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Caius
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 Re: The Bourne Ultimatum It was easily the best Bourne movie and once my eyes got used to the mostly still camera during heavy dialog scenes, I was able to better enjoy the movie. I thought the ending with water presented a nice circle back to the first movie and was good for the water/rebirth thing.
I'm not really a fan of the Bourne character. He seems like a robot and I know that was how he was trained, but you one would think he might have grown a little in the three years since he left the CIA. Even Bond, who is also fairly static, at least has a personality. I think Bourne said perhaps 50 words in the movie and once I think I saw his expression change, but I could be wrong.
I would have liked more of a conclusion for Julia Stiles character, but thats a minor point. The movie was very intense and didn't drag except for part of the Morroco rooftop portion which was a bit overlong, but still enjoyable.
B+, mostly because I had low expectations for it and was used to the "semi-steady" camera scenes during dialog driven portions of the film.
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thompsoncory
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Truly fantastic. The best of the series, and easily one of the best of the year so far. This is a must-see.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum There's definitely some hyperbolic comments in this thread that are way overestimating the quality and complexity of the story arc in this trilogy, imho - - it's good enough, but it ain't no Shakespeare.
Albeit a different animal, I think Bourne coulda done with some more elements of the 60's classic TV series The Prisoner...
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Johnny Dollar
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum bradley accusing someone of hyperbole is like Joe Pesci accusing someone of being short, Italian and annoying.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum I think this is the best movie I have seen in about three years. TBU will make my top 25 films of all time. The action in this is about as frenetic as you can get. I hope they leave this alone as well. It is a perfect ending.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum yoshue wrote: bradley accusing someone of hyperbole is like Joe Pesci accusing someone of being short, Italian and annoying. Are you laughing at me? ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME!?! What am I a clown?  ( ...reaches for baseball bat from under forum...)
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Cotton
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum I don't know if this was intentional, but did you guys notice there were a lot of resemblences between Ultimatum and Supremecy in terms of the action sequences (the car chase, the fight scene between Bourne and the other spy, and Bourne stalking Landy from another building)? Also the Moby song at the end, but that's DEFINITELY a trademark in the series. hehe
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Cotton wrote: I don't know if this was intentional, but did you guys notice there were a lot of resemblences between Ultimatum and Supremecy in terms of the action sequences (the car chase, the fight scene between Bourne and the other spy, and Bourne stalking Landy from another building)? Also the Moby song at the end, but that's DEFINITELY a trademark in the series. hehe Well not only that but half of ultimatium in terms of time frame happened in the same time frame as in Supremecy.
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jmovies
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum A+
#4 of the year, best of trilogy
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Yeah, it is neat how they tied the ending from Supremacy, seemingly a harmless phone call at the time, to be a key situation in Ultimatum.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Cotton wrote: I don't know if this was intentional, but did you guys notice there were a lot of resemblences between Ultimatum and Supremecy in terms of the action sequences (the car chase, the fight scene between Bourne and the other spy, and Bourne stalking Landy from another building)? Also the Moby song at the end, but that's DEFINITELY a trademark in the series. hehe Are you kidding? That scene is not a resemblance of the scene at the end of Supremacy. It's the same one. The story in Ultimatum didn't pick up right after we left in 'Supremacy'. It starts before the ending scene in Supremacy. Smart written, don't you think? And I think the car chase sequence is also one of the series trademark.  _________________
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roo
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum xiayun wrote: Yeah, it is neat how they tied the ending from Supremacy, seemingly a harmless phone call at the time, to be a key situation in Ultimatum. I'd like to know if it was scripted that way or if it's a change that was made in 3. Greengrass had to have an idea of where he would take a 3rd movie if offered.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum I still feel as though Supremacy is the best of the trilogy, it just overall had more depth and substance to it i'd say. Action wise, Ultimatum has the most bang, but I felt that at times Ultimatum never found it's middle ground, it went far too many times from a slower paced dialogue driven story to wam bam action, that middle ground was very non-existent. Though it's not a huge complain, it just keeps it from being as well made and enjoyable to me as Supremacy. Either way, I never felt bored, if that ends up being the end of the Bourne series it sure went out on a high note.
