I guess you finished it by now. What did you think?

Too bad that it seems like you read the above posts which spoiled parts of it before you watched it.

This definitely was a weird episode.

I don't know. I can't even make a comment on it after what everyone else said.

Next week looks better because it looks like it gets the plot going and heading towards the finale. Remember, next week is going to be the last episode before the non-stop May sweeps episode leading to the finale.

Nah I didn't come up here until I had decided Dave was fake. I came up here to see if people shared my initial reaction that "OMG Hurley is having the same sort of reaction as Jack and the others". In a way, I think people may be taking this episode way too literally and kind of forgetting the history of the island in general and the weird crap that goes on there.

I still think Dave is "real", or that Island!Dave is not an "imaginary friend" but is actually a function or related to what is going on with the island. My question wasn't answered by Libby's response at the end to the slipper which was "I don't really remember. No."... well... considering she only had a second or two before he hid it in the sand...

I thought it was a good episode, and if I'm right (which I hope I am, because I think my theory here makes the island more of an interesting place!) I think this episode said a lot about the state of things. I like Libby as a character, despite the fact that she might be a nutcase. She is very nice... it's nice to have someone on the island who is actually *nice* to another character at this moment.

I mean, a hallucination of Walt leads Shannon to her death and another almost leads Hurley to his? Am I the only one making the connections!

Oh and Gale.

We learned a lot of potentially really interesting tidbits depending on how much of what Gale said is true:

1. The bearded man is not the leader. It seems that death is better than divulging anything minor about what goes on there.
2. God cannot see the island any more than the rest of the world can? Does that mean that the island is "somehow" inaccessible and unescapeable?
3. Gale either...
a. saw that the numbers ran down and did nothing
b. referenced a magnet, which I only think Sayid and Jack have talked about thus far.
c. if the numbers DIDN'T completely run down, then he knows what DOES happen in the hatch when it runs down.
d. he mentioned the Others consider the hatch "a joke".

What struck me about that scene was he didn't even say something like "ok but don't tell anyone I told you this". He just acted like anything he said would be overheard by his bosses. Perhaps somehow they can hear (and see?) everything going on?


I can't recall where I got this idea, but it seems likely that the island holds some giant magnetic force that is screwing with magnetic north and avionics. Notice Gale mentioned something about hearing a big magnet? How can he tell what a magnet sounds like, that was such an odd remark by him. The island is probably invisible to both technological ways of seeing it and also to eyesight after you get a certain distance from it.

The God reference is interesting because it's obvious to me that Eko is building a church. By season finale God (symbolically and metaphorically if you will) will be able to see the island which will give them hope that they are not totally cut off.


I think Gale overheard a lot of what people said outside the hatch over days and came to understand that the whole countdown thing was Locke's obsession. So he lied and said that he didn't punch the numbers in just to fuck with Locke.

Hmmm... good thoughts.


Yeah, maybe, which kind of ties into the whole "they think this place is a joke". If you had to force me to come to a decision on what's going on tonight I would say, "The others are a group of scientists who ran experiments that went afoul and now they are cut off from the rest of the world, using people attracted to the island to run their experiments."

The thing that makes this interesting is that the Others obviously know of the hatches, they MUST have known about Desmond, and they killed the real Henry Gale for some reason just as they killed the tailies (or did they?).


Well in Season 1 Sayid tried to fashion a compass which didn't work I don't think, and then got Locke's compass which didn't work, then I think in Orientation earlier this year Sayid said something about magnetism when he was inspecting the lower depths of the hatch.


I agree. I am however not throwing off the idea that the island may be somewhat lost in time or space.


Wow, that's interesting that's actually a rather cool idea.


Maybe. Either way, I'm pretty sure he *knows* what happens. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when it runs down in front of "our" eyes at the end of the season.

Well, Lost has been picked up for the third season: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=13992

D'uh.

I didn't want to comment last night because I didn't want to spoil anything. So, now that I can comment...

What was with the whole food thing at the start? First, Hurley starts throwing away good food that the other islanders could have used!! Then, out of nowhere, food arrives? I was more than certain that this was a dream. Wasn't that a little out of place that food just suddenly shows up? Did the Others deliver it to them? WHAT THE HELL?

