgusting." I suspect many of the audience I watched the film with felt similarly. You could just tell, as soon as it ended with little resolution and in a very abrupt manner, that people weren't digging this movie. I can't say that I blame any of the people who didn't enjoy Margot at the Wedding. I'm not even sure I enjoyed Margot at the Wedding. But for some reason I'm pretty sure I liked it. A lot. Which is strange because there is a whole, whole lot not to like here. The old man wasn't wrong when he called it "Disgusting." The film is basically just that: a bunch of aging, mean people spending a few days saying mean things to each other. Jack Black's character is the most "likable", but that's mostly because we pity him, as every other scene is Kidman's titular Margot telling someone how terrible he is - he's too fat, he's too lazy, he's not good enough. If the odd scenes are Margot belittling Malcom, the even ones are pretty much all Margot belittling everyone else. Her husband, her sister(s), her mom and dad, her son, the next door neighbor and his daughter, the guy she's having an affair with. Pretty much every other character in the film gets torn apart by some Margot line or another. And it's like this over and over. Fighting and making fun and cursing and crying and rumors and all the other stuff aging, mean people do with their time. This is supposed to be a wedding, remember. Visually the film is consistent with these ugly thematics. I originally complained about Once because the filmmakers seemed to use no artificial lighting to make the film attractive. Here, I think they used artificial lighting to make the film unattractive. It's just not pretty too look at. And yet, no, it is both pretty to look at and comfortable to sit through. The title is a play on a wonderful Rohmer film Pauline at the Beach (Pauline is the name Jennifer Jason Leigh's character, the setting is a beach/lake front home). Whenever I watch that film I'm taken in not by the pretty people or look of the scenery (though both of them are prettier than in this film). Instead I love it because it's these people, coming to this beach town and doing whatever they want for a week or so. They wake up when they want and go to sleep when they want. They discuss love when and how they want, they experience love with whom they want. It's probably the most vacationesque film I've ever seen, because at every cut between every shot I can feel the freedom of these characters and this place and this time. To a large degree, the structure of Margot at the Wedding is similar. Margot and her kid show up to the wedding and yes, nothing is really "pleasant", but it feels incredibly "safe". Like who cares if everyone's an asshole to everyone else? It's a group of family and friends at a house on a beach. They still eat dinner at night, and play croquet during the days. They're gonna have the wedding under this tent, and the bride and groom will both smile and it won't be a rainy day. In fact, you can pretty much see the weather, and it's the kind of weather I wanna live in: cold, crisp air, with foggy, dewy mornings (though this might very well be me projecting ideas into the film that aren't there...I'm not sure they ever mention the weather and I don't think you see snow or anything, so it could be summer for all I know). But it's the kind of place where this poster could exist, and that kind of place, for all it's nasty characters, is worth visiting. The acting is fine. If you consider who these actors are outside of film, it's probably much better than fine. They're all completely believable and even the most outlandish things they do or say seem normal. Nicole Kidman and Jennifer Jason Leigh could be real sisters. They all wear their quirks and troubled pasts on their sleeves, but it doesnt come across as charicaturish or manipulative. I just accept that these people are real...this is a fucked up family, but it's still a family. And maybe that's what it comes down to. I went to a family reunion this summer, and I'm pretty sure a camera crew filming it all could have edited together a similarly "mean" portrait of all of us. Because families say stupid shit sometimes, I guess. It's very concentrated in this film, true, but maybe it's not so "disgusting" as it appears. I don't know where I'm going with this, or if I've convinced anyone that it's worth watching (or even that I liked it as much as I think I do), so I'll stop here. If you get a chance to see it, I would probably not hesitate. If nothing else, it's one of the three most confusing/conflicting/unique filmgoing experiences of the year. (For some reason I feel compelled to group this film, along with Lars and the Real Girl and Interview into one little package of films that I'm not sure how much I loved, but which feel so "special" I wish they were my three favorite of the year.)
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Christian
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Jeezus. This movie wentthere. Completely over there. And I loved every cringe-worthy spats Nicole Kidman gave. She should be a complete cunt more often.
Rod said it best and I quote, "makes The Squid and the Whale look like Disneyland."
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Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:51 pm |
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snack
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Whoa. I totally wasn't expecting that. This is such a hard movie to grade, because you absolutely hate the characters, and feel terrible every time you try to sympathize with them. I think a lot of critics panned this because it "didn't have a heart" (whereas most comedies become treacly melodramas at some point). This did have a heart, it was just damn cold. I'll write some more later, I g2g.
