Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
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Speevy
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I vouche for the F. Didn't think I would upset so many Potter loonies with the grade. I despised the movie. It felt lifeless, like it was going through the motions of the story without actually putting any heart into it. I really haven't been more bored in a movie in a while.
D-/F
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:10 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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TADDA! wrote: probably becayse loyal, who usually deletes the F has no interest in the film as yet and hasn't entered the thread.
i'll delete it.
I know we've had this discussion before, but if we're not allowed to vote "F", then they should just be removed from the polls.
(Or perhaps, for the chosen movies there could just be a single option to vote "A"...)
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:18 pm |
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Chippy
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Speevy wrote: I vouche for the F. Didn't think I would upset so many Potter loonies with the grade. I despised the movie. It felt lifeless, like it was going through the motions of the story without actually putting any heart into it. I really haven't been more bored in a movie in a while.
D-/F

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Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:19 pm |
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bABA
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bradley witherberry wrote: TADDA! wrote: probably becayse loyal, who usually deletes the F has no interest in the film as yet and hasn't entered the thread.
i'll delete it. I know we've had this discussion before, but if we're not allowed to vote "F", then they should just be removed from the polls. (Or perhaps, for the chosen movies there could just be a single option to vote "A"...)
you're allowed to post Fs or As
Its just that any film that is seeing a unanimous decision like As or Fs and then suddenly, an isolated F or an A shows up ... that requires someone to own up to it. otherwise, there is a good chance someone is just spamming.
so vote F if you think a film is F. just leave a reason then.
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:22 pm |
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Speevy
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I just want to add that I enjoyed the last two entries in the series. I get the feeling that my feelings towards this movie may be due to the buzz that Transformers created in my head. After how much fun I had in that movie, I really did feel incredibly bored in this movie. Felt like I was watching another Bollywood movie. But I'll check out the movie again this weekend for a possible reassessment.
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:24 pm |
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Jim Halpert
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Just saw the film and felt it was about on par with POA but below GOF. There were a few things i did not like. I hated the music. I dunno what it was but it just bothered the hell out of me. I wasnt a huge fan of yates directing style but i got used to it rather quickly. I felt they should have extended the film 20 minutes and just got rid of those stupid news paper cuts. I also disliked some of the cheesiness of the film, didnt really fit with the film they were trying to make. I was fine with cho telling on the order but bothered that it was just thrown out she was drugged with veritserum to tell on them. It seems like if you were caught telling the first thing you would do is tell ur friends you were drugged, you wouldnt just kind of give up. Should have made her go to umbridge after getting jealous of harry and hermione or something similar to that.
There were many things i did like. The humor worked really well, the acting by the main 3 was very well done. I think Radcliff has matured the most and probably is the best out of the 3 with Emma being the weakest. She tends to talk with her eyebrows too much. The supporting cast is fantastic and Stanton or whatever her name was really brought Umbridge alive. I really liked the dark overtones of the film and thought that overall it stayed pretty faithful to the book. One thing i really liked was whenever anyone talked about harry and cho you could see ginny react and i thought was a great set up to book 6. The final battle was very well done and really showed the difference between voldemort and harry.
A-.
I'd rank the films like this
1. GOF - A-
2. OOTP - A-
2. POA - A-
4. PS/SS - B+
5. COS - B+
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:20 pm |
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Jonathan
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BTW, was Guybrush's F ever added back to 300?
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:12 am |
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nghtvsn
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HARRY POTTER 5
After watching Harry Potter I did come away from it entertained and looking forward to the next film. It certainly had good and awesome moments but it also felt like the film was rushed from start to end. Right from the beginning Harry gets into trouble and the ministry his story and they try to expel him which doesn't work and off to Hogwart's we go. Then it's a series of set pieces involving Umbridge and her strong arm tactics on the students and Harry's little group learning defensive magic all while the side stories with voldemorte and sirius and harry's GF take place. All this eventually leads to a very well done and visually appealing final battle with some nice wizard spells on display.
We don't get much from Ron or Hermione in this film which is disappointing. I'd like to hear more dialogue out of those character's especially Ron. And how the blonde follower of Voldemorte can still walk around in public is beyond me since Harry knows he's one of Voldemortes followers but that cat is out of the bag by the end of this one. Too bad Umbridge character was sacked I actually liked her character. I didn't get the point of learning about Hagrid's brother or if he even needed one but hey it's in the book. One thing that was unexplained was how the other kids were riding those bird like horses if they coudln't see them.
In the next film I'd like to the see the story go at a slower pace or be more selective on what stories to actually put to screen because this one just felt crammed with a lot of different things going on at the same time. Overall, I enjoyed it but it did feel rushed.
Grade - B
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:44 am |
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zingy
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It's the first Potter I saw that wasn't better than the last, but still pretty good.