I thought it was an extremely weird episode. I think it was good, though. The ending was great. Gale's confession to Locke was great. But, I don't appreciate the writers trying to make Ana-Lucia the good person by pushing Sayid out of the way before he puts a bullet in Gale.

Well, Jack and Kate found the food at the end of the previous episode, so the extra food wasn't completely unprecedented. Something on the glow-in-the-dark map references a food drop every 4 or 5 months. This answers the question that had been posed at the start of season 2: How did Desmond and Kelvin survive for numerous years in the Hatch on what appeared to be a limited food supply? As Charlie said, the blast doors came down because whoever was giving the Hatch new supplies didn't want to be seen.

All right, I guess that makes sense.

But aren't they running a huge risk by closing the doors at any time? What if the button pusher is trapped in the living area, like Locke, and the timer runs out?

Remember, there are supposed to be two people in the hatch, and they are supposed to take shifts so that one person is next to the computer at all times. Chances are that the people who were supposed to live in the hatch were told about the supply drops and would know when to expect them.

The best part of the episode was the preview for next week, when Gale says, "They'll never give you Walt," or something among those lines. It's pretty clear that Walt/Michael seem to be the big focus of season III, so this season could end with them seeing Walt. My hunch is, that Walt could be looked at as the leader of the others (they see him that way, but he doesn't see it yet). There's just something very intriguing about why Walt could be so important...

This show really needs a phantom edit.

Then why have a lockdown in the first place?

To keep strangers/invaders from accessing parts of the hatch while the two station crew are out getting the food?

Or, a different idea, is it possible the "living quarters" were actually cells to hold people in? If so a sort of prison lockdown while the two run out to get food would make a little sense.

I know this really has nothing to do with what you guys are talking about and it's nothing new in breaking down Hurley's story but I noticed that every time Dave appeared to him on the island was when he started caving in for food.

The first time was when he saw the abundance of food and no doubt, he was craving it after just having destroyed his stash.
The second time was when he stuffed his face with those fish crackers.
And the last time was when he was sucking on the peanut butter off the leaf.

Just some detail into his psyche I guess. That's all!

Is this the FIRST episode in which a theory about what might possibly be going on is presented?

i like that about it, although it'd be pretty dissapointing if it turned out it was all just part of someone's imagination/dream...somewhat of cop out.

Still it's the first episode in a long while I've almost fully enjoyed.

I liked this episode, more so than last week's. I don't get why they needed it to run 5 minutes over, but oh well. And having the show actually present that theory where Hurley is imagining the whole thing was pretty intriguing but I was reading on another message board where an interesting point was brought up - what if Libby is the key to the whole thing? What if it is actually all in someone's mind (to some degree, at least), but instead of Hurley's, it's Libby's? She is after all leading an ideal life of sorts, at least compared to how she was living before. She's the psychiatrist instead of the patient, she just literally convinced the guy she likes to not jump off a cliff, etc. A life that could only be achieved via fantasy? And it seemed like this episode was meant to debunk that theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if it pops up again later on.

And yeah I thought the opening scene was entirely bizarre. First Hurley & Libby are wasting all that food, tossing it around the jungle and then a swarm of people run by to the new parachute drop, and all the food that they just threw all over the place is gone? Or if it's not gone no one notices ranch dressing, peanut butter and potato chips covering everything in sight? It was either poor writing or it actually means something.

Libby probably knows about the numbers too eh? Though she might not know about them on the island yet, the fact that she was in the hospital will probably clue her in when she sees them.

It was a rather average episode, even though the first twist kind of surprised me.

Libby being in the same loony bin as Hurley, however, wasn't too surprising.

Has anyone noticed how retro the flashbacks are? You never see someone whip out a cell phone or log onto the internet or any other common modern things. The level of technology and general visible modernness in the flashbacks is around mid-80s. Look at that relic polaroid camera the doctor used for instance, but not just that one thing.

What about the cars? Anyone took a look at them? I didn't really focus on them, but maybe someone did?

It wouldn't shock me if she fed the numbers to Hurley's friend who then fed them to Hurley.

@Lecter, I haven't been paying much attention to cars either. Though if anyone has last week's episode, I recall there being some cars in that.

That friend of Hurley's, however, got the numbers from the guy he worked with in the army, the one who shot himself in Australia...