I really didn't like the emo stuff because it didn't jive with me. He's got the emo hair, but he's acting very non-emolike. And that whole subplot was utterly ridiculous. Not even entertaining.

what the hell is emo

people who wear black and think the world hates them but they actually have a good life and should shut the fuck up

I didn't think it was overly problemetic either, just quite out of place.

The whole 'struttin down the street like Travolta' bit could have been cut, though the audience I was with laughed a lot during that bit.

My main problem at the moment is why Brock would pray to God to kill Parker. He knew he had it coming. Why wish death to someone that humilates you? It's not the end of the world you know...

The praying was just so fucked up.

I actually liked Spider-Man 3. I thought the villians didn't get enough screen time, but the acting was good all around. They should have focused this film on Venom and Harry and left Sandman out of it. I thought Peter Parker's dancing was odd. Gwen Stacy was underused. This wasn't Spider-Man 2 quailty (my favorite comic book/superhero film of all time), but it was still a good, enjoyable film. A-

They should only do a fourth film if they can get the whole cast and crew back or else it will not work. I suggest if they do a fourth film they bring back Venom or have Carnage as the villian (and just have one villian).

I really don't know why they would need to explain what a demoleculizing machine is. They already showed it well on screen and the name of it gives the idea of it away.



I thought the writers set this part up very well and used it to get one of their messeges across about how a person should not be arrogant. Peter Parker was on top of the world, he finally had the girl of his dreams, everyone adored Spiderman, he was getting the key to city. Spider-man can't do any wrong at point. Ever felt like that? I sure as hell have. And from a personal standpoint I know how much destruction can happen from my arrogance. Same thing happens to Peter. His arrogance leads him to believe this kiss won't do any wrong, because hell he can't do any wrong. The very first words of the movie even said that.



Directors make mistakes all the time. They made a mistake here and they got trashed for their decision. So they decided to fix it.



Yeah, because Sandman and Venom interfere with their own plan. If they hadn't Harry would have finished his own plan.



The whole butler thing was probably a little weak. You're right.



That kind of stuff happens in real relationships all the time although not to that extent.



That's Venom's weakness in the comics.



Raimi could have done that possibly but I had no problem with Harry suddenly attacking.



For the villans, I saw what Raimi was trying to do with them. It was a big difference from SM1 and 2 and a huge difference from any other super hero movie for that matter. The villains, except for harry, were just narrative support for peter's character. Like sandman wasn't suppose to stand on his own, he was only there to see if Spider-Man would be self serving and seek revenge at all costs, or if he'd be able to sympathize even when all his emotions seemed against it. Venom/Eddie Brock was a one-dimensional antithesis of Peter Parker. Eddie Brock/Venom was what Peter was becoming, Sandman was what Peter was going to be.

This movie afterall was not about Spiderman vs Doc Ock or Spiderman vs Green Goblin but a story of Peter Parker and his relationships. It was a very different tone from the first two movies, and the more I think about it the more I like the movie.

The whole thing with the butler was ridiculous. He tells Harry now after all this revenge plotting and loss of half a face?

Did the big Sandman in the final battle remind anyone else of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man?

Kinda. More like Godzilla though.

How did Sandman go from human-sized to building-sized? Where did all the extra sand come from?

I know this is nit-picking, but all of these things really bugged me during the movie. This isn't a movie that you can check your brain at the door. It tried to be something more and it failed horribly.

I would give the movie a B. I think the biggest problem with the film is there is one too many villains. They should have either got rid of Sandman or saved Venom for the next sequel. I think they just tried to get too much into the movie. I did like the Harry part of the film. And his death was sad although, I liked how he redeemed himself. He sure got a better death than he did in the comic books.

Well blame the comics there. In the comic I have seen sandman that huge. I didn't have a problem with that because he has gotten that size before.

Can someone tell me WTF happenned here? I loved the first two movies and still think the first Spidy is the best comic-book movie, but this was absolutely awful. I couldn't have left the theater anymore dissapointed than I am right now. It's like they threw this mess together at the last minute and hopes the audience will like it. While it may break the box office record this weekend, the word will get to avoid this dreadful overdrawn out movie. This felt like a made for TV movie on the Lifetime channel for women with all the drame queens and romantic subplot love triangles. This is summer. I want to be entertained. At least the butler provided some much needed enterainment. I think future movies should note this down and whenever the writers are thinking of a way to reveal some big mystery for a main character, just throw in a butler!