B
Rankings:
1. Goblet of Fire - B+
2. Prisoner of Azkaban - B+
3. Order of the Phoenix - B
4. Chamber of Secrets - B
5. Sorcerer's Stone - C+
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:24 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
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nghtvsn wrote: HARRY POTTER 5
After watching Harry Potter I did come away from it entertained and looking forward to the next film. It certainly had good and awesome moments but it also felt like the film was rushed from start to end. Right from the beginning Harry gets into trouble and the ministry his story and they try to expel him which doesn't work and off to Hogwart's we go. Then it's a series of set pieces involving Umbridge and her strong arm tactics on the students and Harry's little group learning defensive magic all while the side stories with voldemorte and sirius and harry's GF take place. All this eventually leads to a very well done and visually appealing final battle with some nice wizard spells on display.
We don't get much from Ron or Hermione in this film which is disappointing. I'd like to hear more dialogue out of those character's especially Ron. 1. And how the blonde follower of Voldemorte can still walk around in public is beyond me since Harry knows he's one of Voldemortes followers but that cat is out of the bag by the end of this one. Too bad Umbridge character was sacked I actually liked her character. 2. I didn't get the point of learning about Hagrid's brother or if he even needed one but hey it's in the book. One thing that was unexplained was how the other kids were riding those bird like horses if they coudln't see them.
In the next film I'd like to the see the story go at a slower pace or be more selective on what stories to actually put to screen because this one just felt crammed with a lot of different things going on at the same time. Overall, I enjoyed it but it did feel rushed.
Grade - B
1. He works AT the ministry itself (and is a favorite of the Minister, Fudge.), and since they don't believe Harry or Dumbledore about anything, he is free to do whatever he wants without investigation really.
2. I was for sure this would get cut. I think they only had it because his brother will play some important role in the final book/movie.
3. They can't see them, but they are just invisible to them. They can still touch them.
I havent seen the movie yet dammit, but that is the explanations from the book(s).
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:38 pm |
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Gulli
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The search for a decent summer blockbuster goes on.
Note to Producers, If you want to go dark don't employ quite possibly the worst lead actor I've seen in years, it was bloody excruciating.
C-
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:04 pm |
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Groucho
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B. Not as good as the last two. Some things were great, but it felt rushed (it is the shortest Potter film yet) and the pacing, especially at the end battle, was quite a bit off.
Another 10 minutes of character development spread through the film would have helped a lot. More evidence of the teachers helping with the Weasley's destruction of the school, and the whole arresting McGonigle and Hagrid bits were so dramatic and were really missing.
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:59 pm |
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Shack
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C+
Another year, another Potter film that is watchable but ultimately forgettable in the long run. As I expected the film to be, no more or less. I'm beginning to feel I'm not really a fan of the Potter film franchise, excluding Azkaban they're always neither good or bad, just... there. I'm always looking for more emotional pull, better acting, better CGI, better writing, a more epic feel, better battles, etc.
P.S. Am I the only one who hates the green tint of the air in the last two films? Where's the effing blue sky?
I kind of dislike the lack of any joy at all in the previous two films. First two, too silly. Last two, too "trying to be dark but failing miserably". Azkaban stands as the best and the only film that can stand on its own.
Philosopher - B-/C+
Chamber - B+
Azkaban - A-
Goblet - C-
Phoenix - C+
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:59 pm |
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Groucho
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B. Not as good as the last two. Some things were great, but it felt rushed (it is the shortest Potter film yet) and the pacing, especially at the end battle, was quite a bit off.
Another 10 minutes of character development spread through the film would have helped a lot. More evidence of the teachers helping with the Weasley's destruction of the school, and the whole arresting McGonigle and Hagrid bits were so dramatic and were really missing.
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:00 pm |
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Gulli
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ADDAT! wrote: Gullimont wrote: The search for a decent summer blockbuster goes on. Note to Producers, If you want to go dark don't employ quite possibly the worst lead actor I've seen in years, it was bloody excruciating. C-http://www.worldofkj.com/articleIndex.php?tid=30587Im seeing it tomorrow evening. 
Try and note how many times the heavy breathing and furrowed brow occurs. 
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:21 pm |
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trixster
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My biggest complaint is that it felt too rushed. It did a great job of keeping everything that was needed and getting rid of all the excess, but I felt it needed time to slow down and breathe. This is especially noticeable at the end - the final battle is so well-done and so exciting that I wished it could have been longer. Sirius' death was also botched because it was too quick; there was no real emotional impact. The music is basically a non-factor - I noticed its absence more than its presence, especially because some scenes could have really used it in the background. And, as always, a lot of the characters get the shaft, but I've come to expect that.
All in all though, I was satisfied. The director was the thing I was most worried about going in, and it turned out to be one of the highlights. Yates is certainly no Cuaron, but he's right there alongside Newell in continuing the style that Azkaban started. The cinematography is simply astounding at times. The effects are truly amazing, especially Grawp (which was actually one of the few things I thought could have been cut). The final battle, as mentioned, was amazing, as everything combined to make a truly intense sequence. The Dumbledore/Voldemort fight was even moreso, as it simply lived up to the hype. The montages of Umbridge and the DA were very entertaining, and the news clippings were an inspired choice. It certainly had enough style.