Grade - A-/B+
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Dkmuto
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum JURiNG wrote: Cotton wrote: I don't know if this was intentional, but did you guys notice there were a lot of resemblences between Ultimatum and Supremecy in terms of the action sequences (the car chase, the fight scene between Bourne and the other spy, and Bourne stalking Landy from another building)? Also the Moby song at the end, but that's DEFINITELY a trademark in the series. hehe Are you kidding? That scene is not a resemblance of the scene at the end of Supremacy. It's the same one. The story in Ultimatum didn't pick up right after we left in 'Supremacy'. It starts before the ending scene in Supremacy. Smart written, don't you think? And I think the car chase sequence is also one of the series trademark. I barely remembered Supremacy before going into Ultimatum, so I didn't pick up on the scenes working in tandem there. Nifty. I liked the film a lot. I thought the action was incredible. The story, though, not going in unexpected places is what kept the film from greatness for me. andaroo wrote: The answer to the question above, if one put a gun to my head, is The Bourne Supremacy. And that allows The Bourne Ultimatum plays out like any great third part does. Jason Bourne while still hurting and angry has gone through the emotional turmoil of Supremacy in an effort to discover his true identity. The trick in Ultimatum is that it only matters on a surface level… Jason has already re-written his moral code, he has already moved beyond Jason Bourne by the time he learns the truth. I love The Bourne Supremacy because there are genuine moments of beauty and emotional impact, as Marie’s body floats down the stream, as Jason confronts the daughter of his first assassinated diplomat. The heart of the story is there.
The ending of Ultimatum is fairly predictable if you have watched the series up to Supremacy, as it should be. Ultimatum is about tying up loose ends. Which is why it’s one of the best “threequels†I’ve ever seen. What Paul Greengrass has done is drive this already 2 movie deep story to its logical conclusion, using bits and pieces laid down in previous films.
Having now seen Ultimatum, I agree that the heart of the story lies in Supremacy. Which is perhaps why Ultimatum, story-wise, felt anticlimactic for me. The story went exactly where I thought it would go -- and while that seemed to tie up loose ends for you, it left me hanging. And I have to begrudge the film, slightly, for this, despite the fact that the action did knock my socks off. I think a lot of films like to think they're putting the viewer right there into the action, but I say that this is one of the few that actually succeeds. I think the editing in this film might be worthy of an Oscar nomination. A very strong B+. Or maybe A-. Whatever.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Fair enough DK,
What would you have liked to see?
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Jim Halpert
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum A-. Ties up the series very well. I wish they would have gave Stiles a bit more to do. Not as good as supremecy but still probably just cracks my top 100 list.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Positive* Jon wrote: http://billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=21662" target="_blank Somebody please shoot that condescending moron.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum always interesting with Bill Reilly
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum I'm not sure if it's the best of the franchise (it's right up there with Supremacy), but it is definitely the best action movie of the year to this point. Once again, Matt Damon is excellent playing against type as the ass-kicking action hero, and the movie is a nonstop adrenaline rush. It's basically one big chase scene after another, with the story detailed between the chases. The plot element is as intriguing as can be, as it also ends up being the most damning attack against the CIA since Syriana. The action never fails to disappoint, once again superb under terrific cinematography and editing.
Grade: A- (#10 on my 2007 list to this point)
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum wow, as good as the first two were, this is easily the best of the franchise and the best spy thriller in years. right now, it just jumped ahead of zodiac as my favorite movie of the year.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum The best of the series, and that's saying something since I loved the first two.
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Positive* Jon wrote: http://billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=21662" target="_blank What a fucking idiot. 
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum Positive* Jon wrote: http://billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=21662" target="_blank He's right about the negative portrayal of the CIA. That is the one part of the movie that pissed the hell out of me. _________________ 
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Re: The Bourne Ultimatum A
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Trying to get ideas to write my thoughts on it. I think I'll have it soon.
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