D

I actually thought the Sandman was the best part of the film. Both F/X wise, and story wise. Story wise if they developed it more, by keeping the Venom part out of the film. Maybe a cliffhanger leading to Venom being the prime villian in 4? I think that would have been best.

Yes, the butler telling Harry that Spider-Man (Peter), did not kill his dad was totally random, and thrown in to get Harry to fogive Peter pretty much. Lack of creativity, once again. Random, and ridiculous explanations like that happened too many times.

Same for me. I thought Franco gave the least effective performance of all the villans, but his character worked in a few ways. They could have done more with Sandman and saved Venom for another movie. I also thought it could have done without Gwen Stacey(although I will admit Howard looked the best she's ever looked in any movie here). They could have had either the landlords daughter or even Betty Brandt take her place.

P.S. Does anyone else think the J.K. Simmons as Jameson is the best casting idea that ever could have happened to this franchise? All of his scenes are comedic gold(the audience lost it during the medication scene, the end battle where he tried to get the camera from the girl, and when he told he Peter "I didn't hire you for this position").

Emo dancing Peter was actually one of my favorite sequences in the film, next to Sandman's birth and the church scene probably. It was so out there and entertaining that it lightened up the entire feature. When I was watching that I was thinking the hey this movie isn't so bad after all. Then came the rest...

There's just too much to nitpick over in here, I keep thinking of worse stuff every minute. Like... Sandman. His motivations were horribly screwed up and ass backwards. First, dieing daughter, he robs stuff to get money. His character's message is that he's not a bad person, he's just forced to do bad things to save her, ok, got it. Then he teams up with Venom, beats the shit out of a city while Venom ties up an innocent girl in an attempt to kill Peter, then he goes nuts and smashes Peter repeatingly until he is stopped, he's now out of nowhere on an evil mean streak. Brock dies, he goes up to Peter, says he's sorry and that he never wanted to be a bad person... and Peter forgives him and let's an evil villain just walk away. Just completley fucked inconsistencies with each character, Peter shouldn't have let him go, Sandman shouldn't have had such an evil streak teaming up with Venom if he's quote on quote "not a bad person".

Oh, and why didn't Peter use his reflexes and webbing to stop Brock from jumping into the bomb? It's like he was too distracted or something, come on.

Yep :-D Jameson was as good as ever, thankfully. His scenes were the ones the majority of the audienced laughed at the most, or actually, showed any reactions. Tho it was a small audience. I especially liked when he bought the camera off the little girl, that had no film, lol.

Oh yea, and the unintentional laugh...I think it was unintentional. When Harry wass clotheslined by Spider-Man's web and nearly died. That got alot of laughs.

My crowd burst into laughter at Harry's final speech and the American Flag, among other moments

Didn't get any unintentional laughter, but I did get to hear a baby cry close by like once every five minutes until the mother finally removed the child from the theater. Man, I wish parents would stop doing that......

you know, guys, I'm reading up on the comic book stories of Venom and Sandman and they're not that off from the movie. So I'm kinda thinking of giving Raimi a little slack. While still a mess of a movie, the story lines themselves do come from th comics.

A little bit from wikipedia about Sandman:



i think if we read up on the comics, the movie may make more sense.

you shouldnt have to read the comics to understand the films. That's what makes a good film.

i hear ya. there wasn't much of character development in this movie. the action scenes were underwhelming. so it was a mediocre movie to say the least. But I guess my point is that the storylines themselves cannot be critized too much. Editing, CGI, screenplay, etc - yes. But Sandman being a bit of a wuzz and Venom's weakness being sound, not so much.

My crowd laughed when Harry got closelined, during the news reporter stuff, and when Tobey started crying at the end. It's always fun seeing a movie like this with a full crowd at midnight.

i blaim a piss poor script. I like the idea of sandman being sympathic but there was nothing to show why besides a girl we saw for about 2 minutes. As for Venom, before the spider-man films even started that was the only villain i've ever heard of so fuckin him up pissed me off.

Is it me or is Marvel becoming the DC Comics of the 2000's? Let's look at the examples:

Blade:
1 <2>>> 3

X-Men:
1 <<2>>> 3

Spider-Man:
1 <<2>>> 3

Anyone else see a pattern?

Gee?? A negative review with a good grade like a "B"..