You left this one out: "I never said going to war was the right thing." --Chipmunky.

So was it the right thing or not? If not, then I guess you're PRO-Saddam. And if so, then the person who you were disagreeing with was right all along about you. Which is it?

I won't know if it was right until it's over

No, having no brains is what makes you stupid. Saying that anyone who opposes this war is pro-Saddam and should shut the hell up is what makes you stupid.



You're choosing to be wrong AND an asshole instead of right and an asshole. Frankly, I'd rather be the latter.

It seems to me like you should know right now if you're pro-Saddam or not, as clearly you look on it as a bad thing. Are you saying you COULD be pro-Saddam? How would this war have to end for that to be the case?

I never even fucking said that.

I'm done with you and your fucking stupid thoughts about everything. You're a stuck up son of a bitch and deserve nothing less than a beating.

You're one of those guys that thinks that they know everything there is to know about anything and won't be told that you are wrong.

Nobody will ever get through to you and you don't even deserve people to try.

Go away.

Dude, you're acting like no one can actually read what you've already posted. It's all right there in black and white.



My, my, my. Violent, stupid, AND a hypocrite. In other words, a perfect Republican crony.

No one likes Saddam, Chipmonkey.. It's just, since his death/capture, nothing has changed...you gotta think, "Hey, it certainly doesn't look like anyone (them, or us), is better off now...maybe it wasnt so bad when he was in charge."

Beeble, who are you leaning towards in the Democratic primaries?

I'm leaning Rommney so far because he has been in business and seems to be a bit of a change of pace. Doubt he wins the nomination, but i'm not blown away by any of the canidates on the GOP side. Still, I will vote for one of them no matter what when the election comes in 08.

Obama



Romney is a religious kook sellout who's flipped every progressive position he's had in order to appease the Republican religious whacko base. He's now anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-science, pro-torture, pro-big government, pro-war. In other words, he's just like Bush and every other Republican candidate but one.

What exactly is a "change of pace" about him?

Giuliani would be the true change of pace. If he's the nominee, I'll probably vote for him. Unless Obama is the Dem nominee. Then I'll have to think about it.



No shit.

Finally... some common sense!

The US killing off of Saddam Hussein, who had been one of their most loyal employees, with a 40+ year record of service to America, will go down as one of the stupidest foreign policy decisions of the past century. They had a great gig going, kinda like pro wrestling -- Hussein would sometimes act the role of the villain and then switch to the role of the ally. It served everyone's interests very well, including the people of Iraq, who have been killed off and tortured in far greater numbers since the US invaded, than in all the years Hussein was leading. Iraq was/is a country that needs a strong leader to keep it united. Notice how all the US news clips of Iraq show it looking like a dusty backcountry desert country, whereas it was one of the leading countries in the region in sophisticated urban development with modern architecture, beautiful parks, top grade universities attended by record percentages of women, including in engineering and the sciences... Now, however, with much of the infrastructure destroyed, it is actually is starting to resemble the sh!thole the US public had imagined it to be.

BauerPower is absolutely right, this is the all-time biggest blunder for America ever. I can't see the upside to it, unless of course it's part of a brilliant secret plan by America's enemies to taunt them into self-destruction...

Here's Obama yesterday from Austin, Texas about the British withdrawal from Iraq. This rocks.

"Now if Tony Blair can understand that, than why can't George Bush and Dick Cheney understand that? In fact, Dick Cheney said this is all part of the plan (and) it was a good thing that Tony Blair was withdrawing, even as the administration is preparing to put 20,000 more of our young men and women in.

Now, keep in mind, this is the same guy that said we'd be greeted as liberators, the same guy that said that we're in the last throes. I'm sure he forecast sun today. When Dick Cheney says it's a good thing, you know that you've probably got some big problems."

Look how few words it takes to point out so effectively what a hypocrite and liar Dick Cheney is.

I think the upcoming election will be one of the most dynamic since the 1992 election.