The acting was impressive; the main trio was suitable, and the adults were all - as to be expected - fantastic. Oldman was as good as always, Fiennes was sufficiently evil, Carter was a perfect fit, Staunton was just as perfect, I could go on and on. The girl who played Luna was spot-on, and could have been the highlight of the cast, though. However, the girl playing Ginny was pretty weak; I'm not sure how they're gonna pull that off in the next film. Lupin was terribly underused, though (as it is in the books after Azkaban) and I wanted to see more Snape, McGonagall, Hagrid, but that's the way things go. On the whole, though, the entire ensemble was terrific.
As I said, though, my biggest problem was the pacing and, to a lesser extent, the story. I hope there's an extended edition, because there's a lot of scenes I thought could have been kept in, most noticeably the Hagrid sacking scene and the Christmas hospital scene. I'll cross my fingers for it, but I'm not expecting much.
It's a notch below PoA and GoF, but it's still up there with them. An extra half an hour or so would have done wonders, methinks. Still, though, it's incredibly intense and a suitable novel adaptation.
1. Azkaban 2. Goblet 3. Phoenix 4. Chamber 5. Stone
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:49 am |
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Mr. Reynolds
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I absolutely LOVED this movie! It's the first movie this summer that I want to see again. Gone are the kiddie flicks. This was a real movie. Having never read the books, I was like shocked at everything that happened. I'm tired so maybe I'll write more later. Briefly, loved the look of the movie, the tone, the acting, the writing, the action, the plot. Everything was just brilliant! If there's a flaw is that it wasn't long enough. A+
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:00 am |
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Diesel
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MadGez wrote: Any one see HP5 on IMAX 3-D? Was it worth it?
I did see Harry tonight on IMAX and it was amazing. The last 20 minutes were in 3-D and I've never experienced anything like this. I highly recommend it.
The movie on the other hand was lifeless until the very end. It seemed to be a jumbled mess of everything.
B
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:17 am |
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Cotton
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I think the main problem with these movies is that, as a seven part series, there's really no resolution at the end. It's like the same formula repeated over and over...
It was fun to watch though.
B
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:30 am |
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_axiom
The Wall
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A+
I loved the movie. The best HP movie yet. A lot of things got cut, which is a shame, but still the movie worked great.
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:25 am |
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xXVincentxX
La Bella Vito
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I loved this movie so much! It's amazing how the movies get better and better with each passing one. I thought the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort was really amazing, and one of my favorite parts. Also, that one line "Dumbledore has style", had me laughing so hard! The story was interesting, and I thought it was great. Professor Umbridge was by far my favorite. She did a splendid job playing a cruel and condescending bitch. I hated her character, but I thought she was a brilliant actress who handled the role brilliantly. Everything leading up the the conclusion was brilliant. I can't wait to see the next one!
A
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:35 am |
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Artie the One-Man Party
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I just wish they'd flesh out the characters of Snape and Dumbledore a little more so there'd be more emotional attachment to both when film #6 comes out...For example, I think Dumbledore comes off as a little too rough-edged in the films, and his relationship with Harry doesn't seem nearly as close as it does in the books. And Snape hasn't quite done enough to all of a sudden be thrown to the forefront of things in the next movie.
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:51 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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4's a bit lifeless; 5 isn't. That's why I rate HP5 a little higher (though I grade both at B+)
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:53 pm |
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Thegun
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I think the only reason its not as high as the last two for me, but still a solid A is the fact that their simply just isnt as enough going on, and it didnt seem as epic as the last two.
I mean, 3 and 4 were just so perfectly told, they took their time, (Many beautiful shots of Hogwarts in general) this time there was simply the main story, and one subplot of the kids taking charge.
4 was so well told in its set up, and had a strong subplot of the fight between Ron and Harry before the tournament even started, the three events, then there was the dance, and of course the return of Voldemort. And they were handled very well.
The thid had Sirius, Harry dealing with the dementors, Hagrid and Buckbeat, not to mention the final act was amazing.
This time what was on screen was great, but it looked like there were some subplots that werent addressed.
For Example:
Sirius and Lestrange were related, and she killed him quite effortlessly, just seemed to go over it. Why were they thrown apart, other than Voldemort; and Sirius death was really just not felt in my opinion like Digory's. I liked the direction in parts, but I really think Yates needs to learn how to mold the stories better, or then again maybe it was the writer, the one difference is that Kloves didnt return, and perhaps the new writer didnt adapt it as well.
But I was still enthalled and the series hasn't let me down yet, and even amazed me at times.
SS- A-
COS A
POA- A+
GOF- A+
OOTP- A (Id rank it above COS though)
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:34 pm |
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Mannyisthebest
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GOF was easily the more fun, enjoyable and funny one.
Hp5 is getting on to a more darker, complex story and thats good for the series.
The problem is Yates focuses on pointless things to long but almost skips over the very important stuff.
If you blinked you could have missed serius dieing.
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