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 So 8 1/2 is pretty much one of the worst movies I've seen... 
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Post So 8 1/2 is pretty much one of the worst movies I've seen...
I guess the foreign cult won't appreciate this thread, but...

I honestly think this movie not only the most overrated I've ever seen, but probably one of the worst too. It's one thing to have a film without plot or hook, it's an entirely different thing to have 140 minutes of nothing. Not a movie about nothing... No, 8 1/2 is actually a movie where for most of its running time, nothing happens, at all. I'm sorry, but an artistically created film about a director who walks around and talks to random people, and then has random dreams and fantasies, for 140 minutes, is completley fucking useless. Maybe I didn't get it, maybe I didn't appreciate it as an artistic vision!, but seriously, what the hell. Give me something here.

Aside from that, the movie is BORING. After 70 minutes of the same stuff, this director just randomly talking to people and dreaming, I just started to get really really tired of it... and it just goes on... and on... and on... I turned it off at about the 110 minute mark, I just couldn't take it anymore.

Again, maybe I don't have artistic vision enough to 'get' this movie... but right now I feel like baumer after watching Magnolia. I think this ties with Pledge This as my least favorite movie ever. I think I may try another Fellini movie sometime, but this is supposed to be the audience favorite? Arg, and wow.

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I guess I can understand why you feel that way, since I feel more or less the same way about La Dolce Vita (I can freely admit that now, without the fear of dissapointing Galia. :( )

I don't necessary think the movies are plotless, or at the very least pointless. I can see what the director was trying to show, and in both cases it is more of a character study, I think. Both are selfish, shallow and somewhat careless. I loved 8 1/2, didn't care so much for La Dolce Vita, for the pretty much the same reasons you seemed to not like 8 1/2. Although I said I could see what Fellini was trying to show, I was never engaged in anyway by the movie. There are some great individual scenes/images. It's very clear that Fellini has a style of his own and that he is very talented and I really wanted to liked the movie, but I was just bored. Maybe it is the age thing, maybe I will see it again someday and love it. But for the time being, not so much.

I don't really care for the plot in 8 1/2 either...or at least it isn't the reason why I love it. But while LDV bored me I found each scene in 8 1/2 exhilarating enough to keep me hooked through the entire movie. And Barbara Steele looks amaaazing. It is all about style, and creating a certain mood much like David Lynch's movies, but with 8 1/2 it completely worked for me.

I still think F- is a bit harsh even if I can understand where you're coming from, though. ;)

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Yeah, in reality I probably disliked watching this movie more than almost anything I've seen, thanks a lot to disappointment added, but the production styles are decent and I liked the actor who played Guido, so to be honest it wasn't completley useless. The F- probably was a little over the top. :lol:

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Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:26 pm
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This is something I wrote awhile back about both 8 1/2 and La Dolce vita. I wish I would have expanded on certain things further, but I think it gets my basic thoughts across fairly well.

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I've now seen two Fellini films more than once - 8 1/2 and La Dolce vita - and they've both had the same, striking effect on me. It's an experience that, for me, has been unique to Fellini's work and these two films in particular. The best single word I would use to describe it would be intoxicating, but it's so much more than that. Both of these films run over two hours in length (8 1/2 clocks in at 138 minutes, and La Dolce vita is a monstrous 174), but they both feel like 80 or 90 minute walks in the park. They both left me with a burning desire to rewatch them the next morning, something that rarely happens with films that are as emotionally draining as these two - which brings me to my next topic - the emotional weight these films carry is simply devastating, and in my experience, unmatched.

They are both about virtually the same thing - a man (portrayed by Fellini stand-in Marcello Mastroianni, who has quickly become one of my all time favorite actors) at a cross roads in his life where he feels empty and is longing for something, anything to make him feel alive again. In both films, he attempts to find solace in the beds of various beautiful women (I still stand by my claim that Fellini's films are comprised of the most stunning women on the planet), while a woman he's in a relationship with at home suffers from a deep, unconditional and ultimately unrequited love, sinks into a terrible depression. Again, in both films, Mastroianni finds his happiness perpetually just out of reach (is he looking for it in the wrong places, or is it simply no longer there?), and they both end on exceedingly melancholic notes, La Dolce vita especially.

I've seen thousands of films in my life, and not a single one has left me in a state like these two have. Fellini's perfectly composed and utterly beautiful mise en scene only serves to highlight the beauty and heartbreak contained in these masterpieces'. Fellini wasn't a showy filmmaker, so you have to watch his films and his camera to truly appreciate the artistry on display. While most filmmakers are content with mildly bludging you over the skull with their arty compositions (stirring string arrangment included, of course), Fellini is more subtle, and his work is better because of it.