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:43 pm |
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snack
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Continued: I guess the best (and also worst) thing I can say about this movie is that Nicole Kidman made me hate her. And I'm a huge fan. She was just that good, as was the rest of the cast. The direction, especially with some of the lighting decisions, was questionable, and the story quite often did pass that line. Still, even when the plot went where you didn't want it to go, the screenplay was on point. It had some hilarious moments, and also probably the most unsettling moments of the year (and this was a big year for that....No Country, Zodiac, Apatow comedies), but I felt they were often indulgent.
Overall, a victory for the cast, but just ew at the oedipal stuff.
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xiayun
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Sorry, this is one of the worst films of the year for me. I had trouble sitting through to the end. There is no one likable character, so it became an exercise of supposedly "interesting" dialogs, but since I had no emotional connection with the characters whatsoever, unlike say Closer, I could care less. C-.
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The Mr Pink
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I'm still trying to digest this film and figure out if I liked it more than I didn't. On the plus side Nicole Kidman was fantastic. She finally gave a perfromance worth the hype she recieves as an actress, and Jennifer Jason Leigh gave an equally strong performance as well that matched Kidman note for note. The film did have some funny moments, though I can't seem to recall them, it did have many cringe inducing moments. But I think since the subject was just so damn dark and the characters were so unlikeable, that it really impaired the film overall. I'm glad he (Baumbach) didn't turn the film into a traditional sappy family melodrama and I applaud him for remaining very unconventional, but it needed something to lighten it up just a little and allow the viewer to connect to the characters. They were just so mean, nasty and shallow it was impossible to like them. The only miscasting in the film is Black, normally I like his juvenuille humor and I'm a huge fan of Tenacious D, but he was so out of place in this film I almost began to feel sorry him. He works as light-hearted comic relief or the sappy dorky love interest, but the subject matter the film deals with and the really great peformances from everyone else really put him in a bad spot. I'm going to have see this again, so on that note Grade: B-/C+
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android
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I'm still dying to see this? And I didn't even like The Squid THAT much. I guess it's my love for the 2 actresses + the certainty that this is not going to be so easy to digest, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, y'know?  I guess people just like their family flicks friendly, when we all know that families can be quite hostile.
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android
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Having expected this for so long, and having prepared for all the unpleasantness, I must say this is truly the most overlooked movie of the year along with Bug (another "unpleasant" entry). Like that movie, it goes all the way, and doesn't feel like it needs to restrict itself. There are no good people here like we usually see in the movies, no heroes, just messed up people trying to deal with the fact that like everything in life, families do change eventually, and you shouldn't fight it. Of course, Kidman and Leigh are so spot on it's scary - I kinda missed this dark side of Kidman, but there's also the young Zain Pais (arguably the most likable character here) who should also be getting more recognition for his role. Jack Black does a good job too though it was still weird to see him in such a dramatic role. Was Claude really Pauline's son, or was that line in the library a slip?
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getluv
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A-
I fucking loved this movie. I found the characters to be likable in an unlikable way. The scene where they find the lady with the injured dog and the scene at the library when shes doing her Q&A.
Every actor deserves kudos here, especially Leigh who had her fair share of cringe worthy moments (the one after they abandon the car, tmi). But Kidman really shines here, she does evil very well.
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Bradley Witherberry
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I hate to say it, but I love to see some love for the hate!
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Magic Mike
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MARGOT AT THE WEDDING - 5/10 (C)This was soooooooo disappointing.  And this is coming from someone who loves Nicole Kidman, even in movies like STEPFORD WIVES, BEWITCHED, and INVASION.
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publicenemy#1
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I thought it was terrific, I found this a lot better than The Squid and the Whale. Kidman deserved more attention for this performance.
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Mr. Reynolds
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I loved this movie. It was a glimpse into the dysfunctional lives of two sisters, their kids, and their lovers without the heavy backstories and psychobabble that could have been.
Loved the lead performances. Loved how we never really get the specific details behind anyone's life's other than they are fucked up messes now. Loved how Kidman's character stays true to her unsure self until the very last second.
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Webslinger
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There's nothing like family. Unless you're a character in "Margot at the Wedding," that is.