I see there is a lot of Obama hype here. It'll be nice if he's the Dem nominee because it will only ensure the victory for the Repubs. Oh and I especially love how the media just oozes at the chance to compare him in every which way to RFK and Lincoln and how he is invigorating the young people and brings a new light to the presidential race. No no, I see through this attempt to shove a loosely experienced politician into the minds of average americans just trying to will him to the presidency. It's not gonna happen. If we look at the dems right now I'd put Hilary and Richardson as the likely pres/vp nods atm. They both have positive experience and richardson would be a good vp candidate considering he's a gov and has a detailed political background unlike the swiss chess version of barrack who would add nothing to hilary's chances of winning.

As for the republicans of which I'll be voting right now no one impresses me. Guiliani and McCain are both hacks and untrustworthy to me. I don't agree with Guiliani's stances on abortion, gun control and gay marriage. In addition, this man was just a mayor who happened to be in the city where the worst terrorist event took place. Oh my word, he's so freaking qualified! Oh please. McCain is also wishy washy on many issues and even though he's playing up the conservative wing atm his authoring of the McCain Feingold bill will haunt him throughout the primaries. Plus, anyone who authors a bill with Feingold needs to be examined. The only two people I would really like to see are Newt Gingrich (sparingly) and Huckabee who impressed me in one solid interview where he actually gave his opinions on subjects and didn't conjecture and dance like Obama and company.

If only we could have another 8 years of Dubya...

Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over' - January 17, 2001

Seriously. For ANY Bush supporter to get all critical about this or that candidate's experience or qualifications is ridiculous. People like nghtvsn have absolutely ZERO credibility on any legitimate criticism of the candidates, let alone prognostications about who will win. Certainly anyone is entitled to an opinion, but you'd think that people who are so spectacularly wrong so often about everything would be a bit more chastened and humbled going into another election.

As opposed, of course, to GWB's vast experience he had before getting elected.

And that Lincoln guy! Why, he was only in Washington for two years before becoming President! And Kennedy, too!

Hey, I know, let's just nominate the oldest guy in the Senate, because experience is apparently more important than leadership or intelligence. Strom Thurmond would have been our President for a while, wouldn't that have been great!

Nah, Obama has charisma and leadership qualities that may overshadow "experience". I know lawyers straight out of law school, for instance, who are 100 times better than some of the more experienced ones out there.

Like I said, for them to have ANY criticism of a Dem candidate after voting for Bush TWICE is utterly preposterous. Dems could nominate a one-legged headless chicken and it would be more qualified than Bush was. It certainly couldn't accomplish any more damage than he did.

I'm uninterested in having 8 more years of Bush and I'm not looking forward to a possible Jeb Bush run either. I do like Bush's attempt to fight the war on terror which Al Gore would have done as well if he had been president. I want a president who recognizes the threat we are facing today rather than think that negotiating with a terrorist or terror group is going to resolve this. I don't think Hilary nor Obama recognize that threat nor have ideas on how to combat it.

I think any President would have foght the war on terror, by going after bin Laden and attacking Afghanistan and so on. Really, no one is against that.

Fighting Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terror, though.

And what, pray tell, in your fevered brain leads you to believe that Obama and Hillary do not recognize the threat from terrorists and only want to negotiate with them (although negotiating with someone they don't recognize seems like kind of weird thing to do, eh)?

Because when I say that Guiliani supports the escalation, it's because he said so himself. And when I point out that Romney has completely flip-flopped every progressive position he's had in order to appeal to the whacko religious nuts that control the Republican party, I can point you to statements of his that prove it.

What do you have, other than empty rhetoric?

Here's Obama back in 2002, outclassing every single "experienced" Republican at the time and many Democrats.

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/sXzmXy226po" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed>

Beeble, you've got a full blown crush.

That may or may not be true, only Brox knows in his heart, but that Obama guy was sure talkin' sensible in that video clip -- which if nothing else disproves some of the talk around here that before the Iraq invasion, no one knew that things would turn bad...

Bush's lack of experience was filled in by those experts with years of "experience:" Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Along with Wolfowitz, Rice, and other assorted cronies.

Paragons of peace, all of them.

At this point, a single smile from Obama can disarm more bombs than the entire Pentagon.

Anyone who thought that should be shot. I mean common, the plan was to practically overthrow the government overnight and they expected a smooth transition...