These two titles have had such an untold amount of praise heaped upon them by virtually every member of the film community that it feels a bit trite and arduous to go through it all again, but I can't think of a pair that deserves it more. If you discount his segment on Boccacio '70, Fellini made these two films back-to-back. I can't think of a better example of an artist at the height of his creative and emotional power. These are truly two of the best films ever made.


Shack, I think you watched 8 1/2 expecting your typical, everyday film narrative. You can't watch a Fellini film like that and expect to enjoy. Rod makes an apt comparison to Lynch's work in the sense that Fellini is a very self satisfying filmmaker. He explores themes and concepts that interest him, and lets things like narrative take a back seat to his overall vision. It's something you either go with, or don't, and it's something that either connects with you, or it doesn't.


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I didn't like 8 1/2 when I saw it a couple years ago, either, but that's mostly because it was a VHS copy with a terrible transfer and white subtitles (against white background, often, so I couldn't read anything.)

I just rented it on dvd from the library the other day though. So we'll see if I get anything out of it this time.


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makeshift wrote:
This is something I wrote awhile back about both 8 1/2 and La Dolce vita. I wish I would have expanded on certain things further, but I think it gets my basic thoughts across fairly well.

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I've now seen two Fellini films more than once - 8 1/2 and La Dolce vita - and they've both had the same, striking effect on me. It's an experience that, for me, has been unique to Fellini's work and these two films in particular. The best single word I would use to describe it would be intoxicating, but it's so much more than that. Both of these films run over two hours in length (8 1/2 clocks in at 138 minutes, and La Dolce vita is a monstrous 174), but they both feel like 80 or 90 minute walks in the park. They both left me with a burning desire to rewatch them the next morning, something that rarely happens with films that are as emotionally draining as these two - which brings me to my next topic - the emotional weight these films carry is simply devastating, and in my experience, unmatched.

They are both about virtually the same thing - a man (portrayed by Fellini stand-in Marcello Mastroianni, who has quickly become one of my all time favorite actors) at a cross roads in his life where he feels empty and is longing for something, anything to make him feel alive again. In both films, he attempts to find solace in the beds of various beautiful women (I still stand by my claim that Fellini's films are comprised of the most stunning women on the planet), while a woman he's in a relationship with at home suffers from a deep, unconditional and ultimately unrequited love, sinks into a terrible depression. Again, in both films, Mastroianni finds his happiness perpetually just out of reach (is he looking for it in the wrong places, or is it simply no longer there?), and they both end on exceedingly melancholic notes, La Dolce vita especially.

I've seen thousands of films in my life, and not a single one has left me in a state like these two have. Fellini's perfectly composed and utterly beautiful mise en scene only serves to highlight the beauty and heartbreak contained in these masterpieces'. Fellini wasn't a showy filmmaker, so you have to watch his films and his camera to truly appreciate the artistry on display. While most filmmakers are content with mildly bludging you over the skull with their arty compositions (stirring string arrangment included, of course), Fellini is more subtle, and his work is better because of it.

These two titles have had such an untold amount of praise heaped upon them by virtually every member of the film community that it feels a bit trite and arduous to go through it all again, but I can't think of a pair that deserves it more. If you discount his segment on Boccacio '70, Fellini made these two films back-to-back. I can't think of a better example of an artist at the height of his creative and emotional power. These are truly two of the best films ever made.


Shack, I think you watched 8 1/2 expecting your typical, everyday film narrative. You can't watch a Fellini film like that and expect to enjoy. Rod makes an apt comparison to Lynch's work in the sense that Fellini is a very self satisfying filmmaker. He explores themes and concepts that interest him, and lets things like narrative take a back seat to his overall vision. It's something you either go with, or don't, and it's something that either connects with you, or it doesn't.


I think it definitley comes down to what you look for in a movie and filmmaking. Evidently you are a huge fan of style and the way films are created. I personally can only care for style as a background complementing factor to plot, story, characters, humor, emotional factor, etc., :smile:

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Shack wrote:

I think it definitley comes down to what you look for in a movie and filmmaking. Evidently you are a huge fan of style and the way films are created. I personally can only care for style as a background complementing factor to plot, story, characters, humor, emotional factor, etc., :smile:


Well, that's not necessarily true. I think the form and content of a film are virtually one in the same. The content, the ultimate expression of the movie, is gleaned from every piece of the form: story, character, camera, lighting, acting, music, etc. Therefore, I wouldn't call myself a "style whore", just as I wouldn't say the narrative is the most important aspect of a film. I don't see the distinction. I like movies that strive for continuity in their form and content.


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LDV has really grown up since I first watched it several months ago. All the symbolisms, the yins and yangs, simply wonderful. It's such a director's movie. And certain scenes and images have that everlasting quality.

I bought 8 1/2 at the same time, but haven't gotten around to watch it yet.

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