"Margot at the Wedding" is the latest film from director Noah Baumbach, whose last film "The Squid and the Whale," was about as cuddly as a cactus plant. The buzz on this one is that it's even more cruel, vicious, and all-around hateful. And that buzz is right on the money. "Margot at the Wedding" is easily among the cruelest movies released in 2007. Its title character, Margot (Nicole Kidman), goes on mean streaks of epic proportions, not leaving a single person around her safe from being mowed down by verbal degradation.
But saying that the film is cruel is in no way a disservice. In fact, in an odd twist, it's a compliment. "Margot at the Wedding" is a movie about dysfunction, and instead of using the quirkiness of its characters, it uses the harsh words coming out of their mouths- not to mention pitch black humor found from things ranging from physical appearance to pedophilia. Oh yes, they definitely go there.
At the beginning of the film, short story writer Margot and her teenage son Claude (Zane Pais) arrive at Margot's childhood home, now the property of Margot's estranged sister Pauline (Jennifer Jason Leigh). Pauline is about to get married to Malcolm (Jack Black), an unemployed and overweight artist. From the start, things don't go well, as the strains in the relationship between Margot and Pauline are out in the open. And as Margot continues to get herself deeply involved in the situation, things start to go comically wrong, but not in that "Meet the Parents" style that will have viewers rolling on the floor laughing. Instead, it's in the kind of way that invites the free droppings of four-lettered profanities. Among other things, Margot manages to piss off the neighbors, get angry with her estranged husband Jim (John Tuturro), find cracks in her affair with another writer (Ciaran Hinds), and sharply criticize Malcolm in front of Pauline.
There's little doubt that the humor in the film is sometimes a little unsettling, but what eases some of the sting is the acting. Nicole Kidman gives her zestiest performance in several years. As Margot, she's in what could best be described as "total bitch mode." She manages to humanize a somewhat hateful character. Margot isn't really a horrible person; she just calls things as harshly as she sees them- and moreover, she seems to have as little respect for herself as she does the people around her. Kidman nails it, making for one of 2007's most electrifying (not to mention overlooked) performances.
The rest of the cast is also up to the challenge. Jennifer Jason Leigh is very good as Pauline, playing a character who is likeable, yet always open to her sister's criticisms. Jack Black proves that in addition to being a passable comedian, he also has some dramatic chops to spare. He plays his character so that we come to sympathize with him (for a while) in spite of his laziness and "unworthiness" in other eyes. The young Zane Pais does a very nice job as Margot's son Claude, as the two have excellent chemistry in their scenes together. Their relationship, though not without a handful of borderline hateful moments, plays a major role in this film's success in grounding itself in reality when it could easily have become a cartoon on acid.
Just as he did with "Squid and the Whale," Noah Baumbach crafts a screenplay with intelligence. What this movies lacks in heart it makes up for in bite. There are many R-rated movies that are unafraid of liberal use of profanity or raunchy humor, but certainly most movies in the "dramedy" category would shy away from some of the things in this film. There are points when family members direct f-bomb-laden insults at each other, references to child abuse (presumably) played for laughs, and an oh-so-casual scene showing Margot masturbating.
What makes "Margot at the Wedding" work so well is that it takes all the offbeat, hateful, and even borderline taboo material and uses it all to its advantage. We feel and relate to the hurt these characters have- and the pleasure they often have in dealing that hurt. This is the study of truly dysfucntional characters who don't have their lives in order, and instead of settling with telling a "traditional" story of redemption and reorganization, it goes for broke by allowing its viewers to witness characters destroying not only their own confidence, but those of others around them.
With the hateful nature of the movie in mind, "Margot at the Wedding" is definitely not for everyone, a fact already signaled by the somewhat divided reaction the movie has received. But if its unabashedly mean-spirited nature doesn't turn the viewer off, it's one of the most potent hybrids of comedy and drama still fresh on the "new release" shelf of the local video store.
Rating: 3.5 stars out of 4
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7/10 -> B-
I loved Nicole. I liked her character a lot. I loved everytime she used a retard remark. I loved every scene with her. But the rest of the cast wasn't really good IMO. Especially Black. He was awful. And that's where the movie fails the most - lame casting - apart from Kidman.
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Sad-man
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Absolutely hilarious and better than the overrated Squid and the Whale.
8/10
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i.hope
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This film is a great character study. The story is so written that it entails a great deal of back story that, though not displayed on screen, can be conceived by the viewer. The interaction between the two sisters in their reunion exhibits a dynamic so real yet so distant.
I need to re-watch the movie sometime